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Lu Romero - W4LT

K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

Hi all:

A local friend brought this to my attention.

Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio built in PSK31
keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232. When he tries to set Split, the radio
tells him "SPL N/A".

I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in RTTY, both AFSK
and FSK, but I get the same indication when I try to set a Split using PSK
31. Im not a digital mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers not to use a
computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK transmit/receive feature using
the CW paddkes.

He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's right!

He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work around the issue
this way. I can also work around the issue by using XIT, but it is
cumbersome.

Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the secret to setting
split in PSK31?

Thanks for the input!

-lu-w4lt-
K3 # 3192

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S Kosmetatos

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

Hey guys,

I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into this issue as well
using PSK over the weekend, and though HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as
intuitive or as handy as just being able to invoke a split mode using the
VFOs.

Is this working as designed for this particular data mode, or am I too
missing something in the configuration?

Thanks,

Kos, N4NIA

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Luis V. Romero
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

Hi all:

A local friend brought this to my attention.

Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio built in PSK31
keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232. When he tries to set Split, the radio
tells him "SPL N/A".

I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in RTTY, both AFSK
and FSK, but I get the same indication when I try to set a Split using PSK
31. Im not a digital mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers not to use a
computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK transmit/receive feature using
the CW paddkes.

He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's right!

He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work around the issue
this way. I can also work around the issue by using XIT, but it is
cumbersome.

Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the secret to setting
split in PSK31?

Thanks for the input!

-lu-w4lt-
K3 # 3192

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Gary Gregory

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

I am puzzled as to why split would be used in PSK-31??? Given the mode it
is, the band width used etc, etc......

I have not come across stations operating split on PSK-31 but then that is
most likely my fault as I don't use that mode very often nowadays...:-)

73's
Gary

On 11 May 2011 12:36, S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into this issue as well
> using PSK over the weekend, and though HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as
> intuitive or as handy as just being able to invoke a split mode using the
> VFOs.
>
> Is this working as designed for this particular data mode, or am I too
> missing something in the configuration?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kos, N4NIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Luis V. Romero
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode
>
> Hi all:
>
> A local friend brought this to my attention.
>
> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio built in PSK31
> keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232. When he tries to set Split, the
> radio
> tells him "SPL N/A".
>
> I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in RTTY, both AFSK
> and FSK, but I get the same indication when I try to set a Split using PSK
> 31. Im not a digital mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
> sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers not to use a
> computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK transmit/receive feature using
> the CW paddkes.
>
> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's right!
>
> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work around the issue
> this way. I can also work around the issue by using XIT, but it is
> cumbersome.
>
> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the secret to setting
> split in PSK31?
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
> -lu-w4lt-
> K3 # 3192
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

In reply to this post by S Kosmetatos

> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into this issue as
> well using PSK over the weekend, and though HRD has a split mode, it
> wasn't as intuitive or as handy as just being able to invoke a split
> mode using the VFOs.

If one is using DATA A as appropriate for PSK31 with HRD, you should
be able to invoke split. Note *BOTH* VFOs must be in DATA A before
one can invoke split.

Split is not applicable in PSK D mode (paddle -> DATA) as that is
apparently a limitation in the DSP implementation at the present
time.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 5/10/2011 10:36 PM, S Kosmetatos wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into this issue as well
> using PSK over the weekend, and though HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as
> intuitive or as handy as just being able to invoke a split mode using the
> VFOs.
>
> Is this working as designed for this particular data mode, or am I too
> missing something in the configuration?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kos, N4NIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Luis V. Romero
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode
>
> Hi all:
>
> A local friend brought this to my attention.
>
> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio built in PSK31
> keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232. When he tries to set Split, the radio
> tells him "SPL N/A".
>
> I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in RTTY, both AFSK
> and FSK, but I get the same indication when I try to set a Split using PSK
> 31. Im not a digital mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
> sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers not to use a
> computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK transmit/receive feature using
> the CW paddkes.
>
> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's right!
>
> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work around the issue
> this way. I can also work around the issue by using XIT, but it is
> cumbersome.
>
> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the secret to setting
> split in PSK31?
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
> -lu-w4lt-
> K3 # 3192
>
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Nr4c

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory

On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:16 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote:

