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Patrick DalPorto-3

(K2) Airplane Ride

I will be taking a private plane ride and want to take my K2 along. Anyone have any guidance for me regarding antennas and other necessary advice to successfully operate?

Pat W8FV

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Mark Bayern

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

Can I wish you good luck connecting to your ground system? <grin>

On a serious note, more information would help. What bands, and what
antenna are you planning on using? What modes? (In a small plane,
operating a voice mode will require mics and earphones that are
seriously noise canceling -- not the usual stuff we see in amateur
radio.)

You should also talk to the pilot/owner of the aircraft before doing a
whole lot of planning.

Mark AD5SS

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I will be taking a private plane ride and want to take my K2 along. Anyone have any guidance for me regarding antennas and other necessary advice to successfully operate?
>
> Pat W8FV
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stan levandowski

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

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Also...you cannot legally mount anything anywhere on the airplane,
inside or
outside, without a Form 337, signoff, etc. If it's an Experimental
class
aircraft then the owner/builder is the "manufacturer" in the eye of the
FAA
and has a great deal more latitude. Just be careful. Even a trailing
wire
innocently tossed out a sliightly open window has the potential to wrap
itself around the elevator or rudder and bind up something. Operating
A/M
offers some unique challenges. Good luck; be safe!

Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
Morse code and vacuum tubes = Real Ham Radio!
www.qsysociety.org

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:

> I will be taking a private plane ride and want to take my K2 along.
> Anyone have any guidance for me regarding antennas and other necessary
> advice to successfully operate?
>
> Pat W8FV
>
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Jim Rogers, W4ATK

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

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A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in antenna tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear most point on the plane. You do not want to interfere with the controls.
This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.

Jim, W4ATk
On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:

>
> I will be taking a private plane ride and want to take my K2 along. Anyone have any guidance for me regarding antennas and other necessary advice to successfully operate?
>
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Mark Bayern

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

> A simple trailing wire is all you need

A trailing wire should exit the plane _behind_ the rudder and
elevators which is not an easy feat to accomplish. Then you should get
approval for the installation -- once again not all that easy.

A simple trailing wire might not be all that simple

Mark

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, JAMES ROGERS <[hidden email]> wrote:
> A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in antenna tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear most point on the plane. You do not want to interfere with the controls.
> This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.
>
> Jim, W4ATk
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:
>
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Jim Rogers, W4ATK

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

No harder than towing a banner. And that was like shooting fish in a barrel with my Citabria. I can tell a lot of you have never flown off of a duster strip. :-)) Oh for the good old days......

73s Jim
On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:

>> A simple trailing wire is all you need
>
> A trailing wire should exit the plane _behind_ the rudder and
> elevators which is not an easy feat to accomplish. Then you should get
> approval for the installation -- once again not all that easy.
>
> A simple trailing wire might not be all that simple
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, JAMES ROGERS <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in antenna tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear most point on the plane. You do not want to interfere with the controls.
>> This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.
>>
>> Jim, W4ATk
>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:
>>

Jerry Muller

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

Ah, tailwheel. I did my first tailwheel training in a 7KCAB. Fun airplane.
Get tired of flying right side up, turn it over and fly it upside down, but
not over 2 minutes (I was taught not to fly inverted more than 1 minute and
keep your eye on the oil pressure).

Oh well, I digress. One important thing is if you are going to get power
from the cig lighter plug, make sure it's not a 28 volt airplane like my 182
was. That can trash a radio right quick.

Many transatlantic light plane flights used a trailing wire antenna run out
the door through an insulating tube with a tennis ball on the end of the
wire. They roll it out when they're in the air and roll it back in before
landing. With the tennis ball on the end, it keeps the wire straight and out
of the flight controls.

Jerry - K0TV/CFII exp 8/2011

----- Original Message -----
From: "JAMES ROGERS" <[hidden email]>
To: "Mark Bayern" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride

> No harder than towing a banner. And that was like shooting fish in a
> barrel with my Citabria. I can tell a lot of you have never flown off of a
> duster strip. :-)) Oh for the good old days......
>
> 73s Jim
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:
>
>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need
>>
>> A trailing wire should exit the plane _behind_ the rudder and
>> elevators which is not an easy feat to accomplish. Then you should get
>> approval for the installation -- once again not all that easy.
>>
>> A simple trailing wire might not be all that simple
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, JAMES ROGERS <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in
>>> antenna tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear most
>>> point on the plane. You do not want to interfere with the controls.
>>> This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.
>>>
>>> Jim, W4ATk
>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:
>>>
>
> JIM ROGERS, W4ATK
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> K3/100 P3
> K2/10
>
>
>
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stan levandowski

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

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This might be terribly obvious (hopefully!) but....a trailing wire with
a weight at the end going 100+ knots IAS is going to put quite on strain
on the K2 BNC connector ;) Might want to plan for that.

