K3; Eric, Wayne, a feature for the wish list
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Yes Gary, Elecraft made the K3 "CB Proof", lets keep it that way, no roger beeps thanks. Let keep the good k3 rep. Very impressed with latest mcu 4.51 firmware loaded last night here. On 7O6T this morning here , RDO. Adrian ... vk4tux > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Gregory" <[hidden email]> > To: "Richard Fjeld" <[hidden email]> > Cc: "elecraft posting" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3; Eric, Wayne, a feature for the wish list > > > *Oh no please, no more Roger Beeps...my hearing get's rattled with the > sharp tone generated by some of these Rogef Beeps heard on 20M lately. > > There is enough beeps, squeeks, rattles from clunky microphones, over > driven compression, key clicks and the list goes on. Lets not add more > noises to the bands. > > Placing a sign on the radio with "OVER" in bold type could serve as a > reminder for those of us who forget at times to end an over in an > appropriate way and that creates no additional noise. > > Using headphones here all the time I have noticed when working weak > signals > that when a Roger Beep is used it produces a sharp spike in the audio > which > is distracting and in my case very annoying. > > I would strongly voice my opposition to such an addition if it were to be > considered. > > YMMV > > Gary > * > On 11 May 2012 06:02, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> You have some excellent menu options in the K3, even a built-in 2-tone >> generator for checking SSB. There is the SW Tone option to aid visually >> impaired people, and others, know when something is turned on, or off, by >> it's tones. Also, I understand there is Elecraft software that speaks >> from >> a computer as controls are used. I think your f/w and s/w are excellent. >> >> Some of the hams I round-table with are up in the years, and struggle to >> hear. I use a headset mike which makes no mechanical sound when I >> release >> the remote PTT. They can't tell when I release it unless I say 'over'. >> I >> optioned CW+SSB, but I often forget to tap the paddle when I'm done >> talking. >> >> Knowing I run a K3, I have been asked if it could be optioned to beep >> when >> the PTT is released. >> >> For your consideration, and thanks. >> >> Richard Fjeld, NØCE >> [hidden email] >> I'd rather be learning. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > -- > Gary > VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile > Elecraft Equipment > K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 > Living the dream!!! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3; Eric, Wayne, a feature for the wish list
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Having said that, Adrian, so many people still call the K3 a 'radio'
rather than a transceiver. In a recent message, Adrian <[hidden email]> writes > >Yes Gary, Elecraft made the K3 "CB Proof", lets keep it that way, no roger >beeps thanks. -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Howdy, folks;
I really do think some of the thought processes have gone to the extreme. I happen to know the fellow who had presented the original point or desire for a "courtesy beep" function. Dick (Richard) is very well qualified, is an extremely good example of all phases of communications, courtesy, etc., etc. There are some responses that make Dick look like he just got his brand new "ham ticket" but still yearns for the good old days, when his radio would send a series of three to five beeps or whoops. No, Dick is about as far from the CB lingo and operation as one can imagine. This is nit to say that "this sort of communication" is wrong or bad, but most might agree that might not like to endure a whoop at the end of every radio transmission. Dick had mentioned that he uses a headset. His PTT function is quite to the point that is is virtually non-existent. Now, if he or others have a relaxed, slow speech "gait" (for the lack of a better word) the words that stop being voiced may be a simple PAUSE as a further thought is being considered, or it might simply be the end of what he had to say at that moment. -Now all of you know this, but I just wanted to be clear as to how this might almost "invite" another person to jump in with a "seemingly fit" reply. -Which might actually occurring at the same time that the other party resumes his statements. (DOUBLING, in other words...) I also do NOT want or like the thought of a chat that involves a harsh set of beeps! I do not like the thought of even ONE offensive beep. To be effective, a "noise" that lets others know that a PTT button has been released should (stressing SHOULD, here) be subtle. If a "courtesy beep" is made up of only a few cycles of an audio tone, it largely becomes a CLICK. THIS would be good, in my opinion. The "click" should also be LOW IN AMPLITUDE. -This would also be good. The problem is this: The K3 is TOO GOOD! One cannot tell is the radio has stopped transmitting! A little low-amplitude click or beep is a valid thought. One could make the end-of-transmission "announcement" as long and as loud as desired or might be deemed needed. Or, it can be TURNED OFF, just like the two-tone generator that Dick had mentioned. (We'd still have control over the "Roger Beep..!) (I'd