K# and data modes
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Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? If so, what
cable does it use? What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want to do direct keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? 73, Mike NF4L (It's coming Monday, it's coming Monday) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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quote author="Mike-39">
Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? If so, what cable does it use? What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want to do direct keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? There is no need to use a special interface with the K3. The audio in/out already has isolating transformers, so just the RS-232 cable that you need for updating firmware plus a couple of 3.5mm stereo double ended screened cables from your compouter shop are all you need. Not quite sure what you mean by direct keying, especially in the context of PSK31. The K3 can do direct FSK RTTY, though I've never used it and don't see what the advantages are, especially if you'll be using sound card software to do the decoding. I have a hunch the K3 does FSK by generating audio within the DSP anyway.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Julian, G4ILO wrote:
> quote author="Mike-39"> > Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? If so, what > cable does it use? > > What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want to do direct > keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. > > Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? > > > There is no need to use a special interface with the K3. The audio in/out > already has isolating transformers, so just the RS-232 cable that you need > for updating firmware plus a couple of 3.5mm stereo double ended screened > cables from your compouter shop are all you need. > > Not quite sure what you mean by direct keying, especially in the context of > PSK31. The K3 can do direct FSK RTTY, though I've never used it and don't > see what the advantages are, especially if you'll be using sound card > software to do the decoding. I have a hunch the K3 does FSK by generating > audio within the DSP anyway. > > Direct keying = FSK Audio keying = ASFK See http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_start_intro.htm for some pro/con arguments re: RTTY. I've always used FSK, so it's my preference not to change. I also don't want to deal with the offset between SSB and FSK. Or does the K3 deal with that internally? I'm not too sure about the PSK31 scheme either. 73, Mike ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Nelson Moyer wrote:
> The Rascal comes with the cable you ask for, or you can get the cable > without a plug on the end and solder your own plug for whatever interface > you need. > > Personally, I like the RigBlaster better than the Rascal. Want to buy my > Rascal? It has a Yaesu DIN cable. > > My K3 didn't come with any plugs except the power plug. > > Nelson, KU0A > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:29 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] K# and data modes > > Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? If so, what > cable does it use? > > What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want to do direct > keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. > > Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? > > 73, Mike NF4L > > (It's coming Monday, it's coming Monday) > ________ Yeah, I know how the Buxcomm operates. I didn't see a cable for th K3 on their site. Why do you like the Rigblaster better? What do you want for it? I'll have to find a source for a connector. Mike ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I took a look at that article, and it seems to me that the K3 negates all the arguments it raises against using AFSK. The K3 has a dedicated data mode so you don't need to worry about disabling compression and switching the audio source, that's done automatically, and it does let you use narrow filters on receive. Furthermore it's very easy to set up the audio drive level so you would have to try very hard to overdrive the TX and produce a distorted signal. I'm not sure what you mean about the offset between SSB and FSK. Personally it has never bothered me that the display is reading the suppressed carrier frequency while I'm operating somewhere 400 - 2400Hz higher. But in fact just about all of the sound card software will add the audio frequency on to the dial frequency so it will log the exact frequency anyway.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Julian, G4ILO wrote:
> > Mike-39 wrote: > >> >> Hi Julian - >> >> Direct keying = FSK >> Audio keying = ASFK >> >> See http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_start_intro.htm for some >> pro/con arguments re: RTTY. I've always used FSK, so it's my preference >> not to change. I also don't want to deal with the offset between SSB and >> FSK. Or does the K3 deal with that internally? >> >> I'm not too sure about the PSK31 scheme either. >> >> >> > > I took a look at that article, and it seems to me that the K3 negates all > the arguments it raises against using AFSK. The K3 has a dedicated data mode > so you don't need to worry about disabling compression and switching the > audio source, that's done automatically, and it does let you use narrow > filters on receive. Furthermore it's very easy to set up the audio drive > level so you would have to try very hard to overdrive the TX and produce a > distorted signal. > > I'm not sure what you mean about the offset between SSB and FSK. Personally > it has never bothered me that the display is reading the suppressed carrier > frequency while I'm operating somewhere 400 - 2400Hz higher. But in fact > just about all of the sound card software will add the audio frequency on to > the dial frequency so it will log the exact frequency anyway. <g> That of course may change as it seems to be unusually difficult to accomplish with a K3. Re: PSK/direct earlier... Copied from the K3 user manual "Modes USB, LSB, AM, FM, CW, and DATA. In DATA mode: FSK D (Direct), AFSK A (Audio), PSK D (Direct) and DATA A (Audio; PSK, etc.). Built in PSK, RTTY, and CW text decode/display." What I mean by offset is having to tune xnnn Hz up/down from the carrier frequency. I'ts just one more mental step that slows me down, and it's un-necessary. I don't understand what your comment about the 400-2400Hz means, unless it's the offset I'm talking about. I've never operated AFSK, so I may be using the wrong terminology. We may be in the area of, as someone said, 'The U.S. and England are two great friends separated by a common language'. Or something like that. I don't really care what frequency is logged, as long as the band is correct. Prehaps log is not what you meant? I use the MMTTY engine in my home brewed logging program, but not the MMTTY GUI. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Mike, FSK output (pin 5) of the BuxComm to pin 1 of the ACC connector. PTT output (pin 3) of the BuxComm to pin 4 of the ACC connector. FSK/PTT common (pin 2) to pin 5 of the ACC connector. Rx Audio - 3.5mm stereo cable to Line Out. Connect pin 4 to tip and pin 2 to sleeve. For PSK/AFSK add another 3.5mm audio cable to Line Out. Pin 1 to tip and pin 2 to sleeve. The male DB15HD connector and hoods for the ACC jack are available at most Radio Shack stores in the US as were the 5 pin DIN plug for the Rascal when I last checked. Not very difficult. For FSK set Digital mode to FSK D and go to town. Make sure "pitch" in data modes is set to the same frequency as you use for "Mark" in your digital software (e.g. MMTTY or MixW). 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:36 PM > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K# and data modes > > > Julian, G4ILO wrote: > > quote author="Mike-39"> > > Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? If so, what > > cable does it use? > > > > What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want to do direct > > keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. > > > > Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? > > > > > > There is no need to use a special interface with the K3. The audio > > in/out already has isolating transformers, so just the RS-232 cable > > that you need for updating firmware plus a couple of 3.5mm stereo > > double ended screened cables from your compouter shop are all you > > need. > > > > Not quite sure what you mean by direct keying, especially in the > > context of PSK31. The K3 can do direct FSK RTTY, though I've never > > used it and don't see what the advantages are, especially > if you'll be > > using sound card software to do the decoding. I have a hunch the K3 > > does FSK by generating audio within the DSP anyway. > > > > > Hi Julian - > > Direct keying = FSK > Audio keying = ASFK > > See http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_start_intro.htm for some > pro/con arguments re: RTTY. I've always used FSK, so it's my > preference > not to change. I also don't want to deal with the offset > between SSB and > FSK. Or does the K3 deal with that internally? > > I'm not too sure about the PSK31 scheme either. > > 73, Mike > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In AFSK the K3 is already reading the mark frequency just as in FSK. If you work
someone in FSK and then chance to AFSK you should still be on the same freq. This is because even in AFSK the radio is using the pitch combination so that you still have the dual peak filter available. In AFSK you still need to make sure the K3 is using the same pitch tones as the soundcard software. If the software is set for 2125 and the K3 pitch AFSK is set for 915 you are not going to see very much output. This is one of the more common issues when someone is having a problem with AFSK. ------------------------- 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Thu Oct 1 11:55 , "Julian, G4ILO" sent: > > > >Mike-39 wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Julian - >> >> Direct keying = FSK >> Audio keying = ASFK >> >> See http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_start_intro.htm for some >> pro/con arguments re: RTTY. I've always used FSK, so it's my preference >> not to change. I also don't want to deal with the offset between SSB and >> FSK. Or does the K3 deal with that internally? >> >> I'm not too sure about the PSK31 scheme either. >> >> > >I took a look at that article, and it seems to me that the K3 negates all >the arguments it raises against using AFSK. The K3 has a dedicated data mode >so you don't need to worry about disabling compression and switching the >audio source, that's done automatically, and it does let you use narrow >filters on receive. Furthermore it's very easy to set up the audio drive >level so