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Phil Hystad

K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

Gang,

I am in that part of the K3 calibration and configuration steps called "Reference Oscillator" in the Owner's Manual (page 50). And, I am confused.

There is an errata sheet that says that the K3 Utility has an added TXCO calibration data entry screen but I do not find it on my running version of the K3 Utility. I just downloaded this version of the K3 utility tonight.

Also, the errata sheet goes on to say that the calibration information entered using the K3 utility is not yet used by the K3 firmware. Now, give this fact, does this mean, that the calibration procedure described as "Method 3" on page 50 of the owner's manual is not available to me.

If I can't use method 3 then I presume that I must rely on method 1 or 2 and since I do not have a frequency counter with the +1/-1 Hz accuracy then I would have to use method 2. Is this true?

Thanks for the help.

73, phil, K7PEH
Brand new K3 serial number 3799.
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

The Mac version of the K3 Utility doesn't yet have the means to enter the
TCXO data. The Windows version of the K3 Utility does.

The K3 MCU doesn't yet USE this data for anything, so it's not urgent that
you enter it.

W4SMT, the author of the Mac version of the K3 Utility, plans to add this
capability in the near future.

Method 3 is not yet available.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:37 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

Gang,

I am in that part of the K3 calibration and configuration steps called
"Reference Oscillator" in the Owner's Manual (page 50). And, I am confused.

There is an errata sheet that says that the K3 Utility has an added TXCO
calibration data entry screen but I do not find it on my running version of
the K3 Utility. I just downloaded this version of the K3 utility tonight.

Also, the errata sheet goes on to say that the calibration information
entered using the K3 utility is not yet used by the K3 firmware. Now, give
this fact, does this mean, that the calibration procedure described as
"Method 3" on page 50 of the owner's manual is not available to me.

If I can't use method 3 then I presume that I must rely on method 1 or 2 and
since I do not have a frequency counter with the +1/-1 Hz accuracy then I
would have to use method 2. Is this true?

Thanks for the help.

73, phil, K7PEH
Brand new K3 serial number 3799.
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Phil Hystad

Re: K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

Thanks.

I actually would be using my Mac but since I was not sure if the Mac was as up to date with the K3 utility I decided to use my Windows laptop after I dusted it off and booted it up.

I am going to use WWV tomorrow when I can get a good 15 MHz WWV signal. No luck on trying that tonight. I do copy the 5 MHz WWV signal pretty well but the owner's manual says to use the highest frequency for best accuracy.

However, I must not have the latest version of the K3 utility even though I downloaded it tonight. Did I download the wrong version. Here let me check. I have version 1.2.12.28.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

> The Mac version of the K3 Utility doesn't yet have the means to enter the
> TCXO data. The Windows version of the K3 Utility does.
>
> The K3 MCU doesn't yet USE this data for anything, so it's not urgent that
> you enter it.
>
> W4SMT, the author of the Mac version of the K3 Utility, plans to add this
> capability in the near future.
>
> Method 3 is not yet available.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:37 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator
>
> Gang,
>
> I am in that part of the K3 calibration and configuration steps called
> "Reference Oscillator" in the Owner's Manual (page 50). And, I am confused.
>
> There is an errata sheet that says that the K3 Utility has an added TXCO
> calibration data entry screen but I do not find it on my running version of
> the K3 Utility. I just downloaded this version of the K3 utility tonight.
>
> Also, the errata sheet goes on to say that the calibration information
> entered using the K3 utility is not yet used by the K3 firmware. Now, give
> this fact, does this mean, that the calibration procedure described as
> "Method 3" on page 50 of the owner's manual is not available to me.
>
> If I can't use method 3 then I presume that I must rely on method 1 or 2 and
> since I do not have a frequency counter with the +1/-1 Hz accuracy then I
> would have to use method 2. Is this true?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> Brand new K3 serial number 3799.
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

In reply to this post by Phil Hystad

Phil,

Your assumptions are correct - all of that is true. Use Method 2. The
typical 1ppm TCXO provides the speced temperature stability of .5ppm, so
the specification is met even though the temperature compensation is not
available. Wayne is working on an algorithm that will provide .25 ppm
stability with the temperature compensation, so if you wait a while, you
will have better than speced stability.

