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In reply to this post by John-483
I had a fairly long and enjoyable QSO the other evening with
K7HI (Howard) on 40 meters. He was using an NC40A and a whip antenna on a container ship returning from Hawaii to Seattle. He was about 1200 miles SW of Seattle at the time. Anyway, his signal was outstanding for just 2 watts. He was 579 to 599 the entire QSO. It's gotta be the water! Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Expedition version > At 08:46 AM 05/04/08, you wrote: > > >> It's amazing what 100W will do from a good >> location on salt >>water...even on the low bands. I hope to experience this >>myself in the >>coming years. >> >> 73, Bill >> W4ZV > > Salt water is funny stuff. It seems to work better around > rare DX islands than it does, like say, from a beach in > Florida. Wonder why? > > John > k7up > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by S Sacco
----- Original Message ----- From: "S Sacco" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: 7.2 pound tuning knob > Elecraft has already been well rewarded for their efforts: > If we > assume they've shipped 650 K3's @ $2,200 (I thought I'd > err on the > lower-end of the range), they're received $14,300,000 in > revenue. > Revenue NOT = Profit, obviously. Steve, I might like your math! At least if you were making change for a $100 bill. I might get $950 back on a $50 purchase!!!! Your total should be $1,430,000---not $14,300,000! Sorry to say you erred on the high end, rather than the low end! But what's a few million here and there? Dave W7AQK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
There is no way that that knob could be 7.2 pounds. My wife (who I
mentioned this to and has too much time on her hands). Calculated that if the thing was 2.5" in diameter and 1" thick solid tungsten billet it would only weigh about 3.5 pounds. How big is this knob and what is it made of? ~Brett On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 08:26 -0400, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > Bill, W4ZV said > > >BTW I had to laugh out loud when I saw a new IC-7700 owner tout its > 7.2 pound tuning knob! Gosh "he could've had a K3" for only 1 more > pound! > > > Yup, it's true. On a weekly basis, I still get to appreciate the size > and weight (or lack of) of the K3. I am (lately) moving lots of stuff > on the desk around, opening up the K3, etc and there is NOTHING like > being about to lift the entire rig up off the desk with ONE HAND while > the other hand is free to do "other stuff." A very long way from > thinking that I should have help when simply "moving" a brand X rig > off the desk. > > And excerpted from a private email from Wayne to me on May 5, 2007, in > describing the vision.... > > "Affordable -- portable -- high performance." > > Portable? VP6 showed that. > High Performance? ARRL and Sherwood, plus lots of happy users show that > Affordable - YMMV, but on a "bang for the buck" scale, "without a > doubt" and beyond reproach. Again, taking Bills' example of the > IC7700...well, all I can say is "give me a break." How many K3's can > you get for one 7700? :-) > > We should all celebrate in what Elecraft has accomplished...beyond > just the radio itself, but in setting (through achievement) new > benchmarks. > > de Doug KR2Q > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by S Sacco
I don't understand your argument at all about the power supply and
bandscope being something the user still as to absorb. You don't see that as better? As I go right now I already have a power supply and I'd be annoyed if I had to pay for a power supply again just cause one is built into the rig. Plus thats an extra huge schwack of weight that I have to pack around when I take the radio anywhere. Not to mention the fact that I don't get the choose the type of supply that I use. As for the pan-adapter I'd rather have the ability to choose if I want one on the computer or if I want one on an LCD or how I want this option. I'm sure there are people who have already purchased panadapters and are happy that they are going to be able to just interface that unit to the K3 and save money. What about the guys who don't want/need a panadapter? Should they have to pay for the feature that was built into the rig already? I'm sure they'd rather have the feature taken out and get a savings realized. And honestly if the biggest "reasonable" gripe that is being thrown around is shipping status updates and having to push a button a few times to cycle through bands and modes rather than separate buttons for each one then thats pretty good. You know a product is great when the only gripes people have are nit picks! On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 12:31 -0400, S Sacco wrote: > Before someone calls for a big Elecraft Group Hug... > > As long as I have my K3, I'll wish that it allowed me to directly > switch to the band I want, rather than have to sequence up/down, or > program memories, which still requires two keystrokes. > > Same with the mode. > > Although the knobs aren't as close together as I thought they'd be, I > still wish there was a bit more space between them. All said, the UI > (including menu system) is excellent and very intuitive, and MUCH > better than I thought it would be. > > I'm still wondering why/how Elecraft gets away with such little > surface cooling area for the PA. It must work, but I've always > wondered why the other manufacturers seemed to put more into that > area. > > It doesn't have a built-in power supply, which shifts the > size/weight/cost away from the K3, but are nonetheless expenses the > owner must bear. Along with that, it also doesn't have band-scope, > which is something I grew to like quite a bit when I had my ProII's. > Again, the size/weight/cost for this has been shifted away from the > K3, but is an expense the owner must absorb. > > The K3 was shipped 8-9 months too soon, given the immature state of > the firmware. This behavior would have been wildly and viscously > attacked if exhibited by a Japanese manufacturer. > > Elecraft consistently failed to provide accurate shipping status. > > Elecraft has already been well rewarded for their efforts: If we > assume they've shipped 650 K3's @ $2,200 (I thought I'd err on the > lower-end of the range), they're received $14,300,000 in revenue. > Revenue NOT = Profit, obviously. > > That said, I like my K3, and have a 2nd on order, and I'd do it all > over again...but, no doubt, better radios are on the horizon (they > always are). The K3 is not protected by any patents, so the hardware > is easily cloned. It's the firmware and UI which will be Elecraft's > competitive advantage going forward. Time will tell if they're up for > the challenge. I like to think they will be, but if they're not, oh > well. > > Time to go back outside, and finish my South 4/4 10M stack. Next up: > the 4/4 20M stack. > > 73, > Steve NN4X _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Brett Howard
Sounds like somebody is exaggerating, as is usually the case when people start boasting that "my knob is bigger than yours." :)
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
John, One important factor is how far away from the water's edge your antenna is located relative to your frequency's wavelength. There was an extensive series of articles in NCJ a few years ago providing details. 73, Henry - K4TMC ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> of articles in NCJ a few years ago providing details.
Anyone have the title/author of the NCJ article(s)? Paul, W9AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
The articles were titled Verticals By The Sea, by Al Christman, K3LC in the July/Aug 2005, Sept/Oct 2005, and Nov/Dec 2005 issues. 73, Henry - K4TMC ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Brett Howard
On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Brett Howard wrote: > There is no way that that knob could be 7.2 pounds. My wife (who I > mentioned this to and has too much time on her hands). Calculated > that > if the thing was 2.5" in diameter and 1" thick solid tungsten billet > it > would only weigh about 3.5 pounds. How big is this knob and what is > it > made of? Depleted Uranium. <grin> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: [hidden email] Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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