K2 tuner and G5RV
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Here in the dead of winter I am thinking about spring antenna projects. One of
the antennas that I am considering is a basic 102 ft G5RV. I would be interested in hearing about any experience that anyone has had with this antenna and a K2 (QRP) with the internal antenna tuner. Is the tuner able to provide a match on all bands from 80 to 10? (I don't work 60 meters). Thanks in advance for any information that you might have to share. 73, Paul - N8XMS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I second Gerald. The Zs6 is a much more efficient antenna and provides a better balance of performance. I got DXCC on the G5RV but I got DXCC - QRP on the ZS6BKW. I took comparative measurements of SWR using an AA-200 analyzer between the two and you can read it on my blog at http://www.ny4g.blogspot.com.
The ZS6BKW is not a perfect antenna but it is the least imperfect of the simple single wire antennas IMHO. If you want a better multiband, you can try the super loop but it is a multiple wire delta loop. The K2 will tune a G5RV but your ERP will be better on the ZS6 Ariel NY4G Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Gerald Manthey" <[hidden email]> wrote: > I would prefer the ZS6BKW , it is a improved G5RV. Google it and I think > you will be impressed compared to the G5RV 102. > Just my option. > Gerald- KC6CNN > On Feb 13, 2013 4:14 PM, "Paul and Sue Huff" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Here in the dead of winter I am thinking about spring antenna projects. >> One of the antennas that I am considering is a basic 102 ft G5RV. I would >> be interested in hearing about any experience that anyone has had with this >> antenna and a K2 (QRP) with the internal antenna tuner. Is the tuner able >> to provide a match on all bands from 80 to 10? (I don't work 60 meters). >> >> Thanks in advance for any information that you might have to share. >> >> 73, >> Paul - N8XMS >> >> ______________________________**______________________________**__ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm<http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> >> Post: mailto:[hidden email].**net <[hidden email]> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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And better yet on a Zepp
Gary On 14 February 2013 11:23, Ariel Jacala <[hidden email]> wrote: > I second Gerald. The Zs6 is a much more efficient antenna and provides a > better balance of performance. I got DXCC on the G5RV but I got DXCC - > QRP on the ZS6BKW. I took comparative measurements of SWR using an AA-200 > analyzer between the two and you can read it on my blog at > http://www.ny4g.blogspot.com. > > The ZS6BKW is not a perfect antenna but it is the least imperfect of the > simple single wire antennas IMHO. If you want a better multiband, you can > try the super loop but it is a multiple wire delta loop. > > The K2 will tune a G5RV but your ERP will be better on the ZS6 > > Ariel NY4G > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Gerald Manthey" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I would prefer the ZS6BKW , it is a improved G5RV. Google it and I think > > you will be impressed compared to the G5RV 102. > > Just my option. > > Gerald- KC6CNN > > On Feb 13, 2013 4:14 PM, "Paul and Sue Huff" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> Here in the dead of winter I am thinking about spring antenna projects. > >> One of the antennas that I am considering is a basic 102 ft G5RV. I > would > >> be interested in hearing about any experience that anyone has had with > this > >> antenna and a K2 (QRP) with the internal antenna tuner. Is the tuner > able > >> to provide a match on all bands from 80 to 10? (I don't work 60 > meters). > >> > >> Thanks in advance for any information that you might have to share. > >> > >> 73, > >> Paul - N8XMS > >> > >> ______________________________**______________________________**__ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft< > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm< > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > >> Post: mailto:[hidden email].**net <[hidden email]> > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- *Gary - VK1ZZ Skype: Gary.VK1ZZ Motorhome Portable The Shack* *Elecraft K3 P3 Panadapter KPA500FT KAT500FT** KX3-K * ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Gary,
Please provide a better definition of what you think a "Zepp" antenna is. There are many variants. The classic Zepp was a half wave wire with a 1/4 wave transmission line that was deployed behind lighter than air aircraft (Zeppelin). That is similar to a J-pole 'on its side'. Zepp antenna is a term that has been modified by hams for years and the result is that it is not a well defined term. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/13/2013 7:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > And better yet on a Zepp > > Gary > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Extended Double Zepp?
Sent, as to how? Who cares! On Feb 14, 2013, at 0:43, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: > Gary, > > Please provide a better definition of what you think a "Zepp" antenna is. There are many variants. > The classic Zepp was a half wave wire with a 1/4 wave transmission line that was deployed behind lighter than air aircraft (Zeppelin). That is similar to a J-pole 'on its side'. > > Zepp antenna is a term that has been modified by hams for years and the result is that it is not a well defined term. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/13/2013 7:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> And better yet on a Zepp >> >> Gary > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Ariel,
Please explain to me how your SWR measurements translate to ERP. There are a whole bunch of things potentially between your rig and the antenna. Then of course there is antenna pattern. I once had a summer job at Airborne Instruments Labs. Part of the "summer trainee" job was to listen to lectures from some of the engineers. One particular engineer knew hams worshiped SWR. He showed us their latest satellite antenna. It had a 5:1 SWR few relative to 50 ohms. Their measurments showed no measurable loss due to mismatch. Why? The length of the feedline was 6". 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/14/2013 00:23, Ariel Jacala wrote: > I second Gerald. The Zs6 is a much more efficient antenna and provides a better balance of performance. I got DXCC on the G5RV but I got DXCC - QRP on the ZS6BKW. I took comparative measurements of SWR using an AA-200 analyzer between the two and you can read it on my blog at http://www.ny4g.blogspot.com. > > The ZS6BKW is not a perfect antenna but it is the least imperfect of the simple single wire antennas IMHO. If you want a better multiband, you can try the super loop but it is a multiple wire delta loop. > > The K2 will tune a G5RV but your ERP will be better on the ZS6 > > Ariel NY4G > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Gerald Manthey" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I would prefer the ZS6BKW , it is a improved G5RV. Google it and I think >> you will be impressed compared to the G5RV 102. >> Just my option. >> Gerald- KC6CNN >> On Feb 13, 2013 4:14 PM, "Paul and Sue Huff" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Here in the dead of winter I am thinking about spring antenna projects. >>> One of the antennas that I am considering is a basic 102 ft G5RV. I would >>> be interested in hearing about any experience that anyone has had with this >>> antenna and a K2 (QRP) with the internal antenna tuner. Is the tuner able >>> to provide a match on all bands from 80 to 10? (I don't work 60 meters). >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any information that you might have to share. >>> >>> 73, >>> Paul - N8XMS >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________**__ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm<http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email].**net <[hidden email]> >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5601 - Release Date: 02/13/13 > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5601 - Release Date: 02/13/13 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Sorry Don, I use a 40M Double extended Zepp, when I can find a couple of
tall trees with nothing in between. Not easy in a country where the National Average Height for trees is an amazing 5 metres high...:-) *Getting* the height is easy, *finding* the trees is a little more difficult. 73 Gary On 14 February 2013 12:20, Brian Alsop <[hidden email]> wrote: > Ariel, > > Please explain to me how your SWR measurements translate to ERP. > > There are a whole bunch of things potentially between your rig and the > antenna. Then of course there is antenna pattern. > > I once had a summer job at Airborne Instruments Labs. Part of the "summer > trainee" job was to listen to lectures from some of the engineers. > > One particular engineer knew hams worshiped SWR. He showed us their > latest satellite antenna. It had a 5:1 SWR few relative to 50 ohms. Their > measurments showed no measurable loss due to mismatch. Why? The length of > the feedline was 6". > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > > On 2/14/2013 00:23, Ariel Jacala wrote: > >> I second Gerald. The Zs6 is a much more efficient antenna and provides a >> better balance of performance. I got DXCC on the G5RV but I got DXCC - >> QRP on the ZS6BKW. I took comparative measurements of SWR using an AA-200 >> analyzer between the two and you can read it on my blog at >> http://www.ny4g.blogspot.com. >> >> The ZS6BKW is not a perfect antenna but it is the least imperfect of the >> simple single wire antennas IMHO. If you want a better multiband, you can >> try the super loop but it is a multiple wire delta loop. >> >> The K2 will tune a G5RV but your ERP will be better on the ZS6 >> >> Ariel NY4G >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 13, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Gerald Manthey" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> I would prefer the ZS6BKW , it is a improved G5RV. Google it and I think >>> you will be impressed compared to the G5RV 102. >>> Just my option. >>> Gerald- KC6CNN >>> On Feb 13, 2013 4:14 PM, "Paul and Sue Huff" <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Here in the dead of winter I am thinking about spring antenna projects. >>>> One of the antennas that I am considering is a basic 102 ft G5RV. I >>>> would >>>> be interested in hearing about any experience that anyone has had with >>>> this >>>> antenna and a K2 (QRP) with the internal antenna tuner. Is the tuner >>>> able >>>> to provide a match on all bands from 80 to 10? (I don't work 60 >>>> meters). >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any information that you might have to share. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Paul - N8XMS >>>> >>>> ______________________________****____________________________**__**__ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/****mailman/listinfo/elecraft<http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft> >>>> <http**://mailman.qth.net/mailman/**listinfo/elecraft<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> >>>> > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.****htm<http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm> >>>> <http://mailman.qth.net/**mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email].****net <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> ______________________________**______________________________**__ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm<http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email].**net <[hidden email]> >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> ______________________________**______________________________**__ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm<http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> >> Post: mailto:[hidden email].**net <[hidden email]> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5601 - Release Date: 02/13/13 >> >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5601 - Release Date: 02/13/13 > > > ______________________________**______________________________**__ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm<http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > Post: mailto:[hidden email].**net <[hidden email]> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- *Gary - VK1ZZ Skype: Gary.VK1ZZ Motorhome Portable The Shack* *Elecraft K3 P3 Panadapter KPA500FT KAT500FT** KX3-K * ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I use a 102 ft G5RV on all freqs from 3 MHz to 29 MHz, of course with a tuner.
Besides the amateur freqs I am on MARS and the marine freqs. Jack W4GRJ On Feb 13, 2013, at 17:14, "Paul and Sue Huff" <[hidden email]> wrote: Here in the dead of winter I am thinking about spring antenna projects. One of the antennas that I am considering is a basic 102 ft G5RV. I would be interested in hearing about any experience that anyone has had with this antenna and a K2 (QRP) with the internal antenna tuner. Is the tuner able to provide a match on all bands from 80 to 10? (I don't work 60 meters). Thanks in advance for any information that you might have to share. 73, Paul - N8XMS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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