you would have to try very hard to overdrive the TX and produce a >distorted signal. > >I'm not sure what you mean about the offset between SSB and FSK. Personally >it has never bothered me that the display is reading the suppressed carrier >frequency while I'm operating somewhere 400 - 2400Hz higher. But in fact >just about all of the sound card software will add the audio frequency on to >the dial frequency so it will log the exact frequency anyway. > >----- >Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. >* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com >* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html >* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html > >-- >View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K-and-data-modes- >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: [hidden email]','','','')">[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Mike the K3 does not need any extra interface to operate "sound card
modes" with a PC. A couple of ordinary 3.5mm to 3.5mm stereo cables (to/from a sound card) and a standard serial cable between your PC and the K3 works perfectly. No special settings, no need for VOX, separate line in/out levels to leave your mic levels alone, EQ bypassed on data, you name it the K3 does it. The Ham Radio Deluxe software will key the K3 via serial command and it's freeware. The K3 is probably one of the easiest radios to interface for data modes, having built in isolation transformers and a command set which allows serial RS232 transmit/receive commands to operate it. 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 ---------------------- Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? If so, what cable does it use? What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want to do direct keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? 73, Mike NF4L ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I don't know about unusually difficult. Certainly not as easy as using AFSK (as even the article you referred to stated) as it requires a special interface and extra connections to the ACC connector. But if that's the way you want to do it, I think Joe has given you the answer. RTTY was traditionally generated by directly frequency shifting the carrier because the two tones directly correspond to the state 1 or 0 of the serial data stream when text is transmitted using 5-bit ASCII at 45.5 baud. PSK31 is a more complicated modulation scheme. According to the manual, the K3 can generate PSK31 using FSK IN as well. That is something unique to the K3 and I don't know what software supports that method of doing it or whether anyone has ever tried it. The manual doesn't state what bit length / baud rate you must use in that case. The reason I don't use the direct method is that I simply find it far easier to tune a signal in by clicking with the mouse on a waterfall display anywhere within the 400 - 2400Hz range of the passband (or whatever filter width you are using) and letting the software AFC ensure you are accurately netted than using the VFO to tune the signal to the precise frequency that is used when the mode is generated directly. I appreciate that you may be used to working RTTY that way (I did too, in the years before sound cards) but having got used to using a waterfall for PSK31 the old way of doing it just seems unnecessarily difficult (and it's much harder to tune in a PSK signal using the VFO than a RTTY one.)
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Thanks Joe -
Just what the doc ordered! I've got a dead Rascal that I can rob the audio lines from. Questons in-line. Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Mike, > > FSK output (pin 5) of the BuxComm to pin 1 of the ACC connector. > PTT output (pin 3) of the BuxComm to pin 4 of the ACC connector. > FSK/PTT common (pin 2) to pin 5 of the ACC connector. > > Rx Audio - 3.5mm stereo cable to Line Out. Connect pin 4 to tip > and pin 2 to sleeve. The Rascal already has audio lines wired in, but since there doesn't seem to be audio in or out on the ACC connector, I need to add another set? This is the audio from the rig to the computer? Should that be Line IN? Pins 4 & 2 on what? The plug's nomenclature is tip, ring, then sleeve, right? > For PSK/AFSK add another 3.5mm audio cable to Line Out. Pin 1 > to tip and pin 2 to sleeve. > Audio from the sound card to the rig? Pins 1 & 2 on what? > The male DB15HD connector and hoods for the ACC jack are available > at most Radio Shack stores in the US as were the 5 pin DIN plug > for the Rascal when I last checked. > > Not very difficult. For FSK set Digital mode to FSK D and go > to town. Make sure "pitch" in data modes is set to the same > frequency as you use for "Mark" in your digital software > (e.g. MMTTY or MixW). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:36 PM >> Cc: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K# and data modes >> >> >> Julian, G4ILO wrote: >> >>> quote author="Mike-39"> >>> Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? If so, what >>> cable does it use? >>> >>> What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want to do direct >>> keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. >>> >>> Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? >>> >>> >>> There is no need to use a special interface with the K3. The audio >>> in/out already has isolating transformers, so just the RS-232 cable >>> that you need for updating firmware plus a couple of 3.5mm stereo >>> double ended screened cables from your compouter shop are all you >>> need. >>> >>> Not quite sure what you mean by direct keying, especially in the >>> context of PSK31. The K3 can do direct FSK RTTY, though I've never >>> used it and don't see what the advantages are, especially >>> >> if you'll be >> >>> using sound card software to do the decoding. I have a hunch the K3 >>> does FSK by generating audio within the DSP anyway. >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Julian - >> >> Direct keying = FSK >> Audio keying = ASFK >> >> See http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_start_intro.htm for some >> pro/con arguments re: RTTY. I've always used FSK, so it's my >> preference >> not to change. I also don't want to deal with the offset >> between SSB and >> FSK. Or does the K3 deal with that internally? >> >> I'm not too sure about the PSK31 scheme either. >> >> 73, Mike >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> The Rascal already has audio lines wired in, but since there doesn't > seem to be audio in or out on the ACC connector, I need to > add another set? OK, you appear to have an older RASCAL instead of the current ones with all connections on the DIN-5. I'm working from data on the BuxComm web site. If the audio cables are captive there's not much you can do. The ACC connector I'm referring to is the DB15HD ACC connector on the K3. The DIN-5 is the RASCAL Connector. You need to connect the audio connections to the Line In and Line Out jacks on the K3. > This is the audio from the rig to the computer? Should that > be Line IN? > Pins 4 & 2 on what? Pins 2 and 4 on the DIN-5 on the RASCAL (at least the current ones). Since the K3 has transformer isolation you can simply connect standard stereo 3.5mm audio cables from the K3 Line Out jack to the Line In jack on the computer and the Lin Out jack on the computer to the Line In jack on the K3. > The plug's nomenclature is tip, ring, then sleeve, right? Yes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:13 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K# and data modes > > > Thanks Joe - > > Just what the doc ordered! > I've got a dead Rascal that I can rob the audio lines from. > Questons in-line. > > > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Mike, > > > > FSK output (pin 5) of the BuxComm to pin 1 of the ACC connector. > > PTT output (pin 3) of the BuxComm to pin 4 of the ACC connector. > > FSK/PTT common (pin 2) to pin 5 of the ACC connector. > > > > Rx Audio - 3.5mm stereo cable to Line Out. Connect pin 4 to tip > > and pin 2 to sleeve. > The Rascal already has audio lines wired in, but since there doesn't > seem to be audio in or out on the ACC connector, I need to > add another set? > > This is the audio from the rig to the computer? Should that > be Line IN? > Pins 4 & 2 on what? > > The plug's nomenclature is tip, ring, then sleeve, right? > > > For PSK/AFSK add another 3.5mm audio cable to Line Out. Pin 1 > > to tip and pin 2 to sleeve. > > > Audio from the sound card to the rig? Pins 1 & 2 on what? > > The male DB15HD connector and hoods for the ACC jack are available > > at most Radio Shack stores in the US as were the 5 pin DIN plug > > for the Rascal when I last checked. > > > > Not very difficult. For FSK set Digital mode to FSK D and go > > to town. Make sure "pitch" in data modes is set to the same > > frequency as you use for "Mark" in your digital software > > (e.g. MMTTY or MixW). > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [hidden email] > >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike > >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:36 PM > >> Cc: [hidden email] > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K# and data modes > >> > >> > >> Julian, G4ILO wrote: > >> > >>> quote author="Mike-39"> > >>> Has anyone used a Buxcomm Rascal interface with the K3? > If so, what > >>> cable does it use? > >>> > >>> What other interface is used for RTTY and PSK31? I want > to do direct > >>> keying, not audio, and I want to copy with the 'puter. > >>> > >>> Does the K3 come with the mating plug for the acc jack? > >>> > >>> > >>> There is no need to use a special interface with the K3. > The audio > >>> in/out already has isolating transformers, so just the > RS-232 cable > >>> that you need for updating firmware plus a couple of 3.5mm stereo > >>> double ended screened cables from your compouter shop are all you > >>> need. > >>> > >>> Not quite sure what you mean by direct keying, especially in the > >>> context of PSK31. The K3 can do direct FSK RTTY, though > I've never > >>> used it and don't see what the advantages are, especially > >>> > >> if you'll be > >> > >>> using sound card software to do the decoding. I have a > hunch the K3 > >>> does FSK by generating audio within the DSP anyway. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Hi Julian - > >> > >> Direct keying = FSK > >> Audio keying = ASFK > >> > >> See > http://www.aa5au.com/gettingstarted/rtty_start_intro.htm for some > >> pro/con arguments re: RTTY. I've always used FSK, so it's my > >> preference not to change. I also don't want to deal with the offset > >> between SSB and > >> FSK. Or does the K3 deal with that internally? > >> > >> I'm not too sure about the PSK31 scheme either. > >> > >> 73, Mike > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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