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John_N1JM

K3 4.81 beta anomally

After updating to 4.81 power out set to 100 watts was actually about 75 watts. I reverted back to 4.67 and all is well 100=100. Anyone else observe this?

73, John N1JM

Howard Stephenson

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

Please report any issues that you may find in Beta MCU to:
<[hidden email]>

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Bill-3

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

And PLEASE report all anomalies here also. As owners and perspective
owners, we all need to know as much about our equipment investment as
possible. The sharing of experiences and knowledge is the only means to
accomplish this. Without sharing, we are in the dark.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line(??)

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

On 2/8/2014 12:05 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote:
> And PLEASE report all anomalies here also.

But *not* _Beta_ firmware. Beta reports should to to Elecraft Support
and/or the respective project manager - there is no reason to stir up
issues with the entire user base concerning firmware that may not even
be ready for release.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/8/2014 12:05 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote:

> And PLEASE report all anomalies here also. As owners and perspective
> owners, we all need to know as much about our equipment investment as
> possible. The sharing of experiences and knowledge is the only means to
> accomplish this. Without sharing, we are in the dark.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line(??)
>
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Elliott Lawrence-3

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

Unless you are either using the beta or thinking about trying the beta. All remarks are welcome!! Might be reason to wait for the next beta/production???
73
Elliott WA6TLA

On Feb 8, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 2/8/2014 12:05 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote:
> > And PLEASE report all anomalies here also.
>
> But *not* _Beta_ firmware. Beta reports should to to Elecraft Support
> and/or the respective project manager - there is no reason to stir up
> issues with the entire user base concerning firmware that may not even
> be ready for release.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2/8/2014 12:05 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote:
>> And PLEASE report all anomalies here also. As owners and perspective
>> owners, we all need to know as much about our equipment investment as
>> possible. The sharing of experiences and knowledge is the only means to
>> accomplish this. Without sharing, we are in the dark.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill W2BLC K-Line(??)
>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

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Bill,

If you confine that to firmware that has been advanced to production
status, I *might* agree. Keep in mind that the firmware is provided at
no cost, so I cannot agree with your phrase "equipment investment". The
hardware is the equipment investment, and at Elecraft the firmware is
updated from time to time to add new functions that have been requested
by users as well as bug fixes that have been identified - that addition
to the equipment functionality is provided at no cost (therefore no
'investment' on the part of the users.

Beta releases are intended to allow those who are willing to be early
testers of new firmware to participate in evaluating that new level. If
there are no significant problems, that level may be advanced to
production, but if there are problems discovered, that firmware level
will never 'see the light of day' other than the beta version.

It sounds like you want all beta version anomalies to be aired publicly
- I disagree, they would be properly aired among those who volunteered
to engage in the beta test, but are not relevant to the entire user
community, most of whom will be running the production firmware level.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/8/2014 12:05 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote:
> And PLEASE report all anomalies here also. As owners and perspective
> owners, we all need to know as much about our equipment investment as
> possible. The sharing of experiences and knowledge is the only means
> to accomplish this. Without sharing, we are in the dark.
>

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

I've conducted many beta test cycles over the past couple of decades. I
have software in beta now.

Part of my beta test agreement states that "Beta software is broken.
Your job is to help find the problems so they can be fixed before
production."

More than a few times I've withdrawn functions and features because they
didn't prove to be useful, sometimes spectacularly so.

It's pretty common for a beta test agreement to include a non-disclosure
clause.

Particularly now, with the internet, bugs can develop a life of their
own, even if they're never present in released software.

I don't know what Elecraft does, but software released for beta testing
is reasonably subject to the terms and conditions that Elecraft chooses
-- and as widely or narrowly as they wish.

Bugs found in testing have practically no bearing on ones' investment --
except perhaps as a distraction. I'd argue that a wide-open beta
actually reduces the value of your investment.

73 -- Lynn

On 2/8/2014 3:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Beta releases are intended to allow those who are willing to be early
> testers of new firmware to participate in evaluating that new level.
> If there are no significant problems, that level may be advanced to
> production, but if there are problems discovered, that firmware level
> will never 'see the light of day' other than the beta version.

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

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One should fully understand what Beta Testing means if they're thinking
about running Beta software.

It means that you may run into problems -- if you do a thorough job of
testing, you most definitely will find them.

If you aren't comfortable with that, then you really should not run beta
software, period. If the software is known bug-free, it does not need
beta testing.

From what I've seen, Elecraft's beta software is very high quality.

