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David Stratton

K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

My radio needs are very modest for I am not a contester,

or DXer, or even one who makes a lot of contacts but I

do listen quite a bit. I do like to have a fine radio and

presently own one - the Kenwood TS-830S. I have no

intention of parting with it. As far as modes go I operate

HF primarily SSB and PSK31. I am trying to improve

my CW ability however I have a problem with CW. Just

like some people have mic fright I have CW contact fright.

I like CW but I just can't do it and enjoy it. The final bit of

information is the fact that my wife hates amateur radio,

which causes me to occasionally put my radio in storage.

I will digest all the thoughtful comments many of you made

and make my decision. Although I do operate from home,

you can see that for me perhaps getting away to the local

state park or some other place away from home might provide

me with the best operating enjoyment. Doing that would be

best accomplished with the KX3.

Dave - KO4KL

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Matt Maguire

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

Hi David,

No need to stress about CW contacts -- just realise that the only critical thing you need to copy is the callsign. Ideally you'll also get a signal report, name and QTH as well. Of course you can ask for repeats, but consider if it is a casual contact and you miss those, what's the worst thing that could happen? No-one will even know except for you. So, just relax, try and get the basic info if you can, if not, don't worry, and treat everything else as gravy. And remember, you're free to say "TNX FER QSO 73" at any time :-)

Another way to build confidence might be to use a computer program called "Morse Runner". It simulates contest-style QSOs for you. Contesting may not be what you ultimately want to do, but the program will get you used to copying callsigns and signal reports (well, numbers at least).

As for K3 vs KX3, both are good options. The TS-830S is a nice radio with plenty of grunt -- do you have any of the optional CW filters for the TS-830S? If so, you already have a pretty good radio for casual home operation, and the KX3 will offer you a portability that you don't have now, plus a chance to play with some fun new things like the I/Q outputs. On the the hand, if you want a nice modern home base station, the K3-line is pretty attractive too.

Good luck, let us know which way you finally decide to jump.

73, Matt VK2ACL

On 14/03/2012, at 9:44 AM, David Stratton wrote:

> My radio needs are very modest for I am not a contester,
>
> or DXer, or even one who makes a lot of contacts but I
>
> do listen quite a bit. I do like to have a fine radio and
>
> presently own one - the Kenwood TS-830S. I have no
>
> intention of parting with it. As far as modes go I operate
>
> HF primarily SSB and PSK31. I am trying to improve
>
> my CW ability however I have a problem with CW. Just
>
> like some people have mic fright I have CW contact fright.
>
> I like CW but I just can't do it and enjoy it. The final bit of
>
> information is the fact that my wife hates amateur radio,
>
> which causes me to occasionally put my radio in storage.
>
>
>
> I will digest all the thoughtful comments many of you made
>
> and make my decision. Although I do operate from home,
>
> you can see that for me perhaps getting away to the local
>
> state park or some other place away from home might provide
>
> me with the best operating enjoyment. Doing that would be
>
> best accomplished with the KX3.
>
>
>
> Dave - KO4KL
>
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Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

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Matt Maguire

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

Good work! Keep at it. The decoding program may give you some extra confidence, which is great, and it will give you a feel for how operators use CW in practice. However I'd recommend to ditch it as soon as you can, since it is just a distraction to learning the code.

Concerning the abbreviations, etc. it is good to be aware of some of the common ones so you don't get thrown too much when they come at you, but you'll pick them up pretty quickly. The following guide is good for beginners and goes through operating procedure and common abbreviations:
http://www.netwalk.com/~fsv/CWguide.htm

73, Matt VK2ACL

On 14/03/2012, at 11:30 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:

