K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...

[Don Rasmussen]

>>> So, is this a good problem statement?

Negative.

This may be hard to grasp if you have never used an
IC756p 775dsp, or OMNI VI+.

The object is to have single press access to a desired
band, on the last freq and mode you used - without
ever needing to specifically perform a "save"
operation of that frequency and mode in the past.

The rig is smart enough to know anytime that you leave
a band using memory recall or FREQ ENT, to store the
last band's freq, mode, and filter settings for single
button recall later.

The "stacking" art of the idea happens when the rig is
smart enough to save (for example) the last 3 places
you were on 10 meters, without you ever having to
press a button.

For example, the first press of the 10 meter button
would call up 28.010 CW 500hz, the second press,
28.400 usb, and the third press, 29.600 FM with PL and
negative offset - if these were the last three spots
on 10 meters where you were operating.

You never have to press "save", you have an automatic
"bread crumb" trail of all the most recent places
you've been


 






[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
Brian Lloyd brian-wb6rqn at lloyd.com
Sat May 31 13:17:24 EDT 2008

Previous message: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils
Advocate...

The biggest problem with all of this is that different
manufacturers  
have given different names to the same thing and the
same name to  
different things. We can talk about "band stacking
registers" (no clue  
as to what those do even tho' I have them in my Icom
rig), "memories,"  
etc., until we are blue in the face but the real
question is, "what is  
the goal of this feature?"

When designing computer networking equipment my
customers used to  
drive me nuts with requests for various features they
had seen in  
other products. After much poking and prodding I would
usually find  
out that it was some feature that someone else had
been sold upon by  
another vendor. Getting people to tell me what problem
they were  
trying to actually solve was like pulling teeth. OTOH,
once I found  
out what problem they were trying to solve, it was
usually quite easy  
to do that AND incorporate it with something else to
make the whole  
thing simpler for everyone. So here is my guess at
what people are  
trying to accomplish.

As I tune across the band I often hear a signal that
sounds  
interesting, e.g. a station in QSO that I want to go
back to or a pile-
up I don't want to try to deal with now, but I don't
want to stop  
there. I want to keep going. So usually I quickly
scribble the  
frequency on a piece of paper but lately I have taken
to use the VFO A/
B to "remember" the frequency in VFO B while
continuing to tune with  
VFO A (not much use when working split). So I think
what people are  
asking for is a way to hit a single button to drop the
frequency,  
mode, and filter setting in to temporary memory that
will remember the  
last n (2? 3? 10?) button pushes. Then you can move
through these by  
pushing some kind of "go-to-previous/go-to-next"
button. That way you  
can immediately jump back to something you had
previously heard. (I  
like the idea of a knob myself but a forward/back
toggle works too.)

I don't know that I would get all excited about that
-- heck, I think  
that there are already WAY to many features on most
radios and all the  
"features" make operation confusing -- but I can
imagine someone  
wanting to do this, especially during a contest.

So, is this a good problem statement?

--

73 de Brian, WB6RQN
Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com


P.S. -- Pet peeve -- radios with a plethora of
computer features but  
crappy RF hardware. Now the K3 may be well on the way
to the "plethora  
of useless features" but at least it has a great RF
deck.




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[Brian Lloyd-6]

On May 31, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Don Rasmussen wrote:

>>>> So, is this a good problem statement?
>
> Negative.
>
> This may be hard to grasp if you have never used an
> IC756p 775dsp, or OMNI VI+.

I have an IC-706MKII. (Speaking of bad user interfaces ...)

> The object is to have single press access to a desired
> band, on the last freq and mode you used - without
> ever needing to specifically perform a "save"
> operation of that frequency and mode in the past.

But that already happens when I return to a band. I guess I don't see  
the huge advantage of have a separate button to do this when the  
standard band-changing button already does that. OK, I have to press  
my band changing button multiple times to get from 6M to 160M but that  
is not a likely scenario. Most of the time the band I want to get to  
is only one or two button-presses away.

> The rig is smart enough to know anytime that you leave
> a band using memory recall or FREQ ENT, to store the
> last band's freq, mode, and filter settings for single
> button recall later.

Well, the K2 already does that. I am assuming that the K3 does too.  
I'm just not seeing an advantage yet.

And isn't it more likely that people are going to grab the VFO knob  
and twist? If you do that how is the radio going to know to save the  
freq? See, you still need a button-press to say "remember".

> The "stacking" art of the idea happens when the rig is
> smart enough to save (for example) the last 3 places
> you were on 10 meters, without you ever having to
> press a button.

How does it know what the "last" three places were? When I change  
bands? That seems just silly. The radio is not telepathic and can't  
know that I want a particular frequency? If it only happens when I  
leave a band, well, that seems silly as well and now we are back to  
the "frequency of interest" stack I suggested. Oh yeah, when I enter  
another frequency with the keypad. Yeah, I do that all the time ...  
NOT. I tune across the band with the VFO looking for interesting  
signals.

Look, you want to know what comes naturally to people? Sit a new ham  
in front of the radio. I guarantee they are going to grab the VFO knob  
to change frequencies, not key in a new one on the keypad.

(Caveat -- the K3 may already have this, I don't know. If so, I  
apologize for wasting everyone's time.)

> For example, the first press of the 10 meter button
> would call up 28.010 CW 500hz, the second press,
> 28.400 usb, and the third press, 29.600 FM with PL and
> negative offset - if these were the last three spots
> on 10 meters where you were operating.

So I spin the VFO dial, hear a CQ, and reply. Is that when the radio  
knows a frequency is "of interest"? Does keying the rig mean "save  
this"? Do I have to enter a new frequency or change bands? Seems  
awkward. Seems like, "remember this," or, "remember this in memory  
1," (I understand that the K3 does this already) makes more sense to me.

All of this is a user-interface issue. Frankly, the user interface on  
most radios that have microcontrollers sucks.

> You never have to press "save", you have an automatic
> "bread crumb" trail of all the most recent places
> you've been

I must be dense. No matter how it works I still need to do *something*  
to indicate that a frequency is of interest. Just pausing on a  
frequency is not enough. I may have gotten a phone call. I have to  
*DO* something to make the radio know to save that frequency. And if I  
have to do something, it may as well be to tell the radio explicitly  
that I want this frequency.

I am somewhat sensitive to this issue right now. I have 12 new hams in  
my classroom (10 tech and two upgrade to general). They are all  
chomping at the bit to get on the air. I am telling the kids that to  
get on a repeater all they need to do is set the repeater output  
frequency, the offset, and the PL tone into the radio to get in. One  
5th grade boy conned his folks into getting him a new Yaesu VX-3R HT.  
OH MY GOD what an awful radio. I spent a good 5 minutes trying to  
fathom that abortion of a user interface and then had to punt to the  
7th grader (just upgraded to general -- good kid) who had more time  
than I did. (I still had to work with the other kids.) After both of  
them spending 15 minutes heads-down over the manual they figured out  
how to program repeaters and save them to memory. An hour later I  
asked the boy to show me what the sequence was to program a repeater  
into his radio. The response? "Uh ... (furrowed brow) ... (poke-poke-
poke) ... (deer-in-headlights-look) ... (run for the manual) ... uh,  
could you help me again?" Yeah right. Good job Yaesu.

 From now on my recommendations on radios are going to hinge on the  
rationality of the UI. It doesn't matter how good the radio is if the  
operator can't figure out how to use it. And if you can't use it  
without the manual, how are you going to use it in the field?

(BTW after all this I tossed them an old IC-2AT I use as a hidden  
transmitter for our T-hunts. The response? "But this is so easy! How  
come the other radios aren't this easy?" At least Elecraft has active  
hams working on the design of their radios so there is SOME hope for  
us. :-)

So, give me a simple, obvious UI. I can dispense with most features.  
And while I don't think you can beat the UI on the Collins KWM2, the  
K2 is pretty usable. Certainly the kids and I can manage to get that  
radio on the air and on the proper mode to make contacts, without ever  
having to consult the manual. Set the band, set the frequency, set the  
mode, set the filter, set the keyer speed, and start. We even go from  
band to band and the last frequency/mode/filter for that band pops up.  
No huhu.

Well, there is one nit -- who came up with the brilliant idea that AGC  
OFF is not on the AGC button? Another friend has a K2 and didn't even  
know there was an 'AGC Off' function! I had to explain that it was  
function-shift-filter-power-PTT-meta-control-alt-delete-something to  
turn the AGC off and to go look it up in the manual. Hello! Fast,  
slow, Off, Fast, Slow, Off. It isn't rocket science.

(Sorry. Sometimes I get carried away.)

--

73 de Brian, WB6RQN
Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com



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[Vic K2VCO]

Brian Lloyd wrote:
>
>  OK, I have to press my
> band changing button multiple times to get from 6M to 160M but that is
> not a likely scenario. Most of the time the band I want to get to is
> only one or two button-presses away.

Actually, 6M is only one press away from 160. BAND DOWN.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

>
> This may be hard to grasp if you have never used an
> IC756p 775dsp, or OMNI VI+.

The same description applies to the Yaesu FT-920, FT-950,
FT-990, FT-1000D, FT-1000MP, Mark V, FT-2000, FTdx9000, etc.
The number of "last used" frequencies on a given band may
differ (two in the early radios, three or even four in the
later ones) but the operation is consistent.  

The key are dedicated "band select" buttons that allow random
access (direct switching) selection with the ability to choose
alternate saved frequencies (generally, on the other modes)
with successive presses of the specific band button.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Rasmussen
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:32 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...Devils Advocate...
>
>
> >>> So, is this a good problem statement?
>
> Negative.
>
> This may be hard to grasp if you have never used an
> IC756p 775dsp, or OMNI VI+.
>
> The object is to have single press access to a desired
> band, on the last freq and mode you used - without
> ever needing to specifically perform a "save"
> operation of that frequency and mode in the past.
>
> The rig is smart enough to know anytime that you leave
> a band using memory recall or FREQ ENT, to store the
> last band's freq, mode, and filter settings for single
> button recall later.
>
> The "stacking" art of the idea happens when the rig is
> smart enough to save (for example) the last 3 places
> you were on 10 meters, without you ever having to
> press a button.
>
> For example, the first press of the 10 meter button
> would call up 28.010 CW 500hz, the second press,
> 28.400 usb, and the third press, 29.600 FM with PL and
> negative offset - if these were the last three spots
> on 10 meters where you were operating.
>
> You never have to press "save", you have an automatic
> "bread crumb" trail of all the most recent places
> you've been
>
>
>  

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[WILLIS COOKE]

I have two rigs in my shack, a TS-850 with up and down
buttons and a FT-900 with 12 buttons.  I prefer the
TS-850 method because it is easier to punch the button
a number of times than to read the tiny label and
select the correct button on the FT-900.  I hope that
my K3 that will arrive in a week or so works very much
like the TS-850, preferably exactly like the TS-850.


Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ
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[Igor Sokolov-2]

> select the correct button on the FT-900.  I hope that
> my K3 that will arrive in a week or so works very much
> like the TS-850, preferably exactly like the TS-850.
>
>
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ

That is   no RIT Clear button and no finger dimple on the tuning knob?  :)

73, Igor UA9CDC
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[drewko]

On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:35:39 -0400, Joe, W4TV  wrote:

>
>
>
>The key are dedicated "band select" buttons that allow random
>access (direct switching) selection with the ability to choose
>alternate saved frequencies (generally, on the other modes)
>with successive presses of the specific band button.
>
>73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>

Just wondering... in that scheme, is the particular mode always
retained when you switch to a new band? Or might you have to push the
button a time or two to get back to the same mode on the new band.

I assume people don't generally check out all the modes on a
particular band before switching to the next band. Seems more natural
to choose a mode then jump to other bands while in the same mode.

As I mentioned in another post, you could have pretty much the same
capability as the multiple band buttons by using only the Band Up and
Band Down buttons, if they were made mode specific. For example, in CW
the buttons would step through one set of freqs/filter settings; in
USB/LSB they would step through another different set; likewise for
AM, etc.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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[WILLIS COOKE]

Fred, my comment was directed at the frequency
changing method only.  Of course I hope for better
performance from the K3.  I have waited for 18 years
until I was convinced that there was a better than
TS-850 receiver available to replace my TS-850, but I
am still having a hard time believing that it will be
that much better and really eager to find out.

My closest QRO neighbor is about 3 blocks away, but he
is not too active.  We were both in a 160 DX plieup
and I didn't know he was there until I looked for the
DX listening freq and he pegged my S meter, the the
TS-850 is pretty good.  The scuttlebutt has it that
the K3 is much better and I am ready for much better!

Cookie, K5EWJ

--- Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> WILLIS COOKE wrote:
>
> > I hope that
> > my K3 that will arrive in a week or so works very
> much
> > like the TS-850, preferably exactly like the
> TS-850.
> >
>
> Exactly?  Actually, you don't :-)  My beloved TS-850
> is currently on the
> floor beside the desk awaiting adoption by a friend.
>  Band changing on
> the K3 is pretty much the same ... band up/band down
> buttons, and direct
> frequency entry [the legends on the keys are a tad
> different, but it
> works the same], or from the logging computer.
> There, however, is where
> the similarity ends, and you will be amazed and
> happy that it does.
>
> I have KF6T about 2.7 km from me.  I have taken up
> contesting and I'm
> learning.  Jack is an avid contester who keeps the
> power company happy
> with his linear.  On my 850, I could hear his keying
> anywhere in the
> band from the internal IMD generated in the front
> end.  With my K2, I
> can get within a few KHz before I begin to hear his
> keying products.  On
> my K3 in the recent CW WPX, I worked S50A 0.900 KHz
> from him.
>
> Good luck, go slow with the assembly, you are going
> to be really happy.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
> - www.cqp.org
>

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ
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[WILLIS COOKE]

Fred, your post is good news to me.  You make the K3
sound like what I want it to be.  I don't have a 250
Hz filter in my 850, just the 500 Hz, so I don't have
the ringing problem but a better noise blanker would
be welcome and a little less band noise will be
welcome.  I hardly dare to expect the near absence of
band noise that I see claimed, but I will welcome any
improvement.  I didn't realize just how good the
receiver in the 850 is until I tried to use a Yaesu
FT-900 in the ARRL 10 meter contest.  It had so much
intermod and other trash that I had to give up after
about 10 minutes and hook up the 850.  I can't say
that there was none on the 850, but much better.  If
the K3 improves on that I will be in hog heaven!

Cookie

--- Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> WILLIS COOKE wrote:
> > Fred, my comment was directed at the frequency
> > changing method only.  Of course I hope for better
> > performance from the K3.  I have waited for 18
> years
> > until I was convinced that there was a better than
> > TS-850 receiver available to replace my TS-850,
> but I
> > am still having a hard time believing that it will
> be
> > that much better and really eager to find out.
>
> I really like my 850, and thought long and hard
> before deciding to
> replace it with the K3.  I've had the K3 on the air
> about 2 months now,
> but 15 days of that we were gone.  I had an INRAD
> 250 Hz filter in the
> 500 Hz position in the 2nd IF in the 850, and it
> rang quite a bit.  I
> sort of got used to it, but listening "down a pipe"
> got annoying and
> tiring.  The K3 DSP is totally ring-free despite the
> fact that it has
> nearly brick-wall skirts, and being able to
> separately adjust the width
> and center is just amazing.  I haven't tried the
> high/low cut yet.  The
> noise blanker really works, the DSP noise reduction
> really works, and I
> tried out the DSP notch yesterday on two CW signals
> about 90 Hz apart
> and was stunned ... as I moved the notch down, I
> could totally ... I
> mean totally ... get rid of one or the other leaving
> one alone and fully
> copyable.
>
> I don't understand all the bruhaha about band
> selection on the
> reflector, I'm used to the 850, and the K3 is just
> like it.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
> - www.cqp.org
>

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ
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[w7aqk]

Cookie,

I'm only passingly familiar with the TS850.  But I have a very good friend
whose opinion I respect greatly.  He has owned an 850 for years, and
considers it to be superior in many ways to lots of newer rigs.  He does,
however, have a K2 (and a K1), and considers the K2 to be superior on
receive to his 850.  I am pretty sure he also has his eye on a K3, and will
probably order one when the dust settles.  He has told me more than once
that he probably would have gotten rid of the 850 long ago if he had just
seen something newer that really seemed justifiably better.  For him the K2
is more of a field radio and/or QRP contest radio, but the K3 may dislodge
his 850 ultimately.  So, you aren't the only one who holds the 850 in high
regard.  It seems pretty certain that it is one of the "classics" that
doesn't surrender easily.  I suspect you haven't seen much come along either
that made you consider replacing your 850, but the K3 will probably succeed
in doing that.  I probably should have paid more attention to the 850 myself
when it came along originally, but I was pretty happy with Ten-Tec stuff
back then.  I even have an Orion II now, but it doesn't get very much use
due to the K3.  Anyway, prepare yourself to be in "hog heaven" with the K3!

Dave W7AQK

----- Original Message -----
From: "WILLIS COOKE" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band stacking UI rant


Fred, your post is good news to me.  You make the K3
sound like what I want it to be.  I don't have a 250
Hz filter in my 850, just the 500 Hz, so I don't have
the ringing problem but a better noise blanker would
be welcome and a little less band noise will be
welcome.  I hardly dare to expect the near absence of
band noise that I see claimed, but I will welcome any
improvement.  I didn't realize just how good the
receiver in the 850 is until I tried to use a Yaesu
FT-900 in the ARRL 10 meter contest.  It had so much
intermod and other trash that I had to give up after
about 10 minutes and hook up the 850.  I can't say
that there was none on the 850, but much better.  If
the K3 improves on that I will be in hog heaven!

Cookie


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[Stewart Baker]

I have a TS850, K2 & K3 and I'm keeping all of them...

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:13:14 -0700, David Yarnes wrote:
> Cookie,
>
> I'm only passingly familiar with the TS850.  But I have a very
good friend
> whose opinion I respect greatly.  He has owned an 850 for years,
and
> considers it to be superior in many ways to lots of newer rigs.
 He does,
> however, have a K2 (and a K1), and considers the K2 to be
superior on
> receive to his 850.  I am pretty sure he also has his eye on a
K3, and will
> probably order one when the dust settles.  He has told me more
than once
> that he probably would have gotten rid of the 850 long ago if he
had just
> seen something newer that really seemed justifiably better.  For
him the K2
> is more of a field radio and/or QRP contest radio, but the K3
may dislodge
> his 850 ultimately.  So, you aren't the only one who holds the
850 in high
> regard.  It seems pretty certain that it is one of the
"classics" that
> doesn't surrender easily.  I suspect you haven't seen much come
along either
> that made you consider replacing your 850, but the K3 will
probably succeed
> in doing that.  I probably should have paid more attention to
the 850 myself
> when it came along originally, but I was pretty happy with
Ten-Tec stuff
> back then.  I even have an Orion II now, but it doesn't get very
much use
> due to the K3.  Anyway, prepare yourself to be in "hog heaven"
with the K3!
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WILLIS COOKE" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]> "Elecraft Reflector"
<[hidden email]>

> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band stacking UI rant
>
>
> Fred, your post is good news to me.  You make the K3
> sound like what I want it to be.  I don't have a 250
> Hz filter in my 850, just the 500 Hz, so I don't have
> the ringing problem but a better noise blanker would
> be welcome and a little less band noise will be
> welcome.  I hardly dare to expect the near absence of
> band noise that I see claimed, but I will welcome any
> improvement.  I didn't realize just how good the
> receiver in the 850 is until I tried to use a Yaesu
> FT-900 in the ARRL 10 meter contest.  It had so much
> intermod and other trash that I had to give up after
> about 10 minutes and hook up the 850.  I can't say
> that there was none on the 850, but much better.  If
> the K3 improves on that I will be in hog heaven!
>
> Cookie
>
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[Charly]

Fords are better.  No, Chevy!

No, Ford... punch!

Noooo, Chevy... punch, punch, bash!

Ford!.... punch, bash, blast!

........... news reporter:  "An unexplained small atomic explosion was seen

at a local drag race track.  Witnesses reported hearing two grown men

arguing about the superiority of two popular, nearly identical, automobile brands, followed by

a fist fight, shots fired, and the explosion.  The mushroom cloud slowly drifted

away, leaving only the two men's shoes, empty and still smoking on the tarmack."

"In other related news, an eldery man with a radio was seen

using it as a club, bashing another grey-haired man.  The second man was

forced to drop the other radio device he was carrying as he .......   "

Ah, human beings......  73


Charles Harpole
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[Ian Maude]

Charles Harpole wrote:

> Fords are better.  No, Chevy!
>
> No, Ford... punch!
>
> Noooo, Chevy... punch, punch, bash!
>
> Ford!.... punch, bash, blast!
>
> ........... news reporter:  "An unexplained small atomic explosion was seen
>
> at a local drag race track.  Witnesses reported hearing two grown men
>
> arguing about the superiority of two popular, nearly identical, automobile brands, followed by
>
> a fist fight, shots fired, and the explosion.  The mushroom cloud slowly drifted
>
> away, leaving only the two men's shoes, empty and still smoking on the tarmack."
>
> "In other related news, an eldery man with a radio was seen
>
> using it as a club, bashing another grey-haired man.  The second man was
>
> forced to drop the other radio device he was carrying as he .......   "
>
> Ah, human beings......  73
>  

Sorry but I have no idea what that was about?

73 Ian

--

Ian J Maude, G0VGS
SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster
Member RSGB, GQRP
K2 #4044 |K3 #455

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[Charly]

This is a poor attempt to satirize the innane and unstoppable gushing


of OPINIONS, stated as facts, about which radio is BEST.  Satire is


a literary device that attempts to put humor onto a difficult or


silly situation.  73


Charles Harpole
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> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:42:04 +0100
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] UI rant dramatized
>
> Charles Harpole wrote:
>> Fords are better. No, Chevy!
>>
>> No, Ford... punch!
>>
>> Noooo, Chevy... punch, punch, bash!
>>
>> Ford!.... punch, bash, blast!
>>
>> ........... news reporter: "An unexplained small atomic explosion was seen
>>
>> at a local drag race track. Witnesses reported hearing two grown men
>>
>> arguing about the superiority of two popular, nearly identical, automobile brands, followed by
>>
>> a fist fight, shots fired, and the explosion. The mushroom cloud slowly drifted
>>
>> away, leaving only the two men's shoes, empty and still smoking on the tarmack."
>>
>> "In other related news, an eldery man with a radio was seen
>>
>> using it as a club, bashing another grey-haired man. The second man was
>>
>> forced to drop the other radio device he was carrying as he ....... "
>>
>> Ah, human beings...... 73
>>
> Sorry but I have no idea what that was about?
>
> 73 Ian
>
> --
>
> Ian J Maude, G0VGS
> SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster
> Member RSGB, GQRP
> K2 #4044 |K3 #455
>
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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Let's end this thread. Its taking up way too much reflector bandwidth. :-)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
Elecraft List Moderator

=====
Charles Harpole wrote:

> This is a poor attempt to satirize the innane and unstoppable gushing
> of OPINIONS, stated as facts, about which radio is BEST.  Satire is
> a literary device that attempts to put humor onto a difficult or
> silly situation.  73
>
> Charles Harpole
> [hidden email]
> ------
>
> Charles Harpole wrote:
>  
>>> Fords are better. No, Chevy!
>>> No, Ford... punch!
>>> Noooo, Chevy... punch, punch, bash!
>>> Ford!.... punch, bash, blast!
>>> ........... news reporter: "An unexplained small atomic explosion was seen
>>> at a local drag race track. Witnesses reported hearing two grown men
>>> arguing about the superiority of two popular, nearly identical, automobile brands, followed by
>>> a fist fight, shots fired, and the explosion. The mushroom cloud slowly drifted
>>> away, leaving only the two men's shoes, empty and still smoking on the tarmack."
>>> "In other related news, an eldery man with a radio was seen
>>> using it as a club, bashing another grey-haired man. The second man was
>>> forced to drop the other radio device he was carrying as he ....... "
>>> Ah, human beings...... 7
>> Sorry but I have no idea what that was about?
>>
>> 73 Ian
>>
>>    

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