I've been a ham 51 years and a pilot for 37. Never felt comfortable
mixing the two activities. Preferred to monitor the steady drone of the
engine and case the scrolling terrain for a flat, clear piece of real
estate in case of sudden silence. Stuff happens.

Regarding Citabrias - yup, they're fun. CAP10Bs were even funner. And
you could fly inverted all day long and come home with an oil-free
belly.

73,

Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years!
QCWA #35038 OOTC #4558 NAQCC #4740 SKCC #6488 FISTS #14992 QRP
ARCI #14321

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Jerry Muller wrote:

> Ah, tailwheel. I did my first tailwheel training in a 7KCAB. Fun
> airplane. Get tired of flying right side up, turn it over and fly it
> upside down, but not over 2 minutes (I was taught not to fly inverted
> more than 1 minute and keep your eye on the oil pressure).
>
> Oh well, I digress. One important thing is if you are going to get
> power from the cig lighter plug, make sure it's not a 28 volt airplane
> like my 182 was. That can trash a radio right quick.
>
> Many transatlantic light plane flights used a trailing wire antenna
> run out the door through an insulating tube with a tennis ball on the
> end of the wire. They roll it out when they're in the air and roll it
> back in before landing. With the tennis ball on the end, it keeps the
> wire straight and out of the flight controls.
>
> Jerry - K0TV/CFII exp 8/2011
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES ROGERS"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: "Mark Bayern" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride
>
>
>> No harder than towing a banner. And that was like shooting fish in a
>> barrel with my Citabria. I can tell a lot of you have never flown off
>> of a duster strip. :-)) Oh for the good old days......
>>
>> 73s Jim
>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:
>>
>>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need
>>>
>>> A trailing wire should exit the plane _behind_ the rudder and
>>> elevators which is not an easy feat to accomplish. Then you should
>>> get
>>> approval for the installation -- once again not all that easy.
>>>
>>> A simple trailing wire might not be all that simple
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, JAMES ROGERS <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in
>>>> antenna tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear
>>>> most point on the plane. You do not want to interfere with the
>>>> controls.
>>>> This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.
>>>>
>>>> Jim, W4ATk
>>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> JIM ROGERS, W4ATK
>> [hidden email]
>> http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk
>> K3/100 P3
>> K2/10
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

I may be an old stick in the mud but I prefer to keep the wheels pointed down
and the oil on the belly rather than the canopy.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ

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From: stan levandowski <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 9:26:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride

This might be terribly obvious (hopefully!) but....a trailing wire with
a weight at the end going 100+ knots IAS is going to put quite on strain
on the K2 BNC connector ;) Might want to plan for that.

I've been a ham 51 years and a pilot for 37. Never felt comfortable
mixing the two activities. Preferred to monitor the steady drone of the
engine and case the scrolling terrain for a flat, clear piece of real
estate in case of sudden silence. Stuff happens.

Regarding Citabrias - yup, they're fun. CAP10Bs were even funner. And
you could fly inverted all day long and come home with an oil-free
belly.

73,

Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years!
QCWA #35038 OOTC #4558 NAQCC #4740 SKCC #6488 FISTS #14992 QRP
ARCI #14321

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Jerry Muller wrote:

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

I actually prefer to keep the wheels on the ground (clean side up,
dirty side down, and keep it between the lines). I know that is not as
adventuresome, but it makes a shorter distance to fall. I have heard
that the height of the fall is not important - the important thing is
the sudden stop at the end. One does not acquire a lot of potential
energy when less than 6 feet from the ground (compared to 600 feet or more).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/2/2011 10:45 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:

> I may be an old stick in the mud but I prefer to keep the wheels pointed down
> and the oil on the belly rather than the canopy.
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: stan levandowski<[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 9:26:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride
>
> This might be terribly obvious (hopefully!) but....a trailing wire with
> a weight at the end going 100+ knots IAS is going to put quite on strain
> on the K2 BNC connector ;) Might want to plan for that.
>
> I've been a ham 51 years and a pilot for 37. Never felt comfortable
> mixing the two activities. Preferred to monitor the steady drone of the
> engine and case the scrolling terrain for a flat, clear piece of real
> estate in case of sudden silence. Stuff happens.
>
> Regarding Citabrias - yup, they're fun. CAP10Bs were even funner. And
> you could fly inverted all day long and come home with an oil-free
> belly.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
> HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years!
> QCWA #35038 OOTC #4558 NAQCC #4740 SKCC #6488 FISTS #14992 QRP
> ARCI #14321
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Jerry Muller wrote:
>
>> Ah, tailwheel. I did my first tailwheel training in a 7KCAB. Fun
>> airplane. Get tired of flying right side up, turn it over and fly it
>> upside down, but not over 2 minutes (I was taught not to fly inverted
>> more than 1 minute and keep your eye on the oil pressure).
>>
>> Oh well, I digress. One important thing is if you are going to get
>> power from the cig lighter plug, make sure it's not a 28 volt airplane
>> like my 182 was. That can trash a radio right quick.
>>
>> Many transatlantic light plane flights used a trailing wire antenna
>> run out the door through an insulating tube with a tennis ball on the
>> end of the wire. They roll it out when they're in the air and roll it
>> back in before landing. With the tennis ball on the end, it keeps the
>> wire straight and out of the flight controls.
>>
>> Jerry - K0TV/CFII exp 8/2011
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES ROGERS"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Mark Bayern"<[hidden email]>
>> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector"<[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride
>>
>>
>>> No harder than towing a banner. And that was like shooting fish in a
>>> barrel with my Citabria. I can tell a lot of you have never flown off
>>> of a duster strip. :-)) Oh for the good old days......
>>>
>>> 73s Jim
>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need
>>>> A trailing wire should exit the plane _behind_ the rudder and
>>>> elevators which is not an easy feat to accomplish. Then you should
>>>> get
>>>> approval for the installation -- once again not all that easy.
>>>>
>>>> A simple trailing wire might not be all that simple
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, JAMES ROGERS<[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in
>>>>> antenna tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear
>>>>> most point on the plane. You do not want to interfere with the
>>>>> controls.
>>>>> This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, W4ATk
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:
>>>>>
>>> JIM ROGERS, W4ATK
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk
>>> K3/100 P3
>>> K2/10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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George Cortez Jr

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

Ill leave the K2@ home and use my aircraft radio (AN Arc160) and 40 foot antenna. The biggest groundplane in the sky.