> Great advice Matt. I had my first cw contact today. I was nervous but had a program to translate. I was proud when I was done, but had a patient op. What I learned was I need to learn the proper abbreviations to use. I find I want to try more now.
>
> On Mar 13, 2012 6:36 PM, "Matt Maguire" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> No need to stress about CW contacts -- just realise that the only critical thing you need to copy is the callsign. Ideally you'll also get a signal report, name and QTH as well. Of course you can ask for repeats, but consider if it is a casual contact and you miss those, what's the worst thing that could happen? No-one will even know except for you. So, just relax, try and get the basic info if you can, if not, don't worry, and treat everything else as gravy. And remember, you're free to say "TNX FER QSO 73" at any time :-)
>
> Another way to build confidence might be to use a computer program called "Morse Runner". It simulates contest-style QSOs for you. Contesting may not be what you ultimately want to do, but the program will get you used to copying callsigns and signal reports (well, numbers at least).
>
> As for K3 vs KX3, both are good options. The TS-830S is a nice radio with plenty of grunt -- do you have any of the optional CW filters for the TS-830S? If so, you already have a pretty good radio for casual home operation, and the KX3 will offer you a portability that you don't have now, plus a chance to play with some fun new things like the I/Q outputs. On the the hand, if you want a nice modern home base station, the K3-line is pretty attractive too.
>
> Good luck, let us know which way you finally decide to jump.
>
> 73, Matt VK2ACL
>
>
> On 14/03/2012, at 9:44 AM, David Stratton wrote:
>
> > My radio needs are very modest for I am not a contester,
> >
> > or DXer, or even one who makes a lot of contacts but I
> >
> > do listen quite a bit. I do like to have a fine radio and
> >
> > presently own one - the Kenwood TS-830S. I have no
> >
> > intention of parting with it. As far as modes go I operate
> >
> > HF primarily SSB and PSK31. I am trying to improve
> >
> > my CW ability however I have a problem with CW. Just
> >
> > like some people have mic fright I have CW contact fright.
> >
> > I like CW but I just can't do it and enjoy it. The final bit of
> >
> > information is the fact that my wife hates amateur radio,
> >
> > which causes me to occasionally put my radio in storage.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will digest all the thoughtful comments many of you made
> >
> > and make my decision. Although I do operate from home,
> >
> > you can see that for me perhaps getting away to the local
> >
> > state park or some other place away from home might provide
> >
> > me with the best operating enjoyment. Doing that would be
> >
> > best accomplished with the KX3.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave - KO4KL
> >
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K7TV

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

In reply to this post by David Stratton

Dave,

I have a KX3 for field test. There is something eerie, shocking, about how
something so tiny performs the way it does.
Great fun! But I guess one will eventually get used to it.

Some aspects that will stay with you: The KX3 is designed to sit on a table
top, Supported by its rear feet. The display is, at least for now, optimized
for viewing from below the perpendicular direction rather than straight on.
Great for something you move to different locations (hiding it from the view
of the xyl?) but, with wires hanging from the sides, it doesn't create the
look of a permanent installation. If you want to hook up a lot of things to
it at a given time, you are going to find unavoidable limitations that the
K3 doesn't have in terms of size and number of connectors etc.

The lack of a second independent receiver is a significant difference, but
the KX3 does have dual watch that covers a limited range, and there is no
extra charge for it. While you can get a built-in ATU with great range, you
only get one antenna connector for HF/6m. There again, if you build a
complex station you will have a lot of external things that make the KX3's
size advantage less important, and the xyl might find the collection of
equipment more unsightly than a single K3 box.

Firmware-wise the KX3 is where the K3 was years ago. CW and SSB work great,
but if you want FM or AM you will need to wait a little bit.

Bottom line: You really want both. The K3 is more expensive, but you could
perhaps offset the difference by picking up a used one, or a 10W model, and
enjoy it while KX3 production and refinement ramps up. BTW with the
conditions we now have on the
higher HF bands, it is really easy to work DX with 5 or 10W, even with a
poor antenna, as the KX3 has shown me. Years ago
someone gave me a little 3 ft baseloaded whip made by Maldol. I hid the
shameful thing away in a drawer, knowing that it will
radiate only a very tiny fraction of the applied power. Now I tried it for
the first time (on the KX3, outdoors) and worked Japan on CW on the first
call. Like I said, there is something unreal about it... It definitely gives
you more opportunities for hamming.

73,
Erik K7TV

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

My radio needs are very modest for I am not a contester,

or DXer, or even one who makes a lot of contacts but I

do listen quite a bit. I do like to have a fine radio and

presently own one - the Kenwood TS-830S. I have no

intention of parting with it. As far as modes go I operate

HF primarily SSB and PSK31. I am trying to improve

my CW ability however I have a problem with CW. Just

like some people have mic fright I have CW contact fright.

I like CW but I just can't do it and enjoy it. The final bit of

information is the fact that my wife hates amateur radio,

which causes me to occasionally put my radio in storage.

I will digest all the thoughtful comments many of you made

and make my decision. Although I do operate from home,

you can see that for me perhaps getting away to the local

state park or some other place away from home might provide

me with the best operating enjoyment. Doing that would be

best accomplished with the KX3.

