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John Huffman-3

K3/0 and CW

I'm setting up a K3/0-Mini to control my K3 remotely. I would like to
use an external keyer (Logikeyer) since I don't like the timing of the
RemoteRig keyer. I have questions.

Does the KEY jack on the back of the K3/0-Mini do anything? If it
operates like a straight key I could send my keyer output to that jack.

I've seen suggestions to modify the cable to the I/O jack on the
RemoteRig box and insert the keyer output there. Does this interfere
with the other I/O functions of the K3/0-Mini?

73 de K1ESE
John
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Re: K3/0 and CW

John: If you are using the "Quadrapus cable set" that Elecraft sells for
the K3/0-RRC1258 combo, I believe the answer is "Yes." I remote to W7RN
using my K3 and don't have a K3/0 but I've coached others who do get
their configuration right and that's how they do it. Pin 4 of the RJ45
I/O connector on the back of the 1258 is the key line [pin 8 is ground]
and you can use it instead, however the Elecraft cable set takes care of
all the interconnections for you.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/22/2019 3:04 AM, John Huffman wrote:

> I'm setting up a K3/0-Mini to control my K3 remotely. I would like to
> use an external keyer (Logikeyer) since I don't like the timing of the
> RemoteRig keyer. I have questions.
>
> Does the KEY jack on the back of the K3/0-Mini do anything? If it
> operates like a straight key I could send my keyer output to that jack.
>
> I've seen suggestions to modify the cable to the I/O jack on the
> RemoteRig box and insert the keyer output there. Does this interfere
> with the other I/O functions of the K3/0-Mini?
>
> 73 de K1ESE
> John

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John Huffman-3

Re: K3/0 and CW

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Mitch -

That has worked for other radios and my RemoteRig box, but the K3/0-Mini
has a connector that is already plugged into the I/O jack. I tried
taking it out and using the connector I used with other radios, but that
didn't work. I wonder if I disconnect pin 4 from the Elecraft connector
and instead connect my keyer output to pin 4 if that will do damage or
disrupt the operation of the K3/0-Mini?

73,
John

On 7/22/2019 12:59 PM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX wrote:

> John,
>
> You need to use the RRC's I/O port. See the RemoteRig manual pages 94,
> 95 and 242 (Appendix B) for details. This will not affect the K3/0 mini.
>
> 73,
> Mitch
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> On 22.07.2019 06:04, John Huffman wrote:
>> I'm setting up a K3/0-Mini to control my K3 remotely. I would like to
>> use an external keyer (Logikeyer) since I don't like the timing of the
>> RemoteRig keyer. I have questions.
>>
>> Does the KEY jack on the back of the K3/0-Mini do anything? If it
>> operates like a straight key I could send my keyer output to that jack.
>>
>> I've seen suggestions to modify the cable to the I/O jack on the
>> RemoteRig box and insert the keyer output there. Does this interfere
>> with the other I/O functions of the K3/0-Mini?
>>
>> 73 de K1ESE
>> John
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k6dgw

Re: K3/0 and CW

Ummm ... sometimes we tend to inflate the magnitude of a problem ...
just try it out. Plug a straight key [or your keyer] into the KEY jack
on the K3/0 and see if it works. I believe the odds are way better than
even that it will, especially if the cable plugged into the 1258 I/O
jack is part of the "quadrapus" cable set that Elecraft sells for
exactly this purpose.

I do not have a K3/0, I operate W7RN remotely with my K3, and the I/O
RJ45 on the back of my 1258 is empty, so I key using pin 4. However,
I've coached several with K3/0's to get configured properly for W7RN and
they plug the key, bug, or keyer into the KEY jack.

Try it out ... we're Amateurs, what could go wrong?

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/22/2019 12:47 PM, John Huffman wrote:

> Mitch -
>
> That has worked for other radios and my RemoteRig box, but the
> K3/0-Mini has a connector that is already plugged into the I/O jack.
> I tried taking it out and using the connector I used with other
> radios, but that didn't work. I wonder if I disconnect pin 4 from the
> Elecraft connector and instead connect my keyer output to pin 4 if
> that will do damage or disrupt the operation of the K3/0-Mini?
>
> 73,
> John
>

John Huffman-3

Re: K3/0 and CW

In reply to this post by John Huffman-3

SUCCESS! I now have the external keyer working with the K3/0-Mini and
RemoteRig boxes. Many thanks to Chuck N8CL for sending me his settings.

Here's what he sent.

I/O:
INO mode=keyer
out 0=keyer
out1=keyer
out2=keyer
USB RTS as PTT=com 0
USB DTR as PTT=com 0

Keyer:
enable=yes
iambic=b
all those number entries in order: 30/600/40/100/50/10/40

Serial:
com 1 mode = mode 7, cat to com 2 (remote)
com 1 baud 38,400
data=8
stop=1
parity=0
com 1 RTS/cts=no
hex=00
USB com port as com 1 = yes
com 2 mode=logical parallel with com 0
baud=38400
8-1-0
hex=00
USB com port as com 2=no
com 3(extra) mode (USB-com fsk)=mode-10 baudot rtty

I have no idea which ones worked, but the end result is that if I plug
the output of the external keyer into the KEY jack on the back of the
K3/0-Mini it works.

The next challenge is to get the RemoteRig client box to send frequency
data to N1MM+ on my computer. Help always appreciated.

73 de K1ESE
John

On 7/22/2019 6:04 AM, John Huffman wrote:

k6dgw

Re: K3/0 and CW

OK John, congrats on getting it to work. Most of those settings do not
apply to keying, but some will apply to getting N1MM+ working.

Without N1MM+, unplug the USB cable from the front panel of the 1258.
Get into Control Panel-->Device Mangler-->Ports and plug in the USB
connector to the computer.
You should see 4 virtual COM ports appear, named:

RRC1258 COM0(XX)
RRC1258 COM1(YY)
RRC1258 COM2(ZZ)
RRC1258 COM Extra(UU)

The number in parens is the number assigned by Windows. The RRC1258
COM1 port is the CAT port to the remote radio. Start N1MM+ and go to
Configure-->Ports. If you get a "Radio not responding" message, cancel
it. In the first configuration line, select "YY" [windows assigned port
for RRC1258 COM1], K3, uncheck, uncheck, and click on Set.

In the window that comes up, 38400, N, 8, 1, Always Off, Always Off,
Radio 1. Uncheck Allow ext interrupts, uncheck the next 4 boxes,
Footswitch=None, Polling rate=50% slower, OK. The next row should be
for your Winkey if you're using one. Find the COM port # by unplugging
and see which one goes away in Device Mangler and select it. None,
check CW, Set. In set window, Always off, Always off, VFO 1, PTT
Delay=20, uncheck ext interrupts, and check Winkey if that's what you're
using, and None, None, OK

Close N1MM+ and restart. That should do it for you. Remote operation
involves a lot of "moving parts." The odds of getting it to work on the
first try are slim, if you do, go buy a lottery ticket. The CAT on the
remote K3 must be 38400, N, 8, 1. Nearly all of the buttons and
controls on the K3/0 should work as if you were at the real radio site
including the MIC and PHONES connectors. I'm not sure you can record CW
or Phone messages in the memories from the control site, I've never
tried because W7RN is a shared multi-user site. Typing a frequency into
the N1MM+ CALL field in the Entry window will [or should] send you to
that band/frequency.

Let us know your progress.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/25/2019 1:39 PM, John Huffman wrote:

> SUCCESS! I now have the external keyer working with the K3/0-Mini and
> RemoteRig boxes. Many thanks to Chuck N8CL for sending me his settings.
>
> Here's what he sent.
>
> I/O:
> INO mode=keyer
> out 0=keyer
> out1=keyer
> out2=keyer
> USB RTS as PTT=com 0
> USB DTR as PTT=com 0
>
> Keyer:
> enable=yes
> iambic=b
> all those number entries in order: 30/600/40/100/50/10/40
>
> Serial:
> com 1 mode = mode 7, cat to com 2 (remote)
> com 1 baud 38,400
> data=8
> stop=1
> parity=0
> com 1 RTS/cts=no
> hex=00
> USB com port as com 1 = yes
> com 2 mode=logical parallel with com 0
> baud=38400
> 8-1-0
> hex=00
> USB com port as com 2=no
> com 3(extra) mode (USB-com fsk)=mode-10 baudot rtty
>
> I have no idea which ones worked, but the end result is that if I plug
> the output of the external keyer into the KEY jack on the back of the
> K3/0-Mini it works.
>
> The next challenge is to get the RemoteRig client box to send
> frequency data to N1MM+ on my computer. Help always appreciated.
>
> 73 de K1ESE
> John