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Conrad PA5Y

K3 AGC off mutes audio?

Hello I have a K3S with the latest firmware. I use it on EME in fact last night was the first time. It works well but for EME I prefer to operate with the AGC off. If I do a long press on the AGC button then AGC switches off but so does the audio. I still see the S meter moving slightly which is strange when the AGC is off. On all my other radios when I switch AGC off then the S meter does not function. I assume that there is a another setting that causes this ..... or it is a bug. For now I have set the AGC threshold quite high which I may end up doing on a permanent basis, then locals don't distort 😊

Any idea what is going on?

73

Conrad PA5Y
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: K3 AGC off mutes audio?

Check the setting of CONFIG:AF LIM.

Wes N7WS

On 9/22/2019 12:42 PM, Conrad PA5Y wrote:
> Hello I have a K3S with the latest firmware. I use it on EME in fact last night was the first time. It works well but for EME I prefer to operate with the AGC off. If I do a long press on the AGC button then AGC switches off but so does the audio. I still see the S meter moving slightly which is strange when the AGC is off. On all my other radios when I switch AGC off then the S meter does not function. I assume that there is a another setting that causes this ..... or it is a bug. For now I have set the AGC threshold quite high which I may end up doing on a permanent basis, then locals don't distort 😊
>
> Any idea what is going on?
>
> 73
>
> Conrad PA5Y

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Dimitry Borzenko

Re: K3 AGC off mutes audio?

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Hi Conrad.
Here is the some situation.
I think in the K3 S-meter not in the AGC loop, have diff channel and
detector same as in the FT2000.

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AGC off mutes audio?

>Hello I have a K3S with the latest firmware. I use it on EME in fact last night was the first time. It works well but for EME I prefer to operate with the AGC off. If I do a long press on the AGC button then AGC switches off but so does the audio. I still see the S meter moving slightly which is strange when the AGC is off. On all my other radios when I switch AGC off then the S meter does not function. I assume that there is a another setting that causes this ..... or it is a bug. For now I have set the AGC threshold quite high which I may end up doing on a permanent basis, then locals don't distort 😊
>
>Any idea what is going on?
>
>73
>
>Conrad PA5Y
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3 AGC off mutes audio?

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Check the AF LIM settings. {page 57 in the manual} Typical value is
NOR 030.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 9/22/2019 2:42 PM, Conrad PA5Y wrote:

> Hello I have a K3S with the latest firmware. I use it on EME in fact last night was the first time. It works well but for EME I prefer to operate with the AGC off. If I do a long press on the AGC button then AGC switches off but so does the audio. I still see the S meter moving slightly which is strange when the AGC is off. On all my other radios when I switch AGC off then the S meter does not function. I assume that there is a another setting that causes this ..... or it is a bug. For now I have set the AGC threshold quite high which I may end up doing on a permanent basis, then locals don't distort 😊
>
> Any idea what is going on?
>
> 73
>
> Conrad PA5Y
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Conrad PA5Y

Re: K3 AGC off mutes audio?

Yes that was it Bob and Wes, it was set to 001!

Thanks!

Conrad PA5Y

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC off mutes audio?

Check the AF LIM settings. {page 57 in the manual} Typical value is NOR 030.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 9/22/2019 2:42 PM, Conrad PA5Y wrote:

> Hello I have a K3S with the latest firmware. I use it on EME in fact
> last night was the first time. It works well but for EME I prefer to
> operate with the AGC off. If I do a long press on the AGC button then
> AGC switches off but so does the audio. I still see the S meter moving
> slightly which is strange when the AGC is off. On all my other radios
> when I switch AGC off then the S meter does not function. I assume
> that there is a another setting that causes this ..... or it is a bug.
> For now I have set the AGC threshold quite high which I may end up
> doing on a permanent basis, then locals don't distort 😊
>
> Any idea what is going on?
>
> 73
>
> Conrad PA5Y
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3 AGC off mutes audio?

Yea will it caught me one time as well. I guess I'm one that runs AGC
either F or S depending on mode. With the good roofing filters in the
radio, I rarely have AGC pumping issues from strong stations that are of
any concern.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 9/22/2019 4:37 PM, Conrad PA5Y wrote:

> Yes that was it Bob and Wes, it was set to 001!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Conrad PA5Y
>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC off mutes audio?
>
> Check the AF LIM settings. {page 57 in the manual} Typical value is NOR 030.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 9/22/2019 2:42 PM, Conrad PA5Y wrote:
>> Hello I have a K3S with the latest firmware. I use it on EME in fact
>> last night was the first time. It works well but for EME I prefer to
>> operate with the AGC off. If I do a long press on the AGC button then
>> AGC switches off but so does the audio. I still see the S meter moving
>> slightly which is strange when the AGC is off. On all my other radios
>> when I switch AGC off then the S meter does not function. I assume
>> that there is a another setting that causes this ..... or it is a bug.
>> For now I have set the AGC threshold quite high which I may end up
>> doing on a permanent basis, then locals don't distort 😊
>>
>> Any idea what is going on?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Conrad PA5Y
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Kidder, George

Re: VX commands don't work

GE all,

I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for my
older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work as
expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or a
single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?

I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a decade,
but it would be nice to have it in some macros.

George, W3HBM
Bar Harbor, ME
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Don Wilhelm

Re: VX commands don't work

George,

The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status, but
you cannot SET it.
See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:

> GE all,
>
> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for my
> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work as
> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or a
> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>
> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a decade,
> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>
> George, W3HBM
> Bar Harbor, ME
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Dick Dievendorff-4

Re: VX commands don't work

But maybe you can “press” the VOX button with SWH or SWT.
I’m away from my station so I can’t try it right now.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Sep 22, 2019, at 15:30, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> George,
>
> The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status, but you cannot SET it.
> See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>> GE all,
>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for my
>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work as
>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or a
>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a decade,
>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>> George, W3HBM
>> Bar Harbor, ME
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Kidder, George

Re: VX commands don't work

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Thanks for the prompt reply, Don.

Humm. My copy of the Programmer's Reference, (Rev.G1, March 16, 2017)
says on p28
"VX (VOx State; GET/SET on K3, GET only on KX2 and KX3)"

Guess I have encountered a "feature". No problem - if it's not, it's not.

73 de George, W3HBM

On 9/22/2019 6:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

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> George,
>
> The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status, but
> you cannot SET it.
> See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>> GE all,
>>
>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for my
>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work as
>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or a
>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>>
>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a decade,
>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>>
>> George, W3HBM
>> Bar Harbor, ME
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Kidder, George

Re: VX commands don't work

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Hi Dick,

Problem there is that I would have to "press" or "not press" depending
on current state of VOX, and the macro generator (FLDIGI) does not have
that sort of programming ability - at least I don't think so.

But a good thought.

George

On 9/22/2019 6:43 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

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> But maybe you can “press” the VOX button with SWH or SWT.
> I’m away from my station so I can’t try it right now.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>> On Sep 22, 2019, at 15:30, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> George,
>>
>> The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status, but you cannot SET it.
>> See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>>> GE all,
>>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for my
>>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work as
>>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or a
>>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a decade,
>>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>>> George, W3HBM
>>> Bar Harbor, ME
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David Box-2

Re: VX commands don't work

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VXn works for me, don't remember the firmware change that activated the set feature about a year ago.
de Dave K5MWR

On September 22, 2019 4:30:54 PM MDT, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

>George,
>
>The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status, but
>you cannot SET it.
>See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>> GE all,
>>
>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for
>my
>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work
>as
>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or
>a
>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>>
>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a
>decade,
>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>>
>> George, W3HBM
>> Bar Harbor, ME
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: VX commands don't work

Works for me too. Latest F/W installed.

Wes

On 9/22/2019 4:17 PM, David Box wrote:

> VXn works for me, don't remember the firmware change that activated the set feature about a year ago.
> de Dave K5MWR
>
> On September 22, 2019 4:30:54 PM MDT, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> George,
>>
>> The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status, but
>> you cannot SET it.
>> See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>>> GE all,
>>>
>>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for
>> my
>>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work
>> as
>>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or
>> a
>>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>>>
>>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a
>> decade,
>>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>>>
>>> George, W3HBM
>>> Bar Harbor, ME

Kidder, George

Re: VX commands don't work

GE Wes - Is your success on a K3 or K3s? Just installed latest firmware
(5.67) and there is still no SET response to "VX1", although "VX" does
GET the state. Just like Don said, but this is not what is in the manual.

George

On 9/24/2019 2:27 AM, Wes wrote:

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> Works for me too. Latest F/W installed.
>
> Wes
>
> On 9/22/2019 4:17 PM, David Box wrote:
>> VXn works for me, don't remember the firmware change that activated
>> the set feature about a year ago.
>> de Dave K5MWR
>>
>> On September 22, 2019 4:30:54 PM MDT, Don Wilhelm
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> George,
>>>
>>> The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status, but
>>> you cannot SET it.
>>> See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>>>> GE all,
>>>>
>>>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for
>>> my
>>>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>>>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands work
>>> as
>>>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>>>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug or
>>> a
>>>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>>>>
>>>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a
>>> decade,
>>>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>>>>
>>>> George, W3HBM
>>>> Bar Harbor, ME
>
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Dick Dievendorff-4

Re: VX commands don't work

Setters don't respond. Try ^VX1; and then follow it with ^VX; to see what it set.

rvm; <_ commands in lower case
RVM05.67; <- responses in upper case.
vx;
VX1;
vx0;
vx;
VX0;
vx1;
vx;
VX1;

73 de Dick, K6KR

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VX commands don't work

GE Wes - Is your success on a K3 or K3s? Just installed latest firmware
(5.67) and there is still no SET response to "VX1", although "VX" does GET the state. Just like Don said, but this is not what is in the manual.

George

On 9/24/2019 2:27 AM, Wes wrote:

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> Works for me too. Latest F/W installed.
>
> Wes
>
> On 9/22/2019 4:17 PM, David Box wrote:
>> VXn works for me, don't remember the firmware change that activated
>> the set feature about a year ago.
>> de Dave K5MWR
>>
>> On September 22, 2019 4:30:54 PM MDT, Don Wilhelm
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> George,
>>>
>>> The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status,
>>> but you cannot SET it.
>>> See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>>>> GE all,
>>>>
>>>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for
>>> my
>>>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>>>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands
>>>> work
>>> as
>>>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>>>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug
>>>> or
>>> a
>>>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>>>>
>>>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a
>>> decade,
>>>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>>>>
>>>> George, W3HBM
>>>> Bar Harbor, ME
>
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Kidder, George

Re: VX commands don't work

Well, now, I am both confused and eating crow! Now it is working as
expected. I have no idea what I was doing wrong before. Both the VOX
function and the indicator are now going on with VX1;.

Talk of a tempest in a teapot!

73 and thanks - George

On 9/25/2019 7:22 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

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> Setters don't respond. Try ^VX1; and then follow it with ^VX; to see what it set.
>
> rvm; <_ commands in lower case
> RVM05.67; <- responses in upper case.
> vx;
> VX1;
> vx0;
> vx;
> VX0;
> vx1;
> vx;
> VX1;
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Kidder, George
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 15:54
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VX commands don't work
>
> GE Wes - Is your success on a K3 or K3s? Just installed latest firmware
> (5.67) and there is still no SET response to "VX1", although "VX" does GET the state. Just like Don said, but this is not what is in the manual.
>
> George
>
> On 9/24/2019 2:27 AM, Wes wrote:
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>> Works for me too. Latest F/W installed.
>>
>> Wes
>>
>> On 9/22/2019 4:17 PM, David Box wrote:
>>> VXn works for me, don't remember the firmware change that activated
>>> the set feature about a year ago.
>>> de Dave K5MWR
>>>
>>> On September 22, 2019 4:30:54 PM MDT, Don Wilhelm
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> George,
>>>>
>>>> The VX command is "GET" only, so you can determine the VOX status,
>>>> but you cannot SET it.
>>>> See the K3 Programmer's Reference Manual.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2019 6:16 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
>>>>> GE all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently tried to incorporate the VX command into some macros for
>>>> my
>>>>> older K3. With the K3 utility connected directly to Com1, the VXn
>>>>> command has no effect on the VOX state, although other commands
>>>>> work
>>>> as
>>>>> expected. I run the VOX on AUTO OFF (CW WT tap 5) to avoid startup
>>>>> problems, but returning to NOR has no effect. Is this a known bug
>>>>> or
>>>> a
>>>>> single-unit flaw. Any others have this experience?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can certainly live without this feature - I have for nearly a
>>>> decade,
>>>>> but it would be nice to have it in some macros.
>>>>>
>>>>> George, W3HBM
>>>>> Bar Harbor, ME
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: VX commands don't work

In reply to this post by Kidder, George

I was writing about a K3S, but just for you I powered up the K3 that I keep as a
backup and it works too. Are you appending the semi-colon?
BTW, my K3S F/W is 5.62 and the K3 is 5.0.

Wes

On 9/25/2019 3:53 PM, Kidder, George wrote:
> GE Wes - Is your success on a K3 or K3s? Just installed latest firmware
> (5.67) and there is still no SET response to "VX1", although "VX" does
> GET the state. Just like Don said, but this is not what is in the manual.
>
> George
>

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