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Bill McDowell

(K) 4.22 available now

Nobody has mentioned it yet, but firmware version 4.22 is now available as a regular release.

Bill, K4CIA
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John Ragle

K3 and Docs in general...

Just a suggestion (and maybe there is an easy way to accomplish this,
but I don't know it):

Make the *.pdf documentation file directly editable (local version
only!). (I have the full Acrobat Professional, and it will not allow
editing if the K3 file.)

My K3 file is gussied up with "sticky notes," which I hate. I would much
rather be able to add directly to the text (or incorporate errata
directly to the file). Some *.pdf files are "unlocked," but others do
not permit direct editing; the K3 file is one of the latter kind.

I would be glad to learn how to remove the write-protection on my local
file copy of the user manual. Someone suggested writing comments in the
margins of a printed copy. This seems a bit old-fashioned and difficult
to update, but it would accomplish much the same thing.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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John_N1JM

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

In reply to this post by Bill McDowell

I assume because the numbers are the same, this production release is identical to the beta.

John N1JM

Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO

Re: K3 and Docs in general...

In reply to this post by John Ragle

PDF is not intended to be an editable format. It is intended to be a
distribution format. While extremely minor tweaks can be made in a PDF as a
last-minute fix, there is no "secret unlock key" that turns Acrobat into a
word processor. It just isn't that kind of animal, was never intended to be,
and never will be.

The K3 manual was apparently written in Microsoft Word (which, as a tech
writer, I dislike quite intensely, much preferring Adobe FrameMaker). To
edit the document, you would need the Microsoft Word (and additional
illustration/photo) source files.

Bill W5WVO

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ragle
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 02:23
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Docs in general...

Just a suggestion (and maybe there is an easy way to accomplish this,
but I don't know it):

Make the *.pdf documentation file directly editable (local version
only!). (I have the full Acrobat Professional, and it will not allow
editing if the K3 file.)

My K3 file is gussied up with "sticky notes," which I hate. I would much
rather be able to add directly to the text (or incorporate errata
directly to the file). Some *.pdf files are "unlocked," but others do
not permit direct editing; the K3 file is one of the latter kind.

I would be glad to learn how to remove the write-protection on my local
file copy of the user manual. Someone suggested writing comments in the
margins of a printed copy. This seems a bit old-fashioned and difficult
to update, but it would accomplish much the same thing.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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kevinr@coho.net

Re: K3 and Docs in general...

I agree with you on the use of pdf for distributing files. The format
allows one to lock the document so it can look the same across platforms
and operating systems. I also intensely dislike MS Word for technical
writing. You have to fight it every step of the way. I use FrameMaker
and LaTex to craft professional documents which can format every part of
the finished document in exquisite detail. MS Word makes it a struggle.
Once I have the finished LaTex file I can easily transform it as HTML or a
.doc or as a .pdf file simultaneously. LaTex is required for IEEE and
other professional publications. I learned how to use it while crafting
papers in grad school.
Kevin. KD5ONS

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 05:54:32 -0800, Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> PDF is not intended to be an editable format. It is intended to be a
> distribution format. While extremely minor tweaks can be made in a PDF
> as a
> last-minute fix, there is no "secret unlock key" that turns Acrobat into
> a
> word processor. It just isn't that kind of animal, was never intended to
> be,
> and never will be.
>
> The K3 manual was apparently written in Microsoft Word (which, as a tech
> writer, I dislike quite intensely, much preferring Adobe FrameMaker). To
> edit the document, you would need the Microsoft Word (and additional
> illustration/photo) source files.
>
> Bill W5WVO
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ragle
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 02:23
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Docs in general...
>
> Just a suggestion (and maybe there is an easy way to accomplish this,
> but I don't know it):
>
> Make the *.pdf documentation file directly editable (local version
> only!). (I have the full Acrobat Professional, and it will not allow
> editing if the K3 file.)
>
>
>
> My K3 file is gussied up with "sticky notes," which I hate. I would much
> rather be able to add directly to the text (or incorporate errata
> directly to the file). Some *.pdf files are "unlocked," but others do
> not permit direct editing; the K3 file is one of the latter kind.
>
> I would be glad to learn how to remove the write-protection on my local
> file copy of the user manual. Someone suggested writing comments in the
> margins of a printed copy. This seems a bit old-fashioned and difficult
> to update, but it would accomplish much the same thing.
>
> John Ragle -- W1ZI
>
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N3XX

