K2 SPLIT MODE AND LOGGER 32

[G4BUE]

A few days ago I asked if anything could be done to prevent the K2
being switched out of Split mode when I click on a DX Cluster spot in
Logger 32.

As a result of the replies from K8DD, KD0ZV, WG4S and W3FPR, I asked
the Logger 32 Development Team about the problem.  I have just
received the e-mail below from Geoff, G3NPA.

I haven't approached the N1MM Logger team about the problem (as the
same thing happens when I click on a DX Cluster spot in that program)
as I anticipate their reply will be much the same as Geoff's.

I seem to be going round in circles and guess I will have to learn to
live with the problem - a pity because this is the first time that
using my three K2s at two different QTHs has caused me not to like
something about using them.

73 de Chris, G4BUE

From:           "Geoff Anderson" <[hidden email]>
To:             <[hidden email]>
Copies to:       "Hal Miller" <[hidden email]>
Subject:         Re: LOGGER32
Date sent:       Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:29:03 -0000

> Is there any way round this so that the K2 stays in Split mode
> when I click on a spot, please?

The answer to your question is basically no.  The K2 uses the same
command set as the Kenwood series of radios and in that case also the
FR command will take the set out of split mode.  It is a function of
the radio and not Logger32.

Incidentally Logger32 does NOT support split mode working either -
but that is a slightly different matter

73 de Geoff
G3NPA
[hidden email]

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[Brian Mury-3]

On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 15:44 +0000, Chris Page wrote:
> The answer to your question is basically no.  The K2 uses the same
> command set as the Kenwood series of radios and in that case also the
> FR command will take the set out of split mode.  It is a function of
> the radio and not Logger32.

Well, not really. The FR command gets/sets the receive VFO, and will
cancel split. However, there is also the FT command which gets/sets the
transmit VFO, and can put the K2 in split mode. There are also the FA
and FB commands which get/set the VFO A and B frequencies without
changing the split mode.

The K2 can support this, Logger32 doesn't - and won't, because Bob
Furzer doesn't like split operation and feels very strongly about it (I
know, I'm on the Logger32 development team).
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[G4BUE]

Thanks for your helpful explanation Brian, but this talk of split
operation is slightly misleading from what I am asking for.  

When I am operating normally (not split operation), I prefer to use
the large VFO knob of the K2 (instead of the smaller RIT knob) to
tune the received station in if it is slightly off my transmit
frequency.  To do this I have to put the K2 into split mode.

If I have understood what you have said correctly, if the FA command
was used (instead of the FR command), then this would set the VFO A
frequency without taking the K2 out of split mode?  By not using  the
FB command, I assume the VFO B frequency would not be set, thus
stopping true split operation?

If that is the case, then can I ask you on behalf of me (and other K2
users who prefer using the VFO knob to the RIT knob), to use your
influence on the Logger 32 Development Team to try and persuade them
to use the FA command (instead of the FR command) to set the VFO A
frequency.  

I don't mind them not using the FB command and not being able to have
true split operation if that is what they want.

73 de Chris, G4BUE

On 15 Mar 2006 at 12:09, Brian Mury wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 15:44 +0000, Chris Page wrote:
> > The answer to your question is basically no.  The K2 uses the same
> > command set as the Kenwood series of radios and in that case also
> > the FR command will take the set out of split mode.  It is a
> > function of the radio and not Logger32.
>
> Well, not really. The FR command gets/sets the receive VFO, and will
> cancel split. However, there is also the FT command which gets/sets
> the transmit VFO, and can put the K2 in split mode. There are also the
> FA and FB commands which get/set the VFO A and B frequencies without
> changing the split mode.
>
> The K2 can support this, Logger32 doesn't - and won't, because Bob
> Furzer doesn't like split operation and feels very strongly about it
> (I know, I'm on the Logger32 development team).
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[Don Wilhelm-3]

Chris,

I have to take issue with the response you received from Geoff -  The K2
command set is a SUPERSET of the Kenwood command set.  The K2 also
implements commands that would allow the K2 to remain in split if they are
properly used, but the program authors have chosen not to support the K2
separately from Kenwood, and have also chosen not to support split
operation.

