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Deni F5VJC

K3 Bootup sequence?

When booting up my PC connected to the K3 it keys the TX several times
during the bootup sequence, I imagine when initialising the various
comports. I need to power up the K3 first before PC boot as I have added LP
Bridge to my PC auto start program list and it wants to see the K3 to
enable the connect port.

Is there a way to auto inhibit TX keying during PC bootup ( eg. placing the
TX into TEST mode)?

I believe there must be a way but can't find it as yet.

Thanks, 73 F5VJC
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

If you are using DTR and/or RTS for PTT or keying, that will happen as
the OS tests the serial ports.
If you do not need that keying, turn it off in the K3 menu.
If you do need it, I would suggest putting a DB-9 A/B switch in the
serial line. Turn it to break the connection to the K3 during the PC
bootup cycle.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/25/2013 11:16 AM, F5vjc wrote:

Matt Zilmer

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Deni F5VJC

I've been using TX TEST for this purpose. Your K3 is probably set up
to use DTR or RTS for keying. When the USB enumerator starts up, the
first thing it does is reset all the hubs and endpoints, and this
causes the serial adapter's DTR/RTS to become asserted, keying the K3.
USB may be reset several times, resulting in TX cycles to match.

The only other way of preventing this (that I know of) is to unplug
the serial line at the adapter.

This shouln't happen on a regular COM port, one that's integrated into
the computer. I believe it will *always* happen if there's a
USB/serial adapter in line.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:16:16 +0200, you wrote:

>When booting up my PC connected to the K3 it keys the TX several times
>during the bootup sequence, I imagine when initialising the various
>comports. I need to power up the K3 first before PC boot as I have added LP
>Bridge to my PC auto start program list and it wants to see the K3 to
>enable the connect port.
>
>Is there a way to auto inhibit TX keying during PC bootup ( eg. placing the
>TX into TEST mode)?
>
>I believe there must be a way but can't find it as yet.
>
>Thanks, 73 F5VJC
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Cady, Fred

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

The other thing you can do is to go into the CW WGHT menu, tap the 4 key and select VOX AUTOOFF. This turns VOX off when you turn the radio off and so the PC won't key the radio while it (the PC) is booting up. You have to push VOX to turn it back on, which is a bit of a pain, but I put a message in the banner message telling me to do this. This only works if you turn the K3 off and then back on before booting up the PC.
Cheers and 73,
Fred

Fred Cady
www.ke7x.com
fcady at ieee dot org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:28 AM
> To: F5vjc
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bootup sequence?
>
> If you are using DTR and/or RTS for PTT or keying, that will happen as
> the OS tests the serial ports.
> If you do not need that keying, turn it off in the K3 menu.
> If you do need it, I would suggest putting a DB-9 A/B switch in the
> serial line. Turn it to break the connection to the K3 during the PC
> bootup cycle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/25/2013 11:16 AM, F5vjc wrote:
> > When booting up my PC connected to the K3 it keys the TX several
> times
> > during the bootup sequence, I imagine when initialising the various
> > comports. I need to power up the K3 first before PC boot as I have
> added LP
> > Bridge to my PC auto start program list and it wants to see the K3 to
> > enable the connect port.
> >
> > Is there a way to auto inhibit TX keying during PC bootup ( eg.
> placing the
> > TX into TEST mode)?
> >
> > I believe there must be a way but can't find it as yet.
> >
> > Thanks, 73 F5VJC
> >
>
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Mike K2MK

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Deni F5VJC

Hi Deni,

This happens for me whenever I open WriteLog. I just switch my external antenna switch to the dummy load first. It transmits for a second but I don't care because it's transmitting into the dummy load.

I don't like to use Test Mode because I forget to go back to live mode. I never forget to switch back to the antenna because I don't hear any stations when I'm on the dummy load.

73,
Mike K2MK

Deni F5VJC wrote

When booting up my PC connected to the K3 it keys the TX several times
during the bootup sequence, I imagine when initialising the various
comports. I need to power up the K3 first before PC boot as I have added LP
Bridge to my PC auto start program list and it wants to see the K3 to
enable the connect port.

Is there a way to auto inhibit TX keying during PC bootup ( eg. placing the
TX into TEST mode)?

I believe there must be a way but can't find it as yet.

Thanks, 73 F5VJC

Vic Rosenthal

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Matt Zilmer

It happens on my computer, with a real COM port. I used DTR keying and allowed the N1MM
contest logger to generate CW for years, but finally gave up and got a Winkey USB device.
I am happy I did -- the CW is cleaner, and I don't have to worry about accidentally keying
the transmitter on boot-up.

On 6/25/2013 8:30 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:

> I've been using TX TEST for this purpose. Your K3 is probably set up
> to use DTR or RTS for keying. When the USB enumerator starts up, the
> first thing it does is reset all the hubs and endpoints, and this
> causes the serial adapter's DTR/RTS to become asserted, keying the K3.
> USB may be reset several times, resulting in TX cycles to match.
>
> The only other way of preventing this (that I know of) is to unplug
> the serial line at the adapter.
>
> This shouln't happen on a regular COM port, one that's integrated into
> the computer. I believe it will *always* happen if there's a
> USB/serial adapter in line.
>
> 73,
> matt W6NIA
>
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:16:16 +0200, you wrote:
>> When booting up my PC connected to the K3 it keys the TX several times
>> during the bootup sequence, I imagine when initialising the various
>> comports. I need to power up the K3 first before PC boot as I have added LP
>> Bridge to my PC auto start program list and it wants to see the K3 to
>> enable the connect port.
>>
>> Is there a way to auto inhibit TX keying during PC bootup ( eg. placing the
>> TX into TEST mode)?
>>
>> I believe there must be a way but can't find it as yet.
>>
>> Thanks, 73 F5VJC
>> ______________________________________________________________
>>

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Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

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Deni F5VJC

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Cady, Fred

Thanks to all who responded. Fred has the answer for me, select VOX AUTOOFF
(I actually thought I had this mode selected but apparently not) Anyway
this works great, thanks Fred.
If you forget VOX is in AUTOOFF the first CW key press gives a reminder in
VFO B, VFO=OFF, but not subsequent key presses only the first. This is is
fine for me.
73 All, Deni F5VJC

On 25 June 2013 17:38, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The other thing you can do is to go into the CW WGHT menu, tap the 4 key
> and select VOX AUTOOFF. This turns VOX off when you turn the radio off and
> so the PC won't key the radio while it (the PC) is booting up. You have to
> push VOX to turn it back on, which is a bit of a pain, but I put a message
> in the banner message telling me to do this. This only works if you turn
> the K3 off and then back on before booting up the PC.
> Cheers and 73,
> Fred
>
>
> Fred Cady
> www.ke7x.com
> fcady at ieee dot org
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:28 AM
> > To: F5vjc
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bootup sequence?
> >
> > If you are using DTR and/or RTS for PTT or keying, that will happen as
> > the OS tests the serial ports.
> > If you do not need that keying, turn it off in the K3 menu.
> > If you do need it, I would suggest putting a DB-9 A/B switch in the
> > serial line. Turn it to break the connection to the K3 during the PC
> > bootup cycle.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 6/25/2013 11:16 AM, F5vjc wrote:
> > > When booting up my PC connected to the K3 it keys the TX several
> > times
> > > during the bootup sequence, I imagine when initialising the various
> > > comports. I need to power up the K3 first before PC boot as I have
> > added LP
> > > Bridge to my PC auto start program list and it wants to see the K3 to
> > > enable the connect port.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to auto inhibit TX keying during PC bootup ( eg.
> > placing the
> > > TX into TEST mode)?
> > >
> > > I believe there must be a way but can't find it as yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks, 73 F5VJC
> > >
> >
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Gary Bartlett VE1RGB

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Cady, Fred

The selection to which Fred refers was added by Wayne to the K3 menu at my
request on the grounds that, as originally designed, the K3 could start
transmitting at full power to the surprise of someone who innocently turned
a computer ON while it was attached to a K3 and that, to me, was a safety
issue. My suggestion was based on my first use of K3 #95 at a Field Day
where that exact situation occurred. Fortunately no test equipment was
fried nor did the radio transmit into an un-terminated RF output or cause
difficulties to the folks who were connecting the antenna at that point in
time. Maybe it's my aerospace background but to me, a transmitter should
not transmit unless one specifically and consciously and knowledgeably
commands it to transmit by making some sort of enabling selection on the
transmitter :)

I always smile a little when I hear the distinct sequence of K3 keying tones
while tuning around on HF. Another K3 is on the air!

73,
Gary VE1RGB

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cady, Fred
Sent: June-25-13 12:39 PM
To: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bootup sequence?

The other thing you can do is to go into the CW WGHT menu, tap the 4 key and
select VOX AUTOOFF. This turns VOX off when you turn the radio off and so
the PC won't key the radio while it (the PC) is booting up. You have to push
VOX to turn it back on, which is a bit of a pain, but I put a message in the
banner message telling me to do this. This only works if you turn the K3 off
and then back on before booting up the PC.
Cheers and 73,
Fred

Fred Cady
www.ke7x.com
fcady at ieee dot org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:28 AM
> To: F5vjc
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bootup sequence?
>
> If you are using DTR and/or RTS for PTT or keying, that will happen as
> the OS tests the serial ports.
> If you do not need that keying, turn it off in the K3 menu.
> If you do need it, I would suggest putting a DB-9 A/B switch in the
> serial line. Turn it to break the connection to the K3 during the PC
> bootup cycle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/25/2013 11:16 AM, F5vjc wrote:
> > When booting up my PC connected to the K3 it keys the TX several
> times
> > during the bootup sequence, I imagine when initialising the various
> > comports. I need to power up the K3 first before PC boot as I have
> added LP
> > Bridge to my PC auto start program list and it wants to see the K3
> > to enable the connect port.
> >
> > Is there a way to auto inhibit TX keying during PC bootup ( eg.
> placing the
> > TX into TEST mode)?
> >
> > I believe there must be a way but can't find it as yet.
> >
> > Thanks, 73 F5VJC
> >
>
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Edward R Cole

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Deni F5VJC

One other way to prevent the K3 from transmitting (it will still key
but with no RF output). Apply 5v to pin-7 of the ACC after
placing TX INH set to HI in the CONFIG menu. Remove the 5v and the
radio will function normally.

http://www.kl7uw.com/TX-INHIBIT.htm
shows how to use inhibit on VHF bands but not on HF. A simple
modification could be done where the relay is replaced by a toggle
switch and eliminate the transistor and BAND and DIGOUT
circuitry. The voltage regulator, 1K resistor, and diode are not
needed and can be replaced with a 2.2K to 10K resistor (K3 manual,
page 19) connected to 12v thru a toggle switch.

I just boot my computer before powering up the K3 (I am not using the
LP Bridge).

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Vic Rosenthal

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

If you do this, make sure that when you remove the 5v pin 7 is either grounded directly or
via a resistor. if you let it float, it may inhibit output in that condition.

Yes, I see that Ed didn't do that in his schematic -- maybe it's rig-dependent, but I've
had this problem.

On 6/25/2013 10:46 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:

> One other way to prevent the K3 from transmitting (it will still key but with no RF
> output). Apply 5v to pin-7 of the ACC after placing TX INH set to HI in the CONFIG
> menu. Remove the 5v and the radio will function normally.
>
> http://www.kl7uw.com/TX-INHIBIT.htm
> shows how to use inhibit on VHF bands but not on HF. A simple modification could be
> done where the relay is replaced by a toggle switch and eliminate the transistor and
> BAND and DIGOUT circuitry. The voltage regulator, 1K resistor, and diode are not needed
> and can be replaced with a 2.2K to 10K resistor (K3 manual, page 19) connected to 12v
> thru a toggle switch.
>
> I just boot my computer before powering up the K3 (I am not using the LP Bridge).
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
> [hidden email]
> "Kits made by KL7UW"

Edward R Cole

Re: K3 Bootup sequence?

In reply to this post by Deni F5VJC

Vic,

Yes, a better way would be using a diode thru a switch to ground. In
my diagrams the 1K resistor probably should be retained so the diode
does not draw excessive current when grounded (not needed if you use
the 2.2K to 10K dropping resistor in place of the 5v regulator)

In my circuits a relay (shown as K4 "TX2 SEQ Stage") in my sequencer
grounds the diode. This enables the transmitter after all preamps,
TR relays, and other transmitting equipment have been switched into
"transmit mode". I only use inhibit on 6m and above bands and this
is to avoid hot switching my eme QRO equipment.

The VOX/AUTO-OFF is probably more convenient to avoid RS232 start up
keying. No extra circuitry needed.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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If you do this, make sure that when you remove the 5v pin 7 is either
grounded directly or
via a resistor. if you let it float, it may inhibit output in that condition.

Yes, I see that Ed didn't do that in his schematic -- maybe it's
rig-dependent, but I've
had this problem.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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"Kits made by KL7UW"

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