K3 Build Comments
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Well, after two evenings of building the K3 I got the power to it without smoke. Still have quite a bit to do, but I am taking my time. It has been enjoyable. The build is not hard, but I marvel at how the guys in Aptos put the puzzle together in the first place. A piece of professional engineering art. Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Lee, you have no idea how jealous I am. With 2 kids still at KSU my K3 budget is nil.
Maybe after one graduates in May. Bill NZ0T
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Well, here's a little nugget of info to make it seem not so bad that you have to wait. I've heard rumours that there have been a few hardware mods made to the K3, unannounced on this list. They may or may not include changes to lower TX spurii on 5MHz, a mod to improve TX/RX turnaround times for modes like Amtor, and one to improve still further the close-in IMD performance. These mods would involve changes to SMD components on the board, so making them would be beyond the skills of most of us. The IMD mod has apparently been done on the ARRL's test rig, so the figures that are eventually reported in QST won't apply to those of us with unmodified rigs. When you do get to order your K3, it will have all those mods incorporated, so you'll have a better rig than those who have one now.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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> When you do get to order your K3, it will have all those mods incorporated,
> so you'll have a better rig than those who have one now. I hope we're not trying spread some FUD. In the past Elecraft has made sure that any improvements are available to all. Every K2 ever built can be brought up to current standards. I can't imagine that the K3 will be any different. When all the dust settles from the initial K3 release, I expect Elecraft will figure out how to update any hardware that needs updating. Mark AD5SS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Well, the K2 was built by the user component by component and is modifiable in the same way. The K3 is not. I agree with you that on past form it would be surprising if Elecraft did not publish details of the modifications so that users who wished and were able to perform them could bring their radios up to the latest spec. However, many K3 owners will not have the skills to perform these mods. I don't think that's FUD, just fact.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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In reply to this post by Mark Bayern
Wayne has already made a comment to that egect on a mod to the KXV3
On 27/02/2008 15:38, "Mark Bayern" <[hidden email]> sent: >> When you do get to order your K3, it will have all those mods incorporated, >> so you'll have a better rig than those who have one now. > > I hope we're not trying spread some FUD. > > In the past Elecraft has made sure that any improvements are available > to all. Every K2 ever built can be brought up to current standards. I > can't imagine that the K3 will be any different. > > When all the dust settles from the initial K3 release, I expect > Elecraft will figure out how to update any hardware that needs > updating. If all is not lost, where is it? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Julian, G4ILO
G4ILO wrote:
> However, many K3 owners will not have the skills to > perform these mods. I don't think that's FUD, just fact. With regard to the mods that I know about, they are easy. Someone who does not own a soldering iron or is uncomfortable can pay someone to do it for him. Just like he would with Yaecomwood. Except that the layout of the K2 is open, it's easy to disassemble, component density is low, and -- ultimately -- you will have complete documentation. I don't see why imaginable issue has to be cast as some kind of failure by Elecraft, when in fact they do a better job of meeting user needs in situations like this than anyone else. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 Build Comments
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Since the radio is as modular as it is, and most of us actually did the
assembly, swapping boards by mail to upgrade should certainly be a possibility. I can do some SMT work, so I'll certainly consider that, although I'm also a short, interesting, trip from Aptos. 73, doug Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:39:10 -0800 From: Vic K2VCO <[hidden email]> G4ILO wrote: > However, many K3 owners will not have the skills to > perform these mods. I don't think that's FUD, just fact. With regard to the mods that I know about, they are easy. Someone who does not own a soldering iron or is uncomfortable can pay someone to do it for him. Just like he would with Yaecomwood. Except that the layout of the K2 is open, it's easy to disassemble, component density is low, and -- ultimately -- you will have complete documentation. I don't see why imaginable issue has to be cast as some kind of failure by Elecraft, when in fact they do a better job of meeting user needs in situations like this than anyone else. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Vic K2VCO
I don't recall casting anything as a failure by Elecraft. I was merely pointing out an upside to ordering later that many might not be aware of. As to whether Elecraft does a better job of meeting user needs than anyone else, perhaps those who are still awaiting the implementation of features that have been on hold since the 2nd RX problems occurred (not to mention those awaiting the 2nd RX itself) might disagree with you. Nobody is suggesting they aren't doing the best they can (or at least I'm not) but only someone who has been on Mars for the last six months could agree that they are meeting everyone's expectations.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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In reply to this post by k0wa@swbell.net
Since the radio is as modular as it is, and most of us actually did the
>assembly, swapping boards by mail to upgrade should certainly be a >possibility. This concept was one of the design considerations. ------------------------- 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 and 0319 On Wed Feb 27 10:13 , Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 sent: >> >I can do some SMT work, so I'll certainly consider that, although I'm >also a short, interesting, trip from Aptos. > >73, doug > > > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:39:10 -0800 > From: Vic K2VCO [hidden email]> > > G4ILO wrote: > > > However, many K3 owners will not have the skills to > > perform these mods. I don't think that's FUD, just fact. > > With regard to the mods that I know about, they are easy. Someone who > does not own a soldering iron or is uncomfortable can pay someone to do > it for him. > > Just like he would with Yaecomwood. > > Except that the layout of the K2 is open, it's easy to disassemble, > component density is low, and -- ultimately -- you will have complete > documentation. > > I don't see why imaginable issue has to be cast as some kind of failure > by Elecraft, when in fact they do a better job of meeting user needs in > situations like this than anyone else. > -- > 73, > Vic, K2VCO > Fresno CA > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote:
> Since the radio is as modular as it is, and most of us actually did the > assembly, swapping boards by mail to upgrade should certainly be a > possibility. How do you define most? > > I can do some SMT work, so I'll certainly consider that, although I'm > also a short, interesting, trip from Aptos. You are indeed fortunate. But let's say someone doesn't have the skills to do the board swap....since "most" of us actually did the assembly, perhaps there is a consensus on how long it would take to disassemble, swap modular whatevers, reassemble and test. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by k0wa@swbell.net
That obviously depends on which board. Swapping the RF board is going to be much more involved
than replacing the KPA3, or SYN/REF boards. If I need a mod to my RF board, I would be more inclined to send the whole radio as a mod can likely be done while the radio is completely assembled, except for maybe the top and/or a bottom cover. Anything more than that I would just open the radio and unplug the effected board and mail that in an anti-static bag. I say this for me as my hands shake too much to work with SMT devices. Many out there with kits (note I said many and not all) would not have a problem doing a mod themselves. I'm sure Elecraft will make this process as painless as possible when the time comes. ------------------------- 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 and 0319 On Wed Feb 27 10:30 , Thom LaCosta sent: >On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote: > >> Since the radio is as modular as it is, and most of us actually did the >> assembly, swapping boards by mail to upgrade should certainly be a >> possibility. > >How do you define most? > >> >> I can do some SMT work, so I'll certainly consider that, although I'm >> also a short, interesting, trip from Aptos. > >You are indeed fortunate. > >But let's say someone doesn't have the skills to do the board swap....since >"most" of us actually did the assembly, perhaps there is a consensus on how long >it would take to disassemble, swap modular whatevers, reassemble and test. > >73 k3hrn >Thom,EIEIO >Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer > >www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon >www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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