Beta testing can be quite rewarding -- testers should take pride in the
quality of the released software, since they most definitely helped.

73 -- Lynn

On 2/8/2014 3:35 PM, Elliott Lawrence wrote:
> Unless you are either using the beta or thinking about trying the beta. All remarks are welcome!! Might be reason to wait for the next beta/production???
> 73
> Elliott WA6TLA

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k6dgw

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

I'll let Don's comments re: "Equipment Investment" stand, I can't
improve on them. I believe Don is right when it comes to beta releases.
Having been on the receiving end of "user issues" with beta releases,
we finally limited them to a small, fairly tight group who would hash
out an anomaly and the conditions under which it could be produced [or
not produced] before they came to us. From them, we got actionable
information. From the general user population, we got "data" that was
more related to their state of mind coming to work that morning than
anything relating to reality for them with the product. There's a huge
difference between "data" and "information."

My K3, KAT500, KPA500, and P3 work, I'm happy with them and they are NOT
even at current production FW releases. I do look carefully at the
Release Notes to decide if I care about the changes. Eventually,
something will come along that I DO care about, and I'll get all the
past changes too.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 2/8/2014 3:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> It sounds like you want all beta version anomalies to be aired publicly
> - I disagree, they would be properly aired among those who volunteered
> to engage in the beta test, but are not relevant to the entire user
> community, most of whom will be running the production firmware level.

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Nr4c

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

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I think there two levels of software we should consider.
1- FIELD TEST - Software available to selected "field testers" which should be discussed among testers and Elecraft techs. This includes revs that are supplied to a more expansive group via direct email to Eric or Wayne.

2 - BETA... Software announced on list to all and available from Elecraft BETA folder on web site for download. As this is avail to all, comments should be public.

...bill nr4c

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"Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>I've conducted many beta test cycles over the past couple of decades. I
>have software in beta now.
>
>Part of my beta test agreement states that "Beta software is broken.
>Your job is to help find the problems so they can be fixed before
>production."
>
>More than a few times I've withdrawn functions and features because they
>didn't prove to be useful, sometimes spectacularly so.
>
>It's pretty common for a beta test agreement to include a non-disclosure
>clause.
>
>Particularly now, with the internet, bugs can develop a life of their
>own, even if they're never present in released software.
>
>I don't know what Elecraft does, but software released for beta testing
>is reasonably subject to the terms and conditions that Elecraft chooses
>-- and as widely or narrowly as they wish.
>
>Bugs found in testing have practically no bearing on ones' investment --
>except perhaps as a distraction. I'd argue that a wide-open beta
>actually reduces the value of your investment.
>
>73 -- Lynn
>
>On 2/8/2014 3:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Beta releases are intended to allow those who are willing to be early
>> testers of new firmware to participate in evaluating that new level.
>> If there are no significant problems, that level may be advanced to
>> production, but if there are problems discovered, that firmware level
>> will never 'see the light of day' other than the beta version.
>
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KENT TRIMBLE

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

It's fine just the way it is and has worked well for many years.

Let's not complicate things or make a round wheel into a square one.

My opinion only.

73,

Kent K9ZTV

On 2/8/2014 8:59 PM, bill conkling wrote:

> I think there two levels of software we should consider.
> 1- FIELD TEST - Software available to selected "field testers" which should be discussed among testers and Elecraft techs. This includes revs that are supplied to a more expansive group via direct email to Eric or Wayne.
>
> 2 - BETA... Software announced on list to all and available from Elecraft BETA folder on web site for download. As this is avail to all, comments should be public.
>
> ...bill nr4c
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
> "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 4.81 beta anomally

Administrator

Folks, let's end the thread for now.

Howard from our support team, the original poster on this thread, was just asking that beta release issues also be reported to [hidden email]. Its always Ok to post beta issues here too if needed.

73,
Eric
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> On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:50 PM, KENT TRIMBLE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It's fine just the way it is and has worked well for many years.
>
> Let's not complicate things or make a round wheel into a square one.
>
> My opinion only.
>
> 73,
>
> Kent K9ZTV
>
>
>> On 2/8/2014 8:59 PM, bill conkling wrote:
>> I think there two levels of software we should consider.
>> 1- FIELD TEST - Software available to selected "field testers" which should be discussed among testers and Elecraft techs. This includes revs that are supplied to a more expansive group via direct email to Eric or Wayne.
>>
>> 2 - BETA... Software announced on list to all and available from Elecraft BETA folder on web site for download. As this is avail to all, comments should be public.
>>
>> ...bill nr4c
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>> "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
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