> I am puzzled as to why split would be used in PSK-31??? Given the
> mode it
> is, the band width used etc, etc......
>
> I have not come across stations operating split on PSK-31 but then
> that is
> most likely my fault as I don't use that mode very often
> nowadays...:-)
>
> 73's
> Gary
>
> On 11 May 2011 12:36, S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into this issue as
>> well
>> using PSK over the weekend, and though HRD has a split mode, it
>> wasn't as
>> intuitive or as handy as just being able to invoke a split mode
>> using the
>> VFOs.
>>
>> Is this working as designed for this particular data mode, or am I
>> too
>> missing something in the configuration?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kos, N4NIA
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Luis V.
>> Romero
>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> A local friend brought this to my attention.
>>
>> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio built in
>> PSK31
>> keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232. When he tries to set Split,
>> the
>> radio
>> tells him "SPL N/A".
>>
>> I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in RTTY, both
>> AFSK
>> and FSK, but I get the same indication when I try to set a Split
>> using PSK
>> 31. Im not a digital mode person, but I do understand that you can
>> do this
>> sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers not to
>> use a
>> computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK transmit/receive
>> feature using
>> the CW paddkes.
>>
>> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's right!
>>
>> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work around the
>> issue

I have used software that allows independent selection of RX and TX
frequencies, within the audio bandwidth. Left-click for RX, right-click
for TX. Most notable is "Hamscope", but I have seen others.

...bill nr4c

> this way. I can also work around the issue by using XIT, but it is
>> cumbersome.
>>
>> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the secret to
>> setting
>> split in PSK31?
>>
>> Thanks for the input!
>>
>> -lu-w4lt-
>> K3 # 3192
>>
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Lu Romero - W4LT

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

In reply to this post by Lu Romero - W4LT

I dont know either, Gary... Usually, when I operate PSK31, I
use the computer, and since I dont use that mode too often
either, I have never run into the need to run split.

But it is a valid question... Why cant you set split in
Digital mode PSK on the radio, yet you can set it for RTTY
and AFSK...

Seems to me it should make no difference to the radio.
Maybe it has something to do with the firmware decoder for
PSK31.

-lu-w4lt-
K3 # 3192

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
To: S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
mode
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:16 +1000

>I am puzzled as to why split would be used in PSK-31???
>Given the mode it is, the band width used etc, etc......
>
>I have not come across stations operating split on PSK-31
>but then that is most likely my fault as I don't use that
>mode very often nowadays...:-)
>
>73's
>Gary
>
>On 11 May 2011 12:36, S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into
>> this issue as well using PSK over the weekend, and though
>> HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as intuitive or as handy
>> as just being able to invoke a split mode using the VFOs.
>>
>> Is this working as designed for this particular data mode
>> , or am I too missing something in the configuration?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kos, N4NIA
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Luis V. Romero Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
>>mode
>> Hi all:
>>
>> A local friend brought this to my attention.
>>
>> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio
>> built in PSK31 keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232.
>> When he tries to set Split, the radio
>> tells him "SPL N/A".
>>
>> I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in
>> RTTY, both AFSK and FSK, but I get the same indication
>> when I try to set a Split using PSK 31. Im not a digital
>> mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
>sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers
>> not to use a computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK
>> transmit/receive feature using the CW paddkes.
>>
>> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's
>>right!
>> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work
>> around the issue this way. I can also work around the
>> issue by using XIT, but it is cumbersome.
>>
>> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the
>> secret to setting split in PSK31?
>>
>> Thanks for the input!
>>
>> -lu-w4lt-
>> K3 # 3192
>>
>>
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S Kosmetatos

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

Joe, W4TV may have hit on the answer - both VFOs muct be in DATA A mode; I'll
have to wait to get home to check this out. This of course wouldn't allow
cross-mode operation, though I don't see that happening with these particular
modes.

I've seen two DX stations on PSK in the last two weeks using split mode - the
latest was an A4 on PSK-63 this past weekend advertising he was listening 1-2
UP. He had a rather robust pileup going.... I can see the usefullness of this
for DXpeditions that would choose to operate on PSK.

Kos, N4NIA

________________________________
From: Lu Romero <[hidden email]>
To: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>; S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 11:30:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

I dont know either, Gary... Usually, when I operate PSK31, I
use the computer, and since I dont use that mode too often
either, I have never run into the need to run split.

But it is a valid question... Why cant you set split in
Digital mode PSK on the radio, yet you can set it for RTTY
and AFSK...

Seems to me it should make no difference to the radio.
Maybe it has something to do with the firmware decoder for
PSK31.

-lu-w4lt-
K3 # 3192

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
To: S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
mode
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:16 +1000

Gary Gregory

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

LU,

Aaaah....now the light bulb has been energised...Grin

Guess I better go listen around some more and yes I see the reason now.