In the meantime. K3 Utility has provided a way to enter the 1ppm TCXO
into the K3 data tables. Nothing is done with that data presently - it
must wait for Method 3 to be available in the firmware.

73,
Don W3FPR

Phil Hystad wrote:

> Gang,
>
> I am in that part of the K3 calibration and configuration steps called "Reference Oscillator" in the Owner's Manual (page 50). And, I am confused.
>
> There is an errata sheet that says that the K3 Utility has an added TXCO calibration data entry screen but I do not find it on my running version of the K3 Utility. I just downloaded this version of the K3 utility tonight.
>
> Also, the errata sheet goes on to say that the calibration information entered using the K3 utility is not yet used by the K3 firmware. Now, give this fact, does this mean, that the calibration procedure described as "Method 3" on page 50 of the owner's manual is not available to me.
>
> If I can't use method 3 then I presume that I must rely on method 1 or 2 and since I do not have a frequency counter with the +1/-1 Hz accuracy then I would have to use method 2. Is this true?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> Brand new K3 serial number 3799.
>
>

Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

In reply to this post by Phil Hystad

On the Calibration page of the version you have, there should be a button
labeled "Enter TCXO Data..." That's the one...

Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Hystad [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:02 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference
Oscillator

Thanks.

I actually would be using my Mac but since I was not sure if the Mac was as
up to date with the K3 utility I decided to use my Windows laptop after I
dusted it off and booted it up.

I am going to use WWV tomorrow when I can get a good 15 MHz WWV signal. No
luck on trying that tonight. I do copy the 5 MHz WWV signal pretty well but
the owner's manual says to use the highest frequency for best accuracy.

However, I must not have the latest version of the K3 utility even though I
downloaded it tonight. Did I download the wrong version. Here let me
check. I have version 1.2.12.28.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

confused.
>
> There is an errata sheet that says that the K3 Utility has an added TXCO
> calibration data entry screen but I do not find it on my running version
of
> the K3 Utility. I just downloaded this version of the K3 utility tonight.
>
> Also, the errata sheet goes on to say that the calibration information
> entered using the K3 utility is not yet used by the K3 firmware. Now,
give
> this fact, does this mean, that the calibration procedure described as
> "Method 3" on page 50 of the owner's manual is not available to me.
>
> If I can't use method 3 then I presume that I must rely on method 1 or 2
and

> since I do not have a frequency counter with the +1/-1 Hz accuracy then I
> would have to use method 2. Is this true?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> Brand new K3 serial number 3799.
> ______________________________________________________________
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Phil Hystad

Re: K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

Dick,

Thanks. I see why I went astray. The owner's manual lead me astray. Method 3 is documented as "Run K3 Utility and click on the Configuration tab. Follow the on-screen instructions to enter your calibration data."

And, that is what I did. But, the owner's manual should have said to click on the Calibration tab and then select the "Enter TCXO Data...".

