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K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Gary Bartlett VE1RGB
All functions of K3/100 #095 work flawlessly (within the rig's current
limitations) and the radio now communicates with a laptop for FW updates.
Now for rig control.

 Has anyone out there made their K3 work with DX4WIN and/or N1MM that could
either provide the setup parameters, or at least point me in the direction
to find same?  If no answer here, then I'll go to the logging programs
sites.

    Gary, VE1RGB
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RE: K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Don Nesbitt
Gary - K3 #83 works great with N1MM.

Some of the features like "Wide and Narrow" filter switching are not yet
coded for the K3 in N1MM but the basics - freq set, band-map click, cw
keying, etc. work well.  It's very nice to just use a single RS-232
straight-thru cable between the K3 and the laptop for CW keying.

My settings in N1MM Config:

COM 7 set to K3 (your com will likely be different)

CW/Other block checked

Set:  4800, N, 8, 1, DTR = CW, RTS = PTT, Radio/VFO nr =1, Radio PTT Delay =
30, Radio PTT via command block checked

CONFIG Menu setting in K3 > PTT-KEY = rts-dtr, RS232 = 4800 b

Voila!  While I have not tried it, others have reported that you can set the
baud rate much higher as long as it is the same on both the K3 and in the
N1MM config.  Frankly, it behaves so well at the default that I've just left
it there!

Have fun -- 73 es gud dxing/contesting!  -- Don N4HH K3 #83

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

<SNIP>.

 Has anyone out there made their K3 work with DX4WIN and/or N1MM that could
either provide the setup parameters, or at least point me in the direction
to find same?  If no answer here, then I'll go to the logging programs
sites.

    Gary, VE1RGB
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Re: K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Vic K2VCO
In reply to this post by Gary Bartlett VE1RGB
Gary Bartlett VE1RGB wrote:
> All functions of K3/100 #095 work flawlessly (within the rig's current
> limitations) and the radio now communicates with a laptop for FW
> updates. Now for rig control.
>
> Has anyone out there made their K3 work with DX4WIN and/or N1MM that
> could either provide the setup parameters, or at least point me in the
> direction to find same?  If no answer here, then I'll go to the logging
> programs sites.

With respect to N1MM, there's nothing to it.  Just go to the options
section and select Elecraft K3 as the radio type.

The default baud rate is 4800, but you can change this if you wish; just
change it in the K3's CONFIG menu as well.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Vic K2VCO
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Don Nesbitt wrote:

> Set:  4800, N, 8, 1, DTR = CW, RTS = PTT, Radio/VFO nr =1, Radio PTT Delay =
> 30, Radio PTT via command block checked

If you decide to use DTR/RTS, be aware that your computer may raise
these lines during bootup. So if you are in CW mode when you boot your
computer, you may unexpectedly transmit a dash or two.

I found the DTR CW to work very well, and I could get rid of the
parallel port interface I was using for computer-generated CW. I don't
use the PTT, just selecting full or semi QSK on the K3.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
K3 no. 00007
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RE: K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Don Nesbitt
Yep - this is true - not only that, but be aware if you are using DTR/RTS to
send code from N1MM (I presume other software as well) that even if you have
NOT turned VOX to the ON position on the K3, the DTR/RTS keying in
conjunction with ENABLING the PTT control in N1MM Config, will put your RF
into the ether when N1MM Function keys are used!  Nice - but - read on:

Then, when you reach for your paddle to send a correction nothing will make
it to the air UNLESS you have enabled VOX on the K3!  You will wonder why
the other station keeps asking and finally gives up!  Been there, done that
and have the T-shirt!  73 -- Don
 

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From: Vic K2VCO [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:06 PM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: 'Gary Bartlett VE1RGB'; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Don Nesbitt wrote:

> Set:  4800, N, 8, 1, DTR = CW, RTS = PTT, Radio/VFO nr =1, Radio PTT Delay
=
> 30, Radio PTT via command block checked

If you decide to use DTR/RTS, be aware that your computer may raise
these lines during bootup. So if you are in CW mode when you boot your
computer, you may unexpectedly transmit a dash or two.

I found the DTR CW to work very well, and I could get rid of the
parallel port interface I was using for computer-generated CW. I don't
use the PTT, just selecting full or semi QSK on the K3.

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Re: K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Vic K2VCO
Don Nesbitt wrote:

> Yep - this is true - not only that, but be aware if you are using DTR/RTS to
> send code from N1MM (I presume other software as well) that even if you have
> NOT turned VOX to the ON position on the K3, the DTR/RTS keying in
> conjunction with ENABLING the PTT control in N1MM Config, will put your RF
> into the ether when N1MM Function keys are used!  Nice - but - read on:
>
> Then, when you reach for your paddle to send a correction nothing will make
> it to the air UNLESS you have enabled VOX on the K3!  You will wonder why
> the other station keeps asking and finally gives up!  Been there, done that
> and have the T-shirt!  73 -- Don

If you just enable DTR for CW and *not* RTS for PTT, you can avoid this!
The K3 works just fine this way.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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RE: K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Don Nesbitt
In reply to this post by Don Nesbitt
You know Gary, I have not done a very good job of covered all the bases here
- sorry 'bout that!

In order to avoid the scenario that I painted below, you could take a number
of steps.

For instance, in N1MM config, don't set RTS=PTT instead set RTS=Always Off,
and at the same time, don't put a check in the "Radio PTT via Command"
block.  Then, the N1MM function keys will not cause the K3 to generate RF to
the air UNLESS you have selected VOX on the K3 itself.  The function keys
will key the K3 so you can hear your messages but no RF will go out.

If you've selected VOX on the K3, then the function keys will happily key RF
to the ether and so will your paddle - embarrassing moment saved!

Or, you could set the K3 Config menu item PTT_KEY to OFF-dtr and then RF
would only go out if the K3 VOX was not set unless the N1MM Config was set
so that the "Radio PTT via Command" box was checked.

Nuff said!  You get the idea and I'll bet there are a lot of folks reading
this that are saying "enough already" or worse!  More info off list if
needed.  73 -- Don

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Nesbitt
<SNIP>

Yep - this is true - not only that, but be aware if you are using DTR/RTS to
send code from N1MM (I presume other software as well) that even if you have
NOT turned VOX to the ON position on the K3, the DTR/RTS keying in
conjunction with ENABLING the PTT control in N1MM Config, will put your RF
into the ether when N1MM Function keys are used!  Nice - but - read on:

Then, when you reach for your paddle to send a correction nothing will make
it to the air UNLESS you have enabled VOX on the K3!  You will wonder why
the other station keeps asking and finally gives up!  Been there, done that
and have the T-shirt!  73 -- Don
 

<SNIP>

Don Nesbitt wrote:

> Set:  4800, N, 8, 1, DTR = CW, RTS = PTT, Radio/VFO nr =1, Radio PTT Delay
=
> 30, Radio PTT via command block checked

If you decide to use DTR/RTS, be aware that your computer may raise
these lines during bootup. So if you are in CW mode when you boot your
computer, you may unexpectedly transmit a dash or two.

<SNIP>


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Re: K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM

Gary Bartlett VE1RGB
Thanks Don -- and all others.  I got a metric tonne of answers to my
question, direct and on the Reflector, and it is very gratifying to see that
the spirit of helpful support from the Elecraft community is still very much
alive and well!

Regarding DX4WIN, just for the info of others who may be interested, my
recollection is that the K2 had been on an earlier version of that software
but it seems to have disappeared from Version 7.03.16.  However, as noted
here earlier, if one selects the  Kenwood TS-850 from the Radio Type menu,
it runs fine at 9600 baud.  Maybe at other speeds too; I've yet to try them.

    As for N1MM, I will likely enable rig keying but generally I don't use
it for fear that I will grow to like it too much and thereafter lose my
fist.  Rig control will be my priority for contesting software.

    73,
    Gary, VE1RGB


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From: "Don Nesbitt" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Vic K2VCO'" <[hidden email]>; "'Gary Bartlett VE1RGB'"
<[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3/100 + DX4WIN & N1MM


> You know Gary, I have not done a very good job of covered all the bases
> here
> - sorry 'bout that!
>
> In order to avoid the scenario that I painted below, you could take a
> number
> of steps.
>
> For instance, in N1MM config, don't set RTS=PTT instead set RTS=Always
> Off,
> and at the same time, don't put a check in the "Radio PTT via Command"
> block.  Then, the N1MM function keys will not cause the K3 to generate RF
> to
> the air UNLESS you have selected VOX on the K3 itself.  The function keys
> will key the K3 so you can hear your messages but no RF will go out.
>
> If you've selected VOX on the K3, then the function keys will happily key
> RF
> to the ether and so will your paddle - embarrassing moment saved!
>
> Or, you could set the K3 Config menu item PTT_KEY to OFF-dtr and then RF
> would only go out if the K3 VOX was not set unless the N1MM Config was set
> so that the "Radio PTT via Command" box was checked.
>
> Nuff said!  You get the idea and I'll bet there are a lot of folks reading
> this that are saying "enough already" or worse!  More info off list if
> needed.  73 -- Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Nesbitt
> <SNIP>
>
> Yep - this is true - not only that, but be aware if you are using DTR/RTS
> to
> send code from N1MM (I presume other software as well) that even if you
> have
> NOT turned VOX to the ON position on the K3, the DTR/RTS keying in
> conjunction with ENABLING the PTT control in N1MM Config, will put your RF
> into the ether when N1MM Function keys are used!  Nice - but - read on:
>
> Then, when you reach for your paddle to send a correction nothing will
> make
> it to the air UNLESS you have enabled VOX on the K3!  You will wonder why
> the other station keeps asking and finally gives up!  Been there, done
> that
> and have the T-shirt!  73 -- Don
>
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Don Nesbitt wrote:
>
>> Set:  4800, N, 8, 1, DTR = CW, RTS = PTT, Radio/VFO nr =1, Radio PTT
>> Delay
> =
>> 30, Radio PTT via command block checked
>
> If you decide to use DTR/RTS, be aware that your computer may raise
> these lines during bootup. So if you are in CW mode when you boot your
> computer, you may unexpectedly transmit a dash or two.
>
> <SNIP>
>
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