I've had some time to play with the brand new K2. It appears to be
working great! I actually read the manual and I think I might understand the filter bandwith/BFO stuff and what CAL FIL is doing. I have a question or two ... off-reflector replies are probably appropriate since the traffic on this reflector is high: I left a lot of my hearing in SE Asia, but I have a "sweet spot" at about 650 Hz or so for CW. I'd like the pitch of the received station to stay at that freq when I change filter BW's. I succeeded in getting it close for CW NORM -- sort of an iterative process. I did finally figure out that I needed to center the signal in the narrowest filter, set the BFO for the right pitch, and then set it for each of the wider filters. 1. Should I be able to do the same thing for CW REV? What I'd like is that filter setting and NORM/REV have no effect on the pitch of the signal centered in the passband. I did a quick VFO calibration before I took the K2 to Alpine County for CQP. It is still about 250 Hz off, I think. (The CQP Alpine County expedition is a different long story!) 2. Should I do a good VFO cal first, before fooling around in CAL FIL or does it not matter? 3. Based on the initial VFO cal, I have a suspicion that I'm at or near the end of the range on C22 and might not be able to get it right on. Other than the obvious display error, is this a factor in getting the CAL FIL process completed? Is there a way to fix it? I have a calibrated service monitor. FWIW: 9.9 W out on 10m, and over 10W on all other bands ... I wound the toroids and binocular as stated in the book. (This is on a 12V gel cell for power). Thanks to all for all the help during the construction, it was fun. And so is operating with it. 73, Fred K6DGW Auburn CA CM98 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Fred,
The answers to your Dial Calibration and Filter Alignment should be found on my website www.qsl.net/w3fpr. As you have discovered, the numbers in the manual are a good starting point, but you can do much better. Calibration resulting in no more than 30 Hz error is readily achievable with a bit of care. You can obtain the same pitch within 10 to 20 Hz when switching filters with care in doing the alignment. The use of an audio spectrum analyzer program such as 'Spectrogram' and a wideband noise generator is highly recommended. You will end up doing the dial calibration and filter alignment 'sort of' together, because the dial calibration requires that you run CAL FIL after the reference oscillator is changed. 73, Don W3FPR ----- Original Message ----- > I've had some time to play with the brand new K2. It appears to be > working great! I actually read the manual and I think I might > understand the filter bandwith/BFO stuff and what CAL FIL is doing. I > have a question or two ... off-reflector replies are probably > appropriate since the traffic on this reflector is high: > > I left a lot of my hearing in SE Asia, but I have a "sweet spot" at > about 650 Hz or so for CW. I'd like the pitch of the received station > to stay at that freq when I change filter BW's. I succeeded in getting > it close for CW NORM -- sort of an iterative process. I did finally > figure out that I needed to center the signal in the narrowest filter, > set the BFO for the right pitch, and then set it for each of the wider > filters. > > 1. Should I be able to do the same thing for CW REV? What I'd like is > that filter setting and NORM/REV have no effect on the pitch of the > signal centered in the passband. > > I did a quick VFO calibration before I took the K2 to Alpine County for > CQP. It is still about 250 Hz off, I think. (The CQP Alpine County > expedition is a different long story!) > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Fred,
> I have a calibrated service monitor. Don's page has what you need to know. Since you have a service monitor, there may be a shortcut. The service monitor needs to be within 1 part per million. I don't know if CAL FCTR has changed in the latest firmware, but this used to work: To set C22 with an accurate service monitor: Let the K2 warm up. Start CAL FCTR. Set the service monitor to 28100 KHz. Attach to the frequency probe. (Connect the shield from the monitor to one of the ground points on the K2.) Increase output from the monitor to get a reasonably stable count on the K2. I needed about 1 Volt. Set C22 so that you read 28099.95 on the K2. The display may switch between 28099.95 and 28099.96. That's all there is to it. This creates a small offset to the 4 MHz oscillator that is needed for some reason. You have to do CAL PLL and CAL FIL with the bottom cover in place, and the stand the way you want it when you operate, and you have to do it before to much time goes by, since the setting on C22 is temperature sensitive. 73, de Michael, AB9GV _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Fred, I missed your first post, but have you checked the procedure for
setting C22 on the Elecraft web site (www.elecraft.com). It's under "Builder Resource Page", then click on "How to "Build and Test Your Kit" under "Main Topics" of the page, then click on, "Adjusting C22 to calibrate the K2's Frequency Display". This procedure provides calibration as accurate as the K2 is capable of based in the accuracy of the source. If you can hear WWV, it will be as close as the K2's logic and WWV. You can't do better than that with any test equipment, it's very simple and straightforward to do and requires no external equipment whatsoever. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
At 10:40 PM 10/5/2004, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote...
>Fred, I missed your first post, but have you checked the procedure for >setting C22 on the Elecraft web site (www.elecraft.com). Just a warning. That article is out of date, and hence inaccurate. With current firmware it is not necessary to run CAL PLL on every band, just on 40 meters. It's pretty hard to "zero beat" WWV in USB/LSB, since the AM carrier will become inaudible when you're anywhere close. The lower range of human hearing and bandwidth limitations get in the way. This is what works for me: I find that tuning while bouncing between USB and LSB (hold CW REV to do so without having to cycle through the other modes) and matching the sound of the WWV marker tones works FB. When the tones match, you're on frequency (at least within ~20 Hz, the VFO+BFO cumulative error). Wayne introduced a method which might work quicker for actually setting C22 ( http://www.qsl.net/w3fpr/n6kr_method.htm ): If you're tuned to 10 MHz WWV, set C22 so the difference between the VFO (TP1) and the BFO (TP2) is 10 MHz, run CAL PLL then CAL FIL, and you're done. In my experience, you actually want the VFO set about 10 Hz lower than theoretical. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Egad! Thanks for catching that error Mike!
I have a copy of that procedure from an E-mail Wayne posted to the reflector a year ago and it had the correct instruction to run CAL PLL on 40 meters only! According to the e-mail he had just developed this procedure at that time and the procedure was correct for the current firmware, so I never thought to look at the one on the web site more closely. Good catch!! If anyone is confused about the CAL PLL issue, here's the original procedure as published by Wayne August 20, 2003. It is correct: ------------------------------------------------------------- This method relies on the following simple observation. If you tune in an on-air signal at a known frequency, the difference between the *measured* VCO and BFO (using CAL FCTR) *must* equal that frequency, or C22 is not set correctly. (Actually, this holds for 160-17 m; on 15-10 m it's the sum, or VCO + BFO, that must equal the signal's frequency. But it's easier to do the adjustment of C22 on 17 m or lower because you don't have to do any math at all, as I'll explain below.) Here's the procedure. It requires revision 2.XX firmware, and assumes you have already done Alignment and Test, Part II, at some point. The K2 should also be allowed to come up to room temperature. 1. Tune in a signal at a known frequency. Use one that's at an *exact* kHz boundary, so you can easily see when the VCO and BFO readings match in step 2. (I use WWV at 10, 15, or 20 MHz.) Use USB or LSB mode rather than CW, so that there will be no CW receive offset. In the case of a K2 I was calibrating, the VFO read 10000.17 when the signal was tuned in perfectly. If it had read 10000.00, no further improvement would have been possible. TIP: Zero-beat the carrier precisely, or listen to a voice signal and adjust the VFO for the best quality. The more accurately you tune in the signal, the more accurately you'll be able to set C22, below. 2. Run CAL FCTR. Now alternately move the K2's internal counter probe between TP1 (VCO) and TP2 (BFO), adjusting C22 in small increments until the kHz and Hz digits at the two test points match as closely as possible. In my case, the two readings matched at 14913.60 and 4913.60. The difference is exactly 10000.00--the frequency of the on-air signal. 3. Put the counter probe on TP1 (VCO), switch to 40 meters, and run CAL PLL. 4. Put the probe on TP2 (BFO) and run CAL FIL. For each operating mode, vary each filter (or BFO) setting up 1 count, then back down, to force the K2 to take a new BFO measurement for each and store it in EEPROM. The VFO dial should now be very well calibrated. If we get a lot of positive feedback on this method, we'll post it as an application note. 73, Wayne N6KR -------------------------------------------- It's a mystery how the old CAL PLL procedure got put in there... Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Confusion reigns!!!
There are 2 articles on the Elecraft website about setting C22. One is old (it even says 'updated', but says to run CAL PLL on all bands - don't use that one!! Instead, download the Frequency Calibrating the K2's 4 MHz Master Oscillator (C22).pdf article in the "What's New" section of the Builder's Resource area -- THAT IS the N6KR method that you need. Wayne's original posting content is on my website too www.qsl.net/w3fpr. I guess Eric missed deleting the old procedure when the new one was posted. Forgive him, he has a lot of stuff going on. 73, Don W3FPR ----- Original Message ----- Egad! Thanks for catching that error Mike! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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