Again, the cancelling of split is NOT a function of the K2, but a function
of the way Logger 32 has chosen to handle the K2 --- in other words Logger
32 issues explicit commands that cancel split, and it is not necessary to do
that (i.e. the program IS explicitly cancelling split).

73,
Don W3FPR


> -----Original Message-----
>....Response to Chris from Geoff .....

> The answer to your question is basically no.  The K2 uses the same
> command set as the Kenwood series of radios and in that case also the
> FR command will take the set out of split mode.  It is a function of
> the radio and not Logger32.
>
>

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[John Huffman-2]

I believe the DXLab suite does what you want.  Double click on a spot in
Spotcollector and if the spot lists a split frequency -

- Commander puts the K2 into split mode with VFO A on the DX and VFO B on the
split frequency,
- the DXKeeper log is filled out with information from QRZ on-line,
- DXView tells you if the DX is needed for an award,
- Spotcollector tells you if the DX uses LotW,
- Pathfinder looks up the QSL manager,
- Propview give you the propagation forecast for the path between you and the
DX.

Not bad for a double click.  Besides, it's all free.

73 de NA8M
John

> When I am operating normally (not split operation), I prefer to use
> the large VFO knob of the K2 (instead of the smaller RIT knob) to
> tune the received station in if it is slightly off my transmit
> frequency.  To do this I have to put the K2 into split mode.

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[Brian Mury-3]

On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 19:19 +0000, Chris Page wrote:
> I prefer to use the large VFO knob of the K2 (instead of the smaller
> RIT knob)

> If I have understood what you have said correctly, if the FA command
> was used (instead of the FR command), then this would set the VFO A
> frequency without taking the K2 out of split mode?  By not using  the
> FB command, I assume the VFO B frequency would not be set, thus
> stopping true split operation?

No, you've misunderstood the difference between FR/FT and FA/FB. FR/FT
tell the radio which VFO to use for receive/transmit; they don't change
the frequency. FA/FB set the frequency for VFO A/B, but neither enable
nor disable split operation. FR disables split operation. FT will enable
or disable split operation depending on whether or not you set it to the
same VFO as FR.

When you click on a DX Spot in Logger32, it uses FR to set the radio to
VFO A, and FA to set the frequency. Both commands are required.

What you want would require using both FR and FT to set receive and
transmit to separate VFOs, and using both FA and FB to set both VFOs to
the same frequency.

Of course, since not everyone would want this behaviour, this would
require a configuration option to allow the user to turn it on and off.
Bob may decide this falls too far into the bells & whistles category and
decline, or he may decide to implement it - but I'll ask.
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[Brian Mury-3]

On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 19:19 +0000, Chris Page wrote:
> When I am operating normally (not split operation), I prefer to use
> the large VFO knob of the K2 (instead of the smaller RIT knob) to
> tune the received station in if it is slightly off my transmit
> frequency.  To do this I have to put the K2 into split mode.

Having thought about this a bit more since my previous reply, it seems
to me that you have just clicked on a DX Spot, and the station isn't
quite on frequency, you would want to zero beat both transmit and
receive frequencies to the other station, *then* use either RIT or split
to fine tune the receive frequency if necessary.

Am I wrong, and if so, why?
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[Bill Coleman-2]

On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Brian Mury wrote:

> The K2 can support this, Logger32 doesn't - and won't, because Bob
> Furzer doesn't like split operation and feels very strongly about  
> it (I
> know, I'm on the Logger32 development team).

That seems like a very narrow-minded view. Split operation is a fact.  
In certain circumstances, it makes contacts possible that otherwise  
could not happen. (eg major and minor DXpeditions, international 40m  
phone contacts with the USA, many international 80m phone contacts, etc)

A general-purpose logging program ought to make this possible, and  
even convenient for the user.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: [hidden email]
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