73's
Gary - slow learner

On 12 May 2011 02:03, Kos <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Joe, W4TV may have hit on the answer - both VFOs muct be in DATA A mode;
> I'll have to wait to get home to check this out. This of course wouldn't
> allow cross-mode operation, though I don't see that happening with these
> particular modes.
>
> I've seen two DX stations on PSK in the last two weeks using split mode -
> the latest was an A4 on PSK-63 this past weekend advertising he was
> listening 1-2 UP. He had a rather robust pileup going.... I can see the
> usefullness of this for DXpeditions that would choose to operate on PSK.
>
> Kos, N4NIA
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Lu Romero <[hidden email]>
> *To:* Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>; S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]
> >
>
> *Cc:* [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> *Sent:* Wed, May 11, 2011 11:30:16 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode
>
> I dont know either, Gary... Usually, when I operate PSK31, I
> use the computer, and since I dont use that mode too often
> either, I have never run into the need to run split.
>
> But it is a valid question... Why cant you set split in
> Digital mode PSK on the radio, yet you can set it for RTTY
> and AFSK...
>
> Seems to me it should make no difference to the radio.
> Maybe it has something to do with the firmware decoder for
> PSK31.
>
> -lu-w4lt-
> K3 # 3192
>
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
> To: S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
> mode
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:16 +1000
>
> >I am puzzled as to why split would be used in PSK-31???
> >Given the mode it is, the band width used etc, etc......
> >
> >I have not come across stations operating split on PSK-31
> >but then that is most likely my fault as I don't use that
> >mode very often nowadays...:-)
> >
> >73's
> >Gary
> >
> >On 11 May 2011 12:36, S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into
> >> this issue as well using PSK over the weekend, and though
> >> HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as intuitive or as handy
> >> as just being able to invoke a split mode using the VFOs.
> >>
> >> Is this working as designed for this particular data mode
> >> , or am I too missing something in the configuration?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Kos, N4NIA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> >> Luis V. Romero Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
> >>mode
> >> Hi all:
> >>
> >> A local friend brought this to my attention.
> >>
> >> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio
> >> built in PSK31 keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232.
> >> When he tries to set Split, the radio
> >> tells him "SPL N/A".
> >>
> >> I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in
> >> RTTY, both AFSK and FSK, but I get the same indication
> >> when I try to set a Split using PSK 31. Im not a digital
> >> mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
> >sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers
> >> not to use a computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK
> >> transmit/receive feature using the CW paddkes.
> >>
> >> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's
> >>right!
> >> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work
> >> around the issue this way. I can also work around the
> >> issue by using XIT, but it is cumbersome.
> >>
> >> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the
> >> secret to setting split in PSK31?
> >>
> >> Thanks for the input!
> >>
> >> -lu-w4lt-
> >> K3 # 3192
> >>
> >>
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>

Bob Naumann W5OV

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

At the risk of beating the same old expired equine, this is because the
radio's SPLIT function is disabled unless you already have the other VFO
and mode set in a way that allows you to go SPLIT. This is a bad thing and
a flaw in the K3's operational logic.

I have pointed out that this is a flaw previously, and yours is just
another example that proves the point.

The way it should work is that when you PRESS and HOLD SPLIT,

***AND *ONLY IF* both VFO's are NOT on the same band and mode***

the radio should do a VFOA->VFOB and then enable SPLIT. Otherwise, if both
VFOs are already on the same band and mode, it should only enable SPLIT
without first making the VFOs equal.

The error message that it won't allow SPLIT when the VFO and mode is
different serves no useful purpose and is a waste of time. Talk about
ergonomic overhead!

73,

Bob W5OV

> LU,
>
> Aaaah....now the light bulb has been energised...Grin
>
> Guess I better go listen around some more and yes I see the reason now.
>
> 73's
> Gary - slow learner
>
> On 12 May 2011 02:03, Kos <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Joe, W4TV may have hit on the answer - both VFOs muct be in DATA A mode;
>> I'll have to wait to get home to check this out. This of course wouldn't
>> allow cross-mode operation, though I don't see that happening with these
>> particular modes.
>>
>> I've seen two DX stations on PSK in the last two weeks using split mode
>> -
>> the latest was an A4 on PSK-63 this past weekend advertising he was
>> listening 1-2 UP. He had a rather robust pileup going.... I can see the
>> usefullness of this for DXpeditions that would choose to operate on PSK.
>>
>> Kos, N4NIA
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Lu Romero <[hidden email]>
>> *To:* Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>; S Kosmetatos
>> <[hidden email]
>> >
>>
>> *Cc:* [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> *Sent:* Wed, May 11, 2011 11:30:16 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode
>>
>> I dont know either, Gary... Usually, