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alsopb

K3 Button Box

N2TK suggested that I post this.

If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I
have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
Sits next to my keyboard.

It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port
sharing software is required. Some free software products work.

Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.

No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for
me OK.

73 de Brian/K3KO
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M0XDF

Re: K3 Button Box

Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers?
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

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> On 15 Feb 2015, at 18:44, brian <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> N2TK suggested that I post this.
>
> If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
> Sits next to my keyboard.
>
> It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port sharing software is required. Some free software products work.
>
> Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.
>
> No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me OK.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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David Pratt

Re: K3 Button Box

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On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers?

Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems.

73 de David G4DMP
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bs usb

Re: K3 Button Box

David,

There are people who would argue that going to a PC is anything but an
upgrade.

I use both.

My MacBook drive has multiple partitions and runs multiple operating
systems, one of which is MSWindows

David Pratt wrote:

> On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers?
> Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems.
>
> 73 de David G4DMP
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Doug Turnbull

Re: K3 Button Box

Dear OMs,
I think it was meant to be a "tongue in cheek" remark. This could
however lead to mucho overreaction.
73 Doug EI2CN

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David,

There are people who would argue that going to a PC is anything but an
upgrade.

I use both.

My MacBook drive has multiple partitions and runs multiple operating
systems, one of which is MSWindows

David Pratt wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]>
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>> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers?
> Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems.
>
> 73 de David G4DMP
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: K3 Button Box

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More to the point, this is a religious argument, and religion is far
outside the list charter.

On 2/15/2015 11:38 AM, bs usb wrote:

> David,
>
> There are people who would argue that going to a PC is anything but an
> upgrade.
>
> I use both.
>
> My MacBook drive has multiple partitions and runs multiple operating
> systems, one of which is MSWindows
>
> David Pratt wrote:
>> On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF"
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers?
>> Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems.
>>
>> 73 de David G4DMP
>> ______________________________________________________________

Jim Bolit

Re: K3 Button Box

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B I N G O !!!!!!

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On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]>
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>
> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers?

Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems.

73 de David G4DMP
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Re: K3 Button Box

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I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the Atmel AVR Line)
I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation Keypad.
Thank you

From: brian <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box

N2TK suggested that I post this.

If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I
have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
Sits next to my keyboard.

It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port
sharing software is required. Some free software products work.

Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.

No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for
me OK.

73 de Brian/K3KO
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Harlan Sherriff

Re: K3 Button Box

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I would be interested as well

Harlan
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> </div><div>Date:02/15/2015 4:23 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: brian <[hidden email]>, [hidden email] </div><div>Cc: </div><div>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box </div><div>
</div>I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the Atmel AVR Line)
I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation Keypad.
Thank you

From: brian <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box

N2TK suggested that I post this.

If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I
have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
Sits next to my keyboard.

It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port
sharing software is required. Some free software products work.

Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.

No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for
me OK.

73 de Brian/K3KO
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Joshua Gould, K8WXA

Re: K3 Button Box

Could something like this be adapted for us KX3 owners as well?

72,
Joshua Gould
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 5:09 PM, hsherriff <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I would be interested as well
>
> Harlan
> NC3C
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Harry Yingst via
> Elecraft <[hidden email]> </div><div>Date:02/15/2015 4:23 PM
> (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: brian <[hidden email]>,
> [hidden email] </div><div>Cc: </div><div>Subject: Re:
> [Elecraft] K3 Button Box </div><div>
> </div>I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for
> the Atmel AVR Line)
> I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a
> Genovation Keypad.
> Thank you
>
>
> From: brian <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box
>
> N2TK suggested that I post this.
>
> If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I
> have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
> Sits next to my keyboard.
>
> It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port
> sharing software is required. Some free software products work.
>
> Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.
>
> No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for
> me OK.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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Re: K3 Button Box

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Genovation, provides the software to program them.
They are basically a fully programmable keypad that you would just write a macro for each key.

I plan on buying on at some point but just gave other projects that have taken priority.
The keyboard should just plug into the K3, But I want to experiment with "Y"ing it with the PC(Perhaps with Diodes to have the keypad not interfere with the computer).
I have installed them before in commercial settings and they seem to work well.

From: Doug Turnbull <[hidden email]>
To: 'Harry Yingst' <[hidden email]>
Cc: Brendan Minish <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box

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From: Harry Yingst [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 15 February 2015 21:47
To: Doug Turnbull
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ButtonBox    it'sa serial Keypad, with lots of programmable buttons    LookHere http://www.eham.net/articles/32176 From: Doug Turnbull < [hidden email] >
To: ' Harry Yingst ' <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 20154:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 ButtonBox
Harry,
Just what does the Genovation Keypad do for you and how does one
interface it to the K3 and then use it? Can I use it to activatethe DVR
voice and CW messages?

It has always been a pain holding my index finger up at an
uncomfortable angle and height to the M1 through M4 buttons. Then
sometimes in the middle of the pile up my finger slips hitting another
button. This is one of the weak spots in the K3 design but one which I am
afraid will not be addressed. It has been brought up before and wellthere
is so much good about the K3 that one feels churlish to complain.

73 Doug EI2CN

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Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: 15 February 2015 21:24
To: brian; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box

I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the
Atmel AVR Line)
I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation
Keypad.
Thank you

From: brian <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box

N2TK suggested that I post this.

