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Phil Hystad-3

K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

I just realized that there is some heavy attenuation of received signals on my K3 for the 20 meter band. I thought the band was dead this morning which seems unusual since this is a big SSB DX contest. My other bands are busy as you would expect and I have made a number of DX contacts on 15 and 10 meters this weekend.

But, I turned on my Icom Pro III and with the very same antenna as used by the K3 (a Traffie Hexbeam) the 20 meter band came alive and was full of signals. These DO NOT appear at all on my K3.

This is the 20 meter band only. It does not appear to affect transmit as far as I can tell. I can transmit into my antenna through the KAT500 and I have the low SWR (about 1.2:1) and my LP100A reads the right amount of power output (key down).

Is this some setting I screwed up accidentally in the past or is there something that could go wrong to result in single band RECEIVE attenuation in the K3.

Thanks,

73, phil, K7PEH

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Rick Prather-2

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

Phil,

Do you have your RX ANT button engaged on 20M?

Rick
K6LE

On 3/3/2013, at 8:29 , Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I just realized that there is some heavy attenuation of received signals on my K3 for the 20 meter band. I thought the band was dead this morning which seems unusual since this is a big SSB DX contest. My other bands are busy as you would expect and I have made a number of DX contacts on 15 and 10 meters this weekend.
>
> But, I turned on my Icom Pro III and with the very same antenna as used by the K3 (a Traffie Hexbeam) the 20 meter band came alive and was full of signals. These DO NOT appear at all on my K3.
>
> This is the 20 meter band only. It does not appear to affect transmit as far as I can tell. I can transmit into my antenna through the KAT500 and I have the low SWR (about 1.2:1) and my LP100A reads the right amount of power output (key down).
>
> Is this some setting I screwed up accidentally in the past or is there something that could go wrong to result in single band RECEIVE attenuation in the K3.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH

Phil Hystad-3

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

Rick,

I just now discovered the RX antenna on. I mean, Just seconds before your message came in. But, thanks for the quick response and the correct answer.

There are so many features on the K3, sometimes finding the problem is more time-consuming.

thanks,
73, phil, K7PEH

On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Rick Prather <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Phil,
>
> Do you have your RX ANT button engaged on 20M?
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
> On 3/3/2013, at 8:29 , Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I just realized that there is some heavy attenuation of received signals on my K3 for the 20 meter band. I thought the band was dead this morning which seems unusual since this is a big SSB DX contest. My other bands are busy as you would expect and I have made a number of DX contacts on 15 and 10 meters this weekend.
>>
>> But, I turned on my Icom Pro III and with the very same antenna as used by the K3 (a Traffie Hexbeam) the 20 meter band came alive and was full of signals. These DO NOT appear at all on my K3.
>>
>> This is the 20 meter band only. It does not appear to affect transmit as far as I can tell. I can transmit into my antenna through the KAT500 and I have the low SWR (about 1.2:1) and my LP100A reads the right amount of power output (key down).
>>
>> Is this some setting I screwed up accidentally in the past or is there something that could go wrong to result in single band RECEIVE attenuation in the K3.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

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Did you accidentally select the RX Ant with nothing connected?

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 3/3/2013 11:29 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

N0AZZ

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

In reply to this post by Phil Hystad-3

Phil

Don't feel bad I did the exact same thing this morning, had my receiving
antenna on when on 160m then went to 20m same thing.

It took me 15 min to find what I had done all the time right in front of me.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

-----Original Message-----
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To: Rick Prather
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only
problem.

Rick,

I just now discovered the RX antenna on. I mean, Just seconds before your
message came in. But, thanks for the quick response and the correct answer.

There are so many features on the K3, sometimes finding the problem is more
time-consuming.

thanks,
73, phil, K7PEH

On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Rick Prather <[hidden email]> wrote:

on my K3 for the 20 meter band. I thought the band was dead this morning
which seems unusual since this is a big SSB DX contest. My other bands are
busy as you would expect and I have made a number of DX contacts on 15 and
10 meters this weekend.
>>
>> But, I turned on my Icom Pro III and with the very same antenna as used
by the K3 (a Traffie Hexbeam) the 20 meter band came alive and was full of
signals. These DO NOT appear at all on my K3.
>>
>> This is the 20 meter band only. It does not appear to affect transmit as
far as I can tell. I can transmit into my antenna through the KAT500 and I
have the low SWR (about 1.2:1) and my LP100A reads the right amount of power
output (key down).
>>
>> Is this some setting I screwed up accidentally in the past or is there
something that could go wrong to result in single band RECEIVE attenuation
in the K3.

>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
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Rick Prather-2

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

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Phil,

Lots of interesting options on the radio that are band specific. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of but I bet you won't miss this one next time. I know it's the first thing I check after missing it once!

Rick
K6LE

On 3/3/2013, at 8:33 , Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I just now discovered the RX antenna on. I mean, Just seconds before your message came in. But, thanks for the quick response and the correct answer.
>
> There are so many features on the K3, sometimes finding the problem is more time-consuming.
>
> thanks,
> 73, phil, K7PEH

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Phil Hystad-3

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

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Fred,

I only felt bad for a few moments but after a flood of responses all saying the same thing (check RX ant enable) I realized that this was likely a more common problem instead of thinking that I was a clown not knowing immediately what it was.

But, the worse part is how stumped I was at first. I was staring at the K3 display looking for some clues. I checked the Antenna to make sure I was on Ant1 (I don't have anything on Ant2 but that would have affected TX anyway) but while looking at Ant1 display on the K3 I saw the RX displayed right next to it. I remember saying to myself "What is that doing there?". For some reason, of all the past times I stared at that K3 display screen looking for the problem I was oblivious to the fact that RX antenna was enabled. I then disabled it and went to the computer to post a message to the board that I found the problem only to see Rick's message pop up right in front of me at that very moment.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Fred Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Phil
>
> Don't feel bad I did the exact same thing this morning, had my receiving
> antenna on when on 160m then went to 20m same thing.
>
> It took me 15 min to find what I had done all the time right in front of me.
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:33 AM
> To: Rick Prather
> Cc: [hidden email] List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only
> problem.
>
> Rick,
>
> I just now discovered the RX antenna on. I mean, Just seconds before your
> message came in. But, thanks for the quick response and the correct answer.
>
> There are so many features on the K3, sometimes finding the problem is more
> time-consuming.
>
> thanks,
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Rick Prather <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> Do you have your RX ANT button engaged on 20M?
>>
>> Rick
>> K6LE
>>
>> On 3/3/2013, at 8:29 , Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized that there is some heavy attenuation of received signals
> on my K3 for the 20 meter band. I thought the band was dead this morning
> which seems unusual since this is a big SSB DX contest. My other bands are
> busy as you would expect and I have made a number of DX contacts on 15 and
> 10 meters this weekend.
>>>
>>> But, I turned on my Icom Pro III and with the very same antenna as used
> by the K3 (a Traffie Hexbeam) the 20 meter band came alive and was full of
> signals. These DO NOT appear at all on my K3.
>>>
>>> This is the 20 meter band only. It does not appear to affect transmit as
> far as I can tell. I can transmit into my antenna through the KAT500 and I
> have the low SWR (about 1.2:1) and my LP100A reads the right amount of power
> output (key down).
>>>
>>> Is this some setting I screwed up accidentally in the past or is there
> something that could go wrong to result in single band RECEIVE attenuation
> in the K3.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
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Mike Markowski-2

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

Elecraft should sponsor a computer science master's student to build an
expert system. Put all the great advice from this list into it, and ask
away. :-) "Open the pod bay doors, HAL." "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't
hear you. Check my RX ANT setting."

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 03/03/2013 12:14 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> [...]
> But, the worse part is how stumped I was at first. I was staring at the K3 display looking for some clues. I checked the Antenna to make sure I was on Ant1 (I don't have anything on Ant2 but that would have affected TX anyway) but while looking at Ant1 display on the K3 I saw the RX displayed right next to it. I remember saying to myself "What is that doing there?". [...]
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N0AZZ

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

Yup and there are more of those than there are horse's!

Fred

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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:09 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only
problem.

Elecraft should sponsor a computer science master's student to build an
expert system. Put all the great advice from this list into it, and ask
away. :-) "Open the pod bay doors, HAL." "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't hear
you. Check my RX ANT setting."

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 03/03/2013 12:14 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> [...]
> But, the worse part is how stumped I was at first. I was staring at
> the K3 display looking for some clues. I checked the Antenna to make
> sure I was on Ant1 (I don't have anything on Ant2 but that would have
> affected TX anyway) but while looking at Ant1 display on the K3 I saw
> the RX displayed right next to it. I remember saying to myself "What
> is that doing there?". [...]
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Bill Frantz

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band only problem.

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In the NAQP RTTY contest I had a similar issue. My computer was
decoding RTTY quite fine on every band but 15 meters. The first
time I tuned a station on 15, the tuning indicator was right and
the station was strong, but no decode. At least I knew that
RTTY, unlike PSK, isn't symmetric. I turned on "Reverse" in the
computer software and got decode. OK, it worked. I didn't try to
find out why until later.

What I found was that the K3 was in Data A mode on 80, 40, 20,
and 10 and in AFSK A on 15. For some reason the K3 was using
different side bands in the two modes. Reading the manual, AFSK
A is probably a better mode for that contest because of the
duel-tone RTTY filter.

I never did get the K3's RTTY decode to work for me. However
decoding on the computer is an advantage because I can copy
calls directly to the logging program and my dyslexia doesn't
have a chance to swap the letters. :-)

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 3/3/13 at 9:13 AM, [hidden email] (Rick Prather) wrote:

>Lots of interesting options on the radio that are band
>specific. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of but I bet you
>won't miss this one next time. I know it's the first thing I
>check after missing it once!

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K3 Settings

If I have a K3 on a network with a back up file for Settings, can this file
be used with the Utility for another K3 to set it up without having to go
through all the menus?

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David F. Reed-2

Re: K3 Settings

My understanding is this:
Unfortunately, no, only that K3. This is because the calibration
settings unique to that radio are also part of what is saved / restored.
I would love to see such a facility as well.

73 de Dave, W5SV

On 3/3/13 3:33 PM, Jay wrote:
> If I have a K3 on a network with a back up file for Settings, can this
> file be used with the Utility for another K3 to set it up without
> having to go through all the menus?

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Gary Hinson

Re: K3 Settings

I guess it would be possible to set some (if not all) of the configs on any
K3 using a suitable macro. Might be handy in a multi-station K3 contest
setup too I guess.

73
Gary ZL2iFB

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> To: Jay
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Settings
>
> My understanding is this:
> Unfortunately, no, only that K3. This is because the calibration settings
> unique to that radio are also part of what is saved / restored.
> I would love to see such a facility as well.
>
> 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> On 3/3/13 3:33 PM, Jay wrote:
> > If I have a K3 on a network with a back up file for Settings, can this
> > file be used with the Utility for another K3 to set it up without
> > having to go through all the menus?
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Re: K3 Settings

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No. The data is stored by K3 serial number.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 13:33:11 -0800, "Jay" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>If I have a K3 on a network with a back up file for Settings, can this file
>be used with the Utility for another K3 to set it up without having to go
>through all the menus?
>
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Jay Kobelin

Re: K3 Settings

Thanks All

Sure would make it easy on the expedition to have one file sitting on the
network that could be pulled..Oh well, back to PLAN A and save each setup to
the specific laptop.

Jay
W2IJ
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Settings

>
> No. The data is stored by K3 serial number.
>
> 73,
> Tom
> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
> ARRL Lifetime Member
> QCWA Lifetime Member
>
> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 13:33:11 -0800, "Jay" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>If I have a K3 on a network with a back up file for Settings, can this
>>file
>>be used with the Utility for another K3 to set it up without having to go
>>through all the menus?
>>
>>
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Dave Hawes

Re: K3 Settings

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It is understood that you can't clone one K3 from another, but I have another
question:

Can you clone the Main RX to the SUB? I would like to be able to make the
SUB exactly like the MAIN, especially AGC, NB, Width, Shift, etc. It would be
great if this could be done with a single command of some sort.

73 - Dave N3RD

On 3 Mar 2013 at 15:35, David F. Reed wrote:

> My understanding is this:
> Unfortunately, no, only that K3. This is because the calibration
> settings unique to that radio are also part of what is saved /
> restored.
> I would love to see such a facility as well.
>
> 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> On 3/3/13 3:33 PM, Jay wrote:
> > If I have a K3 on a network with a back up file for Settings, can
> this
> > file be used with the Utility for another K3 to set it up without
> > having to go through all the menus?
>
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Cady, Fred

Re: K3 Settings

Hi Dave,
I'm pretty sure AGC, NB and NR are the same on the main and the sub rx.
Double tapping A>B sets the filter settings (and freqs) the same. You
can change the sub rx filter by holding BSET and then changing the
filter, for example.
Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Fred Cady
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation Second Edition"
www.ke7x.com

fcady at ieee dot org

> -----Original Message-----
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> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Hawes
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:53 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Settings
>
> It is understood that you can't clone one K3 from another, but I have
> another
> question:
>
> Can you clone the Main RX to the SUB? I would like to be able to make
> the
> SUB exactly like the MAIN, especially AGC, NB, Width, Shift, etc. It
> would be
> great if this could be done with a single command of some sort.
>
> 73 - Dave N3RD
>
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Cady, Fred

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band onlyproblem.

In reply to this post by Bill Frantz

Hi,
The data mode is saved per band so when contesting it's a good idea when
setting up to run through all the bands making sure the mode is the same
on each band.
Cheers and 73,
Fred

Fred Cady
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation Second Edition"
www.ke7x.com

fcady at ieee dot org

> -----Original Message-----
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> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill Frantz
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:34 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band
> onlyproblem.
>
> In the NAQP RTTY contest I had a similar issue. My computer was
> decoding RTTY quite fine on every band but 15 meters. The first
> time I tuned a station on 15, the tuning indicator was right and
> the station was strong, but no decode. At least I knew that
> RTTY, unlike PSK, isn't symmetric. I turned on "Reverse" in the
> computer software and got decode. OK, it worked. I didn't try to
> find out why until later.
>
> What I found was that the K3 was in Data A mode on 80, 40, 20,
> and 10 and in AFSK A on 15. For some reason the K3 was using
> different side bands in the two modes. Reading the manual, AFSK
> A is probably a better mode for that contest because of the
> duel-tone RTTY filter.
>
> I never did get the K3's RTTY decode to work for me. However
> decoding on the computer is an advantage because I can copy
> calls directly to the logging program and my dyslexia doesn't
> have a chance to swap the letters. :-)
>
> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
>
> On 3/3/13 at 9:13 AM, [hidden email] (Rick Prather) wrote:
>
> >Lots of interesting options on the radio that are band
> >specific. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of but I bet you
> >won't miss this one next time. I know it's the first thing I
> >check after missing it once!
>
>

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gm3sek

Re: K3 Attenuation on Receive of 20 meter band onlyproblem.

>The data mode is saved per band so when contesting it's a good idea
when
>setting up to run through all the bands making sure the mode is the
same
>on each band.
>Cheers and 73,
>Fred
>

Agreed - this is a "must do" for anyone who uses other data sub-modes
outside of contests.

But if you switch to a band where a different data sub-mode has been
selected, you will find that the IF passband settings have *not* been
saved. The passband settings that you get will be "pot-luck" (saved from
whichever data sub-mode was last used, on any band) and will probably be
quite inappropriate.

Please could this be fixed in a future firmware revision, so that the
last used passband settings are saved per-band for each of the data
sub-modes?

73 from Ian GM3SEK

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Re: K3 Settings

In reply to this post by Cady, Fred

Whoops. Wrong. NB and NR are not transferred to the Sub from main and
can be set independently with BSET. Sorry.

Fred Cady
fcady at ieee dot org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cady, Fred
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:11 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Settings
>
> Hi Dave,
> I'm pretty sure AGC, NB and NR are the same on the main and the sub
rx.

> Double tapping A>B sets the filter settings (and freqs) the same. You
> can change the sub rx filter by holding BSET and then changing the
> filter, for example.
> Cheers and 73,
> Fred KE7X
>
> Fred Cady
> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation Second Edition"
> www.ke7x.com
>
> fcady at ieee dot org
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Hawes
> > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:53 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Settings
> >
> > It is understood that you can't clone one K3 from another, but I

have
> > another
> > question:
> >
> > Can you clone the Main RX to the SUB? I would like to be able to
> make
> > the
> > SUB exactly like the MAIN, especially AGC, NB, Width, Shift, etc.
It

> > would be
> > great if this could be done with a single command of some sort.
> >
> > 73 - Dave N3RD
> >
> > On 3 Mar 2013 at 15:35, David F. Reed wrote:
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