K3: 7.2 pound tuning knob
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Bill, W4ZV said
>BTW I had to laugh out loud when I saw a new IC-7700 owner tout its 7.2 pound tuning knob! Gosh "he could've had a K3" for only 1 more pound! Yup, it's true. On a weekly basis, I still get to appreciate the size and weight (or lack of) of the K3. I am (lately) moving lots of stuff on the desk around, opening up the K3, etc and there is NOTHING like being about to lift the entire rig up off the desk with ONE HAND while the other hand is free to do "other stuff." A very long way from thinking that I should have help when simply "moving" a brand X rig off the desk. And excerpted from a private email from Wayne to me on May 5, 2007, in describing the vision.... "Affordable -- portable -- high performance." Portable? VP6 showed that. High Performance? ARRL and Sherwood, plus lots of happy users show that Affordable - YMMV, but on a "bang for the buck" scale, "without a doubt" and beyond reproach. Again, taking Bills' example of the IC7700...well, all I can say is "give me a break." How many K3's can you get for one 7700? :-) We should all celebrate in what Elecraft has accomplished...beyond just the radio itself, but in setting (through achievement) new benchmarks. de Doug KR2Q _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I'm slowly putting together a lightweight package that I hope to take on some expeditions. My goal is to make it small enough that I can carry-on a complete 100W station (less antennas). My latest addition is a Gamma HPS-1a switching power supply which is 3.37" X 1.55" X 5.25" and weighs 1.25 pounds. I'll configure my expedition version with a KAT3 (which I don't need here at home due to resonant antennas and/or driving the tuned input of my amp). Add my old Heil BM-10 headset and a lightweight paddle and I shouldn't be much over 10 pounds. My "amplifier" will be salt water and the antenna knowledge I have in my head...plus some wire, a small length of RG-8X and a soldering iron, which would probably be checked. My expedition K3 would consist of: K3/100 KAT3 KFL3A-500 I believe I can omit the KXV3 (for its RX ANT) since I can configure the KAT3's ANT1/2 to use separate antennas in split mode for RX/TX (assuming its isolation is good enough). It's amazing what 100W will do from a good location on salt water...even on the low bands. I hope to experience this myself in the coming years. 73, Bill W4ZV |
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At 08:46 AM 05/04/08, you wrote:
> It's amazing what 100W will do from a good location on salt >water...even on the low bands. I hope to experience this myself in the >coming years. > > 73, Bill W4ZV Salt water is funny stuff. It seems to work better around rare DX islands than it does, like say, from a beach in Florida. Wonder why? John k7up _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Before someone calls for a big Elecraft Group Hug...
As long as I have my K3, I'll wish that it allowed me to directly switch to the band I want, rather than have to sequence up/down, or program memories, which still requires two keystrokes. Same with the mode. Although the knobs aren't as close together as I thought they'd be, I still wish there was a bit more space between them. All said, the UI (including menu system) is excellent and very intuitive, and MUCH better than I thought it would be. I'm still wondering why/how Elecraft gets away with such little surface cooling area for the PA. It must work, but I've always wondered why the other manufacturers seemed to put more into that area. It doesn't have a built-in power supply, which shifts the size/weight/cost away from the K3, but are nonetheless expenses the owner must bear. Along with that, it also doesn't have band-scope, which is something I grew to like quite a bit when I had my ProII's. Again, the size/weight/cost for this has been shifted away from the K3, but is an expense the owner must absorb. The K3 was shipped 8-9 months too soon, given the immature state of the firmware. This behavior would have been wildly and viscously attacked if exhibited by a Japanese manufacturer. Elecraft consistently failed to provide accurate shipping status. Elecraft has already been well rewarded for their efforts: If we assume they've shipped 650 K3's @ $2,200 (I thought I'd err on the lower-end of the range), they're received $14,300,000 in revenue. Revenue NOT = Profit, obviously. That said, I like my K3, and have a 2nd on order, and I'd do it all over again...but, no doubt, better radios are on the horizon (they always are). The K3 is not protected by any patents, so the hardware is easily cloned. It's the firmware and UI which will be Elecraft's competitive advantage going forward. Time will tell if they're up for the challenge. I like to think they will be, but if they're not, oh well. Time to go back outside, and finish my South 4/4 10M stack. Next up: the 4/4 20M stack. 73, Steve NN4X On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:26 AM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL <[hidden email]> wrote: > Bill, W4ZV said > > >BTW I had to laugh out loud when I saw a new IC-7700 owner tout its > 7.2 pound tuning knob! Gosh "he could've had a K3" for only 1 more > pound! > > > Yup, it's true. On a weekly basis, I still get to appreciate the size > and weight (or lack of) of the K3. I am (lately) moving lots of stuff > on the desk around, opening up the K3, etc and there is NOTHING like > being about to lift the entire rig up off the desk with ONE HAND while > the other hand is free to do "other stuff." A very long way from > thinking that I should have help when simply "moving" a brand X rig > off the desk. > > And excerpted from a private email from Wayne to me on May 5, 2007, in > describing the vision.... > > "Affordable -- portable -- high performance." > > Portable? VP6 showed that. > High Performance? ARRL and Sherwood, plus lots of happy users show that > Affordable - YMMV, but on a "bang for the buck" scale, "without a > doubt" and beyond reproach. Again, taking Bills' example of the > IC7700...well, all I can say is "give me a break." How many K3's can > you get for one 7700? :-) > > We should all celebrate in what Elecraft has accomplished...beyond > just the radio itself, but in setting (through achievement) new > benchmarks. > > de Doug KR2Q > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> ... If we
> assume they've shipped 650 K3's @ $2,200 (I thought I'd err on the > lower-end of the range), they're received $14,300,000 in revenue. I think that would be for 6,500 K3s, not 650!!! 73, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3: 7.2 pound tuning knob
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Yes, if you want to make a small fortune with a niche ham radio company,
start with a large fortune. 73 Bob K4LW ----- >> ... If we >> assume they've shipped 650 K3's @ $2,200 (I thought I'd err on the >> lower-end of the range), they're received $14,300,000 in revenue. > > I think that would be for 6,500 K3s, not 650!!! > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by S Sacco
Hi all,
Is there some reason why the I and Q signals from the K3 could not be used by a program like Winrad to demodulate (apart from the fact they are not easily get accessed)? Or is the second if at too high a frequency for a pc soundcard to deal with. Regards Tim gm4lmh _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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S Sacco wrote:
> The K3 was shipped 8-9 months too soon, given the immature state of > the firmware. This behavior would have been wildly and viscously > attacked if exhibited by a Japanese manufacturer. In my slow-flowing way, I just came back from a meeting of our local DX group where a guy -- who also has a K3 -- poured molasses all over a new FT-2000, which he owned for about a week before getting his money back. According to him, the DSP artifacts were so bad it was impossible to use for weak-signal DXing. That counts as immature firmware, or at least thick, glutinous, sticky firmware. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Remember after WWII when scrap metal used to be collected and sent to Japan? I often wonder where it went. Now I know.
de K3KO
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Re: K3: 7.2 pound tuning knob
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In reply to this post by KK7P
On Apr 5, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Rick Dettinger wrote: > Sporting types might want to put some money down on when the number > will be in the 6000 range and pass up the very popular K2 number. > > 73' > > Rick K7MW > > > On Apr 5, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: >>> ... If we >>> assume they've shipped 650 K3's @ $2,200 (I thought I'd err on the >>> lower-end of the range), they're received $14,300,000 in revenue. >> >> I think that would be for 6,500 K3s, not 650!!! >> >> 73, >> >> Lyle KK7P >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by John-483
> Salt water is funny stuff. It seems to work better around rare DX islands
> than it does, like say, from a beach in Florida. Wonder why? Fewer neighbors with QRN generators? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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..make that QRM
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Mark Bayern <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Salt water is funny stuff. It seems to work better around rare DX islands > > than it does, like say, from a beach in Florida. Wonder why? > > Fewer neighbors with QRN generators? > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by S Sacco
>>"The K3 was shipped 8-9 months too soon, given the immature state of
the firmware. This behavior would have been wildly and viscously attacked if exhibited by a Japanese manufacturer. ...only because a Japanese manufacturer would have made you purchase the next model to get newer firmware _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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That's unfair - ICOM and Kenwood have made quite a few firmware updates for
their radios, all at no cost. I don't have any Yaesu HF kit so can't comment about their level of support. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Bayern" <[hidden email]> > > ...only because a Japanese manufacturer would have made you purchase > the next model to get newer firmware > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Good point....but there must be something else, hmmmmmmmm, I wonder?
John k7up At 01:43 PM 05/04/08, you wrote: >..make that QRM > >On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Mark Bayern <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Salt water is funny stuff. It seems to work better around rare > DX islands > > > than it does, like say, from a beach in Florida. Wonder why? > > > > Fewer neighbors with QRN generators? > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Yes, another big item is 20DB gain callsigns...
Bob K2TK John wrote: > Good point....but there must be something else, hmmmmmmmm, I wonder? > > John > k7up > > At 01:43 PM 05/04/08, you wrote: > >> ..make that QRM >> >> On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Mark Bayern <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > > Salt water is funny stuff. It seems to work better around rare >> DX islands >> > > than it does, like say, from a beach in Florida. Wonder why? >> > >> > Fewer neighbors with QRN generators? >> > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Right on Bob, and to top it off, you knew the answer a month before I
posed the question. ;-) John At 03:56 PM 05/03/08, you wrote: >Yes, another big item is 20DB gain callsigns... > >Bob >K2TK > >John wrote: > >>Good point....but there must be something else, hmmmmmmmm, I wonder? >> >>John >>k7up >> >>At 01:43 PM 05/04/08, you wrote: >> >>>..make that QRM >>> >>>On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Mark Bayern <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> > > Salt water is funny stuff. It seems to work better around >>> rare DX islands >>> > > than it does, like say, from a beach in Florida. Wonder why? >>> > >>> > Fewer neighbors with QRN generators? >>> > >> > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by AC7AC
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Yes, if you want to make a small fortune with a niche ham radio company, > start with a large fortune. > Er uhh ... my HP48GX tells me 650 K3's times $2,200 mean retail price equal $1,430,000 [unless possibly the batteries are about dead]. I don't know what that means in profit, of course, but I sure hope it's enough to keep Elecraft in business. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Tim Heasman
Hallo Tim,
> Is there some reason why the I and Q signals from the K3 1) IIRC the K3 does not use I & Q signals at the analogue level. 2) Even if it did, the low IF is after the roofing filters and therefore of a fairly narrow bandwidth. 3) The 15kHz IF could be sampled by most sound cards. I fell into the same trap last May... vy 73 de toby -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2 #885 K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #67 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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