73,phil,K7PEH

On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

> On the Calibration page of the version you have, there should be a button
> labeled "Enter TCXO Data..." That's the one...
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Hystad [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:02 PM
> To: Dick Dievendorff
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference
> Oscillator
>
> Thanks.
>
> I actually would be using my Mac but since I was not sure if the Mac was as
> up to date with the K3 utility I decided to use my Windows laptop after I
> dusted it off and booted it up.
>
> I am going to use WWV tomorrow when I can get a good 15 MHz WWV signal. No
> luck on trying that tonight. I do copy the 5 MHz WWV signal pretty well but
> the owner's manual says to use the highest frequency for best accuracy.
>
> However, I must not have the latest version of the K3 utility even though I
> downloaded it tonight. Did I download the wrong version. Here let me
> check. I have version 1.2.12.28.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>
>> The Mac version of the K3 Utility doesn't yet have the means to enter the
>> TCXO data. The Windows version of the K3 Utility does.
>>
>> The K3 MCU doesn't yet USE this data for anything, so it's not urgent that
>> you enter it.
>>
>> W4SMT, the author of the Mac version of the K3 Utility, plans to add this
>> capability in the near future.
>>
>> Method 3 is not yet available.
>>
>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:37 PM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator
>>
>> Gang,
>>
>> I am in that part of the K3 calibration and configuration steps called
>> "Reference Oscillator" in the Owner's Manual (page 50). And, I am
> confused.
>>
>> There is an errata sheet that says that the K3 Utility has an added TXCO
>> calibration data entry screen but I do not find it on my running version
> of
>> the K3 Utility. I just downloaded this version of the K3 utility tonight.
>>
>> Also, the errata sheet goes on to say that the calibration information
>> entered using the K3 utility is not yet used by the K3 firmware. Now,
> give
>> this fact, does this mean, that the calibration procedure described as
>> "Method 3" on page 50 of the owner's manual is not available to me.
>>
>> If I can't use method 3 then I presume that I must rely on method 1 or 2
> and
>> since I do not have a frequency counter with the +1/-1 Hz accuracy then I
>> would have to use method 2. Is this true?
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> Brand new K3 serial number 3799.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>

Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference Oscillator

I split the K3 Utility Configuration tab into two tabs after the owner's
manual was written. There were too many concepts on one tab page.

The K3 Utility does have a Help file and it's indexed. The main Help page
has an overview of what's available, and it mentions "Enter temperature
calibration data for your KTCXO-3..."

The K3 firmware and K3 Utility are frequently updated. The owner's manual
sometimes lags...

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Hystad [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:13 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference
Oscillator

Dick,

Thanks. I see why I went astray. The owner's manual lead me astray.
Method 3 is documented as "Run K3 Utility and click on the Configuration
tab. Follow the on-screen instructions to enter your calibration data."

And, that is what I did. But, the owner's manual should have said to click
on the Calibration tab and then select the "Enter TCXO Data...".

73,phil,K7PEH

On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

as
> up to date with the K3 utility I decided to use my Windows laptop after I
> dusted it off and booted it up.
>
> I am going to use WWV tomorrow when I can get a good 15 MHz WWV signal.
No
> luck on trying that tonight. I do copy the 5 MHz WWV signal pretty well
but
> the owner's manual says to use the highest frequency for best accuracy.
>
> However, I must not have the latest version of the K3 utility even though
I

> downloaded it tonight. Did I download the wrong version. Here let me
> check. I have version 1.2.12.28.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>
>> The Mac version of the K3 Utility doesn't yet have the means to enter the
>> TCXO data. The Windows version of the K3 Utility does.
>>
>> The K3 MCU doesn't yet USE this data for anything, so it's not urgent

that

>> you enter it.
>>
>> W4SMT, the author of the Mac version of the K3 Utility, plans to add this
>> capability in the near future.
>>
>> Method 3 is not yet available.
>>
>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:37 PM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Calibration and Configuration: Reference

Oscillator

>>
>> Gang,
>>
>> I am in that part of the K3 calibration and configuration steps called
>> "Reference Oscillator" in the Owner's Manual (page 50). And, I am
> confused.
>>
>> There is an errata sheet that says that the K3 Utility has an added TXCO
>> calibration data entry screen but I do not find it on my running version
> of
>> the K3 Utility. I just downloaded this version of the K3 utility

tonight.

>>
>> Also, the errata sheet goes on to say that the calibration information
>> entered using the K3 utility is not yet used by the K3 firmware. Now,
> give
>> this fact, does this mean, that the calibration procedure described as
>> "Method 3" on page 50 of the owner's manual is not available to me.
>>
>> If I can't use method 3 then I presume that I must rely on method 1 or 2
> and
>> since I do not have a frequency counter with the +1/-1 Hz accuracy then I
>> would have to use method 2. Is this true?
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> Brand new K3 serial number 3799.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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