If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I
have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
Sits next to my keyboard.

It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port
sharing software is required. Some free software products work.

Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.

No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for
me OK.

73 de Brian/K3KO
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Chris Hallinan

Re: K3 Button Box

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I am also interested in your design.
Are there any commercial solutions out there?

Thanks,

Chris

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:44 PM, brian <[hidden email]> wrote:

> N2TK suggested that I post this.
>
> If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a
> 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
> Sits next to my keyboard.
>
> It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port
> sharing software is required. Some free software products work.
>
> Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.
>
> No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me
> OK.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

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> Are there any commercial solutions out there?

It looks like the Genovation CP24 would be one commercial solution.
It is programmable ~100 bytes per macro and if one of the keys is
dedicated as a toggle the user can program up to 46 macros (24 normal,
24 alternate or shifted). Note: the software provides for more than
one shift/toggle key but the keypad has only one LED indicator which
would make it difficult to handle more than two levels of macros with
a toggle - of course more than two levels are available without any
ambiguity using "shift" keys.

The CP24 is available in multiple versions - a serial version that
could probably be connected directly to the K3 for stand alone use
(without computer logging software) and a USB version that could be
used (with port splitting software) in a computer with a logging
program.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-15 7:00 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:

> I am also interested in your design.
> Are there any commercial solutions out there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:44 PM, brian <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> N2TK suggested that I post this.
>>
>> If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a
>> 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC.
>> Sits next to my keyboard.
>>
>> It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port
>> sharing software is required. Some free software products work.
>>
>> Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes.
>>
>> No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me
>> OK.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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Could you expand a bit on the keypad please? Like how it connects to
the K3/P3, with SVGA I assume? I am new enough to the K3 to have never
heard of this.
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> I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the Atmel AVR Line)
> I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation Keypad.
> Thank you
>

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Re: K3 Button Box

This would be quite an interesting Arduino project. You could use a
couple of serial chips - one to receive from the computer, the other to
transmit to the K3/KX3. Normally incoming traffic is just redirected
from input to output. When a button is pushed, the macro is just passed
to the output. Add a 2x16 LCD display and you could manage groups of
macros that you could scroll through. Lots of possibilities for an
interesting project.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

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K3 Button Box

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Other than an excuse to build something there might be another way. I haven't used one on my K3 but I do use one on my KX3.
I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 keys. One of those is used as a shift key so I have access to 46 macros at the touch of a button. Each macro space will hold approx. 180 characters so there is plenty of room for elaborate macros. Programming is a snap with the graphical interface supplied as is a cable. Cost was about $90.00 as I recall. There is a model with 35 keys.

Might be the answer to your needs.

PJH, N7PXY
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Re: K3 Button Box

See the interesting note below from the Genovation web page.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 2/16/2015 7:31 AM, P.J.Hicks wrote:
> Other than an excuse to build something there might be another way. I haven't used one on my K3 but I do use one on my KX3.
> I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 keys. One of those is used as a shift key so I have access to 46 macros at the touch of a button. Each macro space will hold approx. 180 characters so there is plenty of room for elaborate macros. Programming is a snap with the graphical interface supplied as is a cable. Cost was about $90.00 as I recall. There is a model with 35 keys.
>
> Might be the answer to your needs.
>
> - Release Date: 02/15/15

> The MacroMaster684 configuration softwar
> e is designed to work with computers
> running Microsoft Windows 2000/XP/Vista
> operating systems (32-bit). The 684
> keypad itself will work with any
> OS.

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Re: K3 Button Box

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> I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24
> keys.

Model 684 appears to have been replaced by model CP24 DB9 Serial. The
specification set is otherwise the same. The CP24 is also available in
a USB version (CP24 USB Virtual Serial).

> There is a model with 35 keys.

Model 683 is the 35 key version. It is shown as discontinued although
NOS units may remain in stock with some distributors. Model 683 has
been replaced by CP48 with 48 keys available in serial or USB versions.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-16 2:31 AM, P.J.Hicks wrote:

> Other than an excuse to build something there might be another way. I haven't used one on my K3 but I do use one on my KX3.
> I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 keys. One of those is used as a shift key so I have access to 46 macros at the touch of a button. Each macro space will hold approx. 180 characters so there is plenty of room for elaborate macros. Programming is a snap with the graphical interface supplied as is a cable. Cost was about $90.00 as I recall. There is a model with 35 keys.
>
> Might be the answer to your needs.
>
> PJH, N7PXY
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Re: K3 Button Box

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I have to say, it's sounds interesting and were it not for me being a lazy, appliance op with no time to do much of anything (including playing radio), I'd give it a go.

What I'd like would be for someone to spec if out, write the code etc and make that available.
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73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
Anyone can do any amount of work, provided it isn't the work he is supposed
to be doing at that moment. -Robert Benchley

> On 16 Feb 2015, at 03:37, Doug Person via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This would be quite an interesting Arduino project. You could use a couple of serial chips - one to receive from the computer, the other to transmit to the K3/KX3. Normally incoming traffic is just redirected from input to output. When a button is pushed, the macro is just passed to the output. Add a 2x16 LCD display and you could manage groups of macros that you could scroll through. Lots of possibilities for an interesting project.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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