George NE2I
Lockeed C5A Flight Engineer

On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I actually prefer to keep the wheels on the ground (clean side up,
> dirty side down, and keep it between the lines). I know that is not as
> adventuresome, but it makes a shorter distance to fall. I have heard
> that the height of the fall is not important - the important thing is
> the sudden stop at the end. One does not acquire a lot of potential
> energy when less than 6 feet from the ground (compared to 600 feet or more).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/2/2011 10:45 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
>> I may be an old stick in the mud but I prefer to keep the wheels pointed down
>> and the oil on the belly rather than the canopy.
>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>> K5EWJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: stan levandowski<[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 9:26:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride
>>
>> This might be terribly obvious (hopefully!) but....a trailing wire with
>> a weight at the end going 100+ knots IAS is going to put quite on strain
>> on the K2 BNC connector ;) Might want to plan for that.
>>
>> I've been a ham 51 years and a pilot for 37. Never felt comfortable
>> mixing the two activities. Preferred to monitor the steady drone of the
>> engine and case the scrolling terrain for a flat, clear piece of real
>> estate in case of sudden silence. Stuff happens.
>>
>> Regarding Citabrias - yup, they're fun. CAP10Bs were even funner. And
>> you could fly inverted all day long and come home with an oil-free
>> belly.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>
>> Stan Levandowski WB2LQF
>> HF QRP CW -- Doing more with less for over 50 years!
>> QCWA #35038 OOTC #4558 NAQCC #4740 SKCC #6488 FISTS #14992 QRP
>> ARCI #14321
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Jerry Muller wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, tailwheel. I did my first tailwheel training in a 7KCAB. Fun
>>> airplane. Get tired of flying right side up, turn it over and fly it
>>> upside down, but not over 2 minutes (I was taught not to fly inverted
>>> more than 1 minute and keep your eye on the oil pressure).
>>>
>>> Oh well, I digress. One important thing is if you are going to get
>>> power from the cig lighter plug, make sure it's not a 28 volt airplane
>>> like my 182 was. That can trash a radio right quick.
>>>
>>> Many transatlantic light plane flights used a trailing wire antenna
>>> run out the door through an insulating tube with a tennis ball on the
>>> end of the wire. They roll it out when they're in the air and roll it
>>> back in before landing. With the tennis ball on the end, it keeps the
>>> wire straight and out of the flight controls.
>>>
>>> Jerry - K0TV/CFII exp 8/2011
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES ROGERS"
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "Mark Bayern"<[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector"<[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> No harder than towing a banner. And that was like shooting fish in a
>>>> barrel with my Citabria. I can tell a lot of you have never flown off
>>>> of a duster strip. :-)) Oh for the good old days......
>>>>
>>>> 73s Jim
>>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need
>>>>> A trailing wire should exit the plane _behind_ the rudder and
>>>>> elevators which is not an easy feat to accomplish. Then you should
>>>>> get
>>>>> approval for the installation -- once again not all that easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> A simple trailing wire might not be all that simple
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, JAMES ROGERS<[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in
>>>>>> antenna tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear
>>>>>> most point on the plane. You do not want to interfere with the
>>>>>> controls.
>>>>>> This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim, W4ATk
>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> JIM ROGERS, W4ATK
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk
>>>> K3/100 P3
>>>> K2/10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Mark Bayern

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

> C5A Flight Engineer

OK, on that one you could mount a very nice long wire between the nose
and the top of the rudder! The aircraft is probably already certified
for just such a wire.

Mark -- we're definitely getting off topic on this thread <smile>

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:17 AM, George Cortez Jr <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ill leave the K2@ home and use my aircraft radio (AN Arc160) and 40 foot antenna. The biggest groundplane in the sky.
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Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:30 PM, JAMES ROGERS <[hidden email]> wrote:
> No harder than towing a banner. And that was like shooting fish in a barrel with my Citabria.

Sure, just like shooting fish in a barrel ... once modified the
aircraft, had the necessary training, and then got the local FSDO sign
a waiver for both the pilot and plane.

Mark

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:30 PM, JAMES ROGERS <[hidden email]> wrote:
> No harder than towing a banner. And that was like shooting fish in a barrel with my Citabria. I can tell a lot of you have never flown off of a duster strip. :-)) Oh for the good old days......
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> 73s Jim
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:
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Terry Schieler

Re: (K2) Airplane Ride

In reply to this post by Mark Bayern

I have a DVD that's a documentary of two young men who crossed the North
Atlantic in a Mooney. It's called "North Atlantic Crossing". They had an
Icom HF rig on board to supplement their VHF radios. Their antenna was
steel wire wound on a deep sea fishing reel. The antenna exited the rear of
the aircraft and had a small drag chute at the tip (just like the old days).
I saw no details on just how the antenna wire got out of the airplane
without shorting to the fuselage metal. They would crank out enough antenna
to make it resonant for the Icom rig's aeronautical frequencies. After
making contact, they cranked the antenna back in. It looked (and WAS)
jury-rigged. The right seat occupant held the HF radio on his lap.

There was no mention of 337 signoff's, etc. I just assumed (hoped) it was
blessed by someone. Interesting flick.

Terry, W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bayern [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:54 PM
To: JAMES ROGERS
Cc: Patrick DalPorto; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (K2) Airplane Ride

> A simple trailing wire is all you need

A trailing wire should exit the plane _behind_ the rudder and
elevators which is not an easy feat to accomplish. Then you should get
approval for the installation -- once again not all that easy.

A simple trailing wire might not be all that simple

Mark

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, JAMES ROGERS <[hidden email]> wrote:
> A simple trailing wire is all you need if your K2 has the built in antenna
tuner. It is best if you can trail the wire from the rear most point on the
plane. You do not want to interfere with the controls.
> This was the standard aircraft antenna back in the days before VHF.
>
> Jim, W4ATk
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Patrick DalPorto wrote:
>

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