hope...) Sincere 73 to all who might consider; -Mike- KØJTA On 5/10/12 4:21 PM, Adrian wrote: > > Yes Gary, Elecraft made the K3 "CB Proof", lets keep it that way, no > roger > beeps thanks... > > Adrian ... vk4tux >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Gregory" <[hidden email]> >> To: "Richard Fjeld" <[hidden email]> >> Cc: "elecraft posting" <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3; Eric, Wayne, a feature for the wish list >> >> >> *Oh no please, no more Roger Beeps...my hearing get's rattled with the >> sharp tone generated by some of these Rogef Beeps heard on 20M lately. >> >> There is enough beeps, squeeks, rattles from clunky microphones, over >> driven compression, key clicks and the list goes on. Lets not add more >> noises to the bands. >> >> Placing a sign on the radio with "OVER" in bold type could serve as a >> reminder for those of us who forget at times to end an over in an >> appropriate way and that creates no additional noise. >> >> Using headphones here all the time I have noticed when working weak >> signals >> that when a Roger Beep is used it produces a sharp spike in the audio >> which >> is distracting and in my case very annoying. >> >> I would strongly voice my opposition to such an addition if it were >> to be >> considered. >> >> YMMV >> >> Gary >> * >> On 11 May 2012 06:02, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> You have some excellent menu options in the K3, even a built-in 2-tone >>> generator for checking SSB. There is the SW Tone option to aid >>> visually >>> impaired people, and others, know when something is turned on, or >>> off, by >>> it's tones. Also, I understand there is Elecraft software that >>> speaks from >>> a computer as controls are used. I think your f/w and s/w are >>> excellent. >>> >>> Some of the hams I round-table with are up in the years, and >>> struggle to >>> hear. I use a headset mike which makes no mechanical sound when I >>> release >>> the remote PTT. They can't tell when I release it unless I say >>> 'over'. I >>> optioned CW+SSB, but I often forget to tap the paddle when I'm done >>> talking. >>> >>> Knowing I run a K3, I have been asked if it could be optioned to >>> beep when >>> the PTT is released. >>> >>> For your consideration, and thanks. >>> >>> Richard Fjeld, NØCE >>> [hidden email] >>> I'd rather be learning. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary >> VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile >> Elecraft Equipment >> K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 >> Living the dream!!! >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 5/11/2012 1:02 PM, Mike Schwendeman wrote: > The problem is this: The K3 is TOO GOOD! One cannot tell is the radio > has stopped transmitting! A little low-amplitude click or beep is a > valid thought. No, the K3 is designed the way all transceivers should be. There is no low level hum, carrier leakage, or fan noise that lets others know the PTT switch is being 'mashed". In addition, there are no relays with high voltage or high current to spark or spike an couple into transmit audio when the PTT is releases or poorly designed ALC loops to pump up the gain as the transmitter begins to transition back to receive. This is good and results in more natural voice operation; the next step is greater use of VOX! Wayne has already said there ain't gonna be no stinking roger beeps so that's not the issue here. The issue is the presence of *any* added garbage in amateur radio. All manufacturers should be striving to produce audio as clean and artifact free as that from the K3 without spoiling it with add-ons that have the potential to increase QRM and noise to adjacent channel users (which is exactly what roger beeps do). 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I got enough beeps/pops/and other noise generated by Smart
phone/computer/email/house alarms/etc.. Don't need any more. Leave the R Beeps to the repeater guys! Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:40 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3; Eric, Wayne, a feature for the wish list On 5/11/2012 1:02 PM, Mike Schwendeman wrote: > The problem is this: The K3 is TOO GOOD! One cannot tell is the radio > has stopped transmitting! A little low-amplitude click or beep is a > valid thought. No, the K3 is designed the way all transceivers should be. There is no low level hum, carrier leakage, or fan noise that lets others know the PTT switch is being 'mashed". In addition, there are no relays with high voltage or high current to spark or spike an couple into transmit audio when the PTT is releases or poorly designed ALC loops to pump up the gain as the transmitter begins to transition back to receive. This is good and results in more natural voice operation; the next step is greater use of VOX! Wayne has already said there ain't gonna be no stinking roger beeps so that's not the issue here. The issue is the presence of *any* added garbage in amateur radio. All manufacturers should be striving to produce audio as clean and artifact free as that from the K3 without spoiling it with add-ons that have the potential to increase QRM and noise to adjacent channel users (which is exactly what roger beeps do). 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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