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

In reply to this post by Bill McDowell

I have been running the beta 4.22 version, first time I ever loaded a beta
version on my K3. So now that the regular release is available, do I need
to load it instead, or is it the same thing as the beta version?
Thanks for any information.

73,
Tim - N3XX

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From: "Bill McDowell" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] (K) 4.22 available now

> Nobody has mentioned it yet, but firmware version 4.22 is now available as
> a regular release.
>
> Bill, K4CIA
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

Tim,

It is the same - if it were different, the numbers would have changed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/8/2010 10:58 AM, N3XX wrote:
> I have been running the beta 4.22 version, first time I ever loaded a beta
> version on my K3. So now that the regular release is available, do I need
> to load it instead, or is it the same thing as the beta version?
> Thanks for any information.
>
> 73,
> Tim - N3XX
>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 and Docs in general... [END of Thread]

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In reply to this post by kevinr@coho.net

Guys -Thanks for all the input on this. We have a lot of good
suggestions to sort through.

Let's end this thread (and any others that are related to it) for now in
the interest of reducing list traffic. Ithas certainly hit the limit for
postings in a short time period. :-)

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> I agree with you on the use of pdf for distributing files. The format
> allows one to lock the document so it can look the same across platforms
> and operating systems. I also intensely dislike MS Word for technical
> writing. You have to fight it every step of the way. I use FrameMaker
> and LaTex to craft professional documents which can format every part of
> the finished document in exquisite detail. MS Word makes it a struggle.
> Once I have the finished LaTex file I can easily transform it as HTML or a
> .doc or as a .pdf file simultaneously. LaTex is required for IEEE and
> other professional publications. I learned how to use it while crafting
> papers in grad school.
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

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In reply to this post by John_N1JM

Absolutely :-)
73, Eric WA6HHQ

> I assume because the numbers are the same, this production release is
> identical to the beta.
>
> John N1JM

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Bruce Meier-2

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

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I thought an update was to be released this week that would, at a minimum,
fix the issue with RX drop out that occurs during T/R when Notch is engaged.

Did I miss something?

Bruce - N1LN
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Nate Bargmann

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

* On 2010 08 Dec 17:24 -0600, Bruce Meier wrote:
> I thought an update was to be released this week that would, at a minimum,
> fix the issue with RX drop out that occurs during T/R when Notch is engaged.
>
> Did I miss something?

I don't think so, Bruce. I was puzzled yesterday that 4.22 is now
stable with DSP 2.70 which has the audio drop-out. After the phone SS
Lyle asked for testers of an updated DSP firmware and that which I
received is DSP 2.71 and does not exhibit the drop-out. I don't know
what happened, but I'm not going back to 2.70. ;-)

73, de Nate >>

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

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Bruce,

MCU 4.22/DSP 2.71 should have fixed that, and is now at release level -
at least the firmware release notes indicate that it was fixed.

If it does not cure your particular situation, please report the
specifics (relevant settings etc.) so it can be analyzed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/8/2010 6:23 PM, Bruce Meier wrote:

> I thought an update was to be released this week that would, at a minimum,
> fix the issue with RX drop out that occurs during T/R when Notch is engaged.
>
> Did I miss something?
>
> Bruce - N1LN
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

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Sorry Bruce, I just learned that the DSP at release level is 2.70. If
you want the fix, you will have to download the beta files.

73,
Don W3FPR

Bruce,

MCU 4.22/DSP 2.71 should have fixed that, and is now at release level -
at least the firmware release notes indicate that it was fixed.

If it does not cure your particular situation, please report the
specifics (relevant settings etc.) so it can be analyzed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/8/2010 6:23 PM, Bruce Meier wrote:

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: (K) 4.22 available now

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Wayne an dLyle has some other items to add in DSP 2.71. It and new mcu
code will be up as beta on the site shortly for testing.

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> * On 2010 08 Dec 17:24 -0600, Bruce Meier wrote:
>> I thought an update was to be released this week that would, at a minimum,
>> fix the issue with RX drop out that occurs during T/R when Notch is engaged.
>>
>> Did I miss something?
> I don't think so, Bruce. I was puzzled yesterday that 4.22 is now
> stable with DSP 2.70 which has the audio drop-out. After the phone SS
> Lyle asked for testers of an updated DSP firmware and that which I
> received is DSP 2.71 and does not exhibit the drop-out. I don't know
> what happened, but I'm not going back to 2.70. ;-)
>
> 73, de Nate>>
>

John Ragle

Re: K3 and Docs in general...

In reply to this post by Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO

Quoting W5WVO, whose email is blocked from external access...

"PDF is not intended to be an editable format. It is intended to be a
distribution format. While extremely minor tweaks can be made in a PDF
as a last-minute fix, there is no "secret unlock key" that turns Acrobat
into a word processor."

Re: editing PDF files...what he says is unfortunately not true. It turns
out (with a little research) that there are several PDF editors
available. They are sufficiently adept to permit annotation.

Furthermore, his "response" has several red herrings in it...First, I
did not ask to convert Acrobat into a word processor, only to be able to
annotate the text parts of the PDF file, presumably outside of either
Acrobat or Acrobat Reader. I found (and tried) two such text editors
this morning using Google. These annotations are much more satisfactory
than the "sticky note" format supported by Acrobat.

Second, re "keys," forms that are prepared in PDF format may either be
locked or unlocked. I gave an example of an unlocked form; here is an
example of a locked "form:" the 1040 income tax form for the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The federal form allows one to enter data
from the keyboard while the MA form does not.

Third, the efficacy of Microsoft Word was not in question. IMO it is an
awkward medium in which to produce mixed text and illustrations, but
that has no bearing on the issue I raised.

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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Byron N6NUL

Re: K3 and Docs in general...

With Adobe Acrobat Professional you can create PDF forms that are
explicitly meant to be "editable" so the customer can fill in
appropriate fields. I will occasionally load a PDF in to this program
and convert fields to form fields so I do not have to print, write,
and scan a form.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, John Ragle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Quoting W5WVO, whose email is blocked from external access...
>
> "PDF is not intended to be an editable format. It is intended to be a
> distribution format. While extremely minor tweaks can be made in a PDF
> as a last-minute fix, there is no "secret unlock key" that turns Acrobat
> into a word processor."
>
> Re: editing PDF files...what he says is unfortunately not true. It turns
> out (with a little research) that there are several PDF editors
> available. They are sufficiently adept to permit annotation.

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Re: K3 and Docs in general... [END of Thread]

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This thread and related ones were closed earlier today to prevent list
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> With Adobe Acrobat Professional you can create PDF forms that are
> explicitly meant to be "editable" so the customer can fill in
> appropriate fields. I will occasionally load a PDF in to this program
> and convert fields to form fields so I do not have to print, write,
> and scan a form.
>
> 73, Byron N6NUL
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, John Ragle<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Quoting W5WVO, whose email is blocked from external access...
>>
>> "PDF is not intended to be an editable format. It is intended to be a
>> distribution format. While extremely minor tweaks can be made in a PDF
>> as a last-minute fix, there is no "secret unlock key" that turns Acrobat
>> into a word processor."
>>
>> Re: editing PDF files...what he says is unfortunately not true. It turns
>> out (with a little research) that there are several PDF editors
>> available. They are sufficiently adept to permit annotation.