Dave - KO4KL

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Edward R Cole

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

In reply to this post by David Stratton

Erik K7TV states:
"Firmware-wise the KX3 is where the K3 was years ago. CW and SSB work great,
but if you want FM or AM you will need to wait a little bit."

What? Here is what I read at the top of the KX3 listing:

160-6 meters, SSB/CW/DATA/AM/FM modes
I will be sorely disappointed if it is not capable of FM use with my
144-28 transverter. I can wait for the KX3-2M module but not for
having FM. If this is so then I hope this will be added, soon. This
is hard to believe, really?

I can use the K3, of course, but then it is not available for other
use. I was planning the KX3 to be able to monitor 2m and 6m while I
operate my K3 on other bands/modes.

73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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wayne burdick

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

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Edward R. Cole wrote:

> I can wait for the KX3-2M module but not for FM.

Ed,

The problem is that we can't do everything at once....we have to
prioritize which firmware features to add when.

FM will be added very shortly after first production shipments start,
so you'll be able to use it on 10 and 6 meters. The MCU code to
support FM and repeaters is already in place, since it was ported from
the K3. The DSP, however, is a brand new one that has very low current
drain. It's totally different from the K3's DSP, so we have to rewrite
all of the low-level modulation/demodulation routines.

The 2-meter module should be ready for its first lab tests pretty soon.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Oliver Dröse

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

Taking the backlog into account that probably means it will be there and
working even before Ed (or me for that matter) even receives his KX3. ;-))

Keep up the good work Wayne, Eric, Lyle & all. And if you need a FT for the
2 m module please let me know. ;-))

Vy 73, Olli - DH8BQA
http://www.dh8bqa.de

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Burdick" <[hidden email]>
To: "Edward R. Cole" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

> Edward R. Cole wrote:
>
>> I can wait for the KX3-2M module but not for FM.
>
> Ed,
>
> The problem is that we can't do everything at once....we have to
> prioritize which firmware features to add when.
>
> FM will be added very shortly after first production shipments start,
> so you'll be able to use it on 10 and 6 meters. The MCU code to
> support FM and repeaters is already in place, since it was ported from
> the K3. The DSP, however, is a brand new one that has very low current
> drain. It's totally different from the K3's DSP, so we have to rewrite
> all of the low-level modulation/demodulation routines.
>
> The 2-meter module should be ready for its first lab tests pretty soon.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
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Andrew Moore-3

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

Is the viewing angle adjustable? Is so, by how much?

Is contrast adjustable? (or is that accomplished by changing the viewing
angle?)

While a "below the perpendicular" optimization works well for tabletop use,
I am concerned about mobile use - something I intend to do with the KX3.
The rig would likely be mounted with the display perpendicular to line of
sight (i.e., "flat on" view) -- or even such that viewing is above the
perpendicular (like when the rig is sitting on the floor/console area).

--Andrew, NV1B
..

K7TV> The display is, at least for now, optimized for viewing from below
the perpendicular direction rather than straight on
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K7TV

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

Andrew, my suggestion of a future adjustment possibility was not based on
any hard information, and just like you, I would be interested in hearing
from Wayne and colleagues on this topic. At this point I have not run across
any kind of adjustability for the display, but my schedule is hectic and I
haven't necessarily noticed everything in the menu. Here is what I can say,
based on how the FT radio works for me today. Overall, the display contrast
is excellent. For straight on viewing, it still looks good, with
(subjectively rated) 90% contrast. Above the perpendicular the contrast
falls rather rapidly. For mobile operation I would think the mobile mount
that sits on a gooseneck would allow you to adjust the radio orientation for
perfect contrast.

73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Moore
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:43 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

Is the viewing angle adjustable? Is so, by how much?

Is contrast adjustable? (or is that accomplished by changing the viewing
angle?)

While a "below the perpendicular" optimization works well for tabletop use,
I am concerned about mobile use - something I intend to do with the KX3.
The rig would likely be mounted with the display perpendicular to line of
sight (i.e., "flat on" view) -- or even such that viewing is above the
perpendicular (like when the rig is sitting on the floor/console area).

--Andrew, NV1B
..

K7TV> The display is, at least for now, optimized for viewing from below
the perpendicular direction rather than straight on
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wayne burdick

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

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Hi all,

The KX3's LCD is identical to the K3's, except that it its polarizer
optimized for "6 o'clock" viewing, similar to that of LCDs in digital
multimeters and other instruments with a top-facing display. Since the
LCD has a low muliplex rate, it has very high contrast, and as Erik
observed, works with a wide range of viewing angles -- but not from
above the display.

The contrast is not presently adjustable, but we can add this if
warranted. This may extend the range a bit further.

Wayne
N6KR

On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:

> Andrew, my suggestion of a future adjustment possibility was not
> based on
> any hard information, and just like you, I would be interested in
> hearing
> from Wayne and colleagues on this topic. At this point I have not
> run across
> any kind of adjustability for the display, but my schedule is hectic
> and I
> haven't necessarily noticed everything in the menu. Here is what I
> can say,
> based on how the FT radio works for me today. Overall, the display
> contrast
> is excellent. For straight on viewing, it still looks good, with
> (subjectively rated) 90% contrast. Above the perpendicular the
> contrast
> falls rather rapidly. For mobile operation I would think the mobile
> mount
> that sits on a gooseneck would allow you to adjust the radio
> orientation for
> perfect contrast.
>
> 73,
> Erik K7TV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:43 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 or KX3 with all the options
>
> Is the viewing angle adjustable? Is so, by how much?
>
> Is contrast adjustable? (or is that accomplished by changing the
> viewing
> angle?)
>
> While a "below the perpendicular" optimization works well for
> tabletop use,
> I am concerned about mobile use - something I intend to do with the
> KX3.
> The rig would likely be mounted with the display perpendicular to
> line of
> sight (i.e., "flat on" view) -- or even such that viewing is above the
> perpendicular (like when the rig is sitting on the floor/console
> area).
>
> --Andrew, NV1B
> ..
>
> K7TV> The display is, at least for now, optimized for viewing from
> below
> the perpendicular direction rather than straight on
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

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And it looks great when viewed straight on.

73,

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On 3/14/2012 5:51 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The KX3's LCD is identical to the K3's, except that it its polarizer
> optimized for "6 o'clock" viewing, similar to that of LCDs in digital
> multimeters and other instruments with a top-facing display. Since the
> LCD has a low muliplex rate, it has very high contrast, and as Erik
> observed, works with a wide range of viewing angles -- but not from
> above the display.
>
> The contrast is not presently adjustable, but we can add this if
> warranted. This may extend the range a bit further.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
>
>> Andrew, my suggestion of a future adjustment possibility was not
>> based on
>> any hard information, and just like you, I would be interested in
>> hearing
>> from Wayne and colleagues on this topic. At this point I have not
>> run across
>> any kind of adjustability for the display, but my schedule is hectic
>> and I
>> haven't necessarily noticed everything in the menu. Here is what I
>> can say,
>> based on how the FT radio works for me today. Overall, the display
>> contrast
>> is excellent. For straight on viewing, it still looks good, with
>> (subjectively rated) 90% contrast. Above the perpendicular the
>> contrast
>> falls rather rapidly. For mobile operation I would think the mobile
>> mount
>> that sits on a gooseneck would allow you to adjust the radio
>> orientation for
>> perfect contrast.
>>
>> 73,
>> Erik K7TV
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Moore
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:43 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 or KX3 with all the options
>>
>> Is the viewing angle adjustable? Is so, by how much?
>>
>> Is contrast adjustable? (or is that accomplished by changing the
>> viewing
>> angle?)
>>
>> While a "below the perpendicular" optimization works well for
>> tabletop use,
>> I am concerned about mobile use - something I intend to do with the
>> KX3.
>> The rig would likely be mounted with the display perpendicular to
>> line of
>> sight (i.e., "flat on" view) -- or even such that viewing is above the
>> perpendicular (like when the rig is sitting on the floor/console
>> area).
>>
>> --Andrew, NV1B
>> ..
>>
>> K7TV> The display is, at least for now, optimized for viewing from
>> below
>> the perpendicular direction rather than straight on
>> ______________________________________________________________
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wayne burdick

Re: K3/100 or KX3 with all the options

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On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> ...it has very high contrast, and as Erik
> observed, works with a wide range of viewing angles -- but not from
> above the display.

By "above" I mean an angle higher than perpendicular to its face (also
known as "normal to" the display in engineering terms). Displays that
require such viewing angles use "12 o'clock" displays. The K3 falls
into this category, since most operators either look directly on the
LCD ("normal" to it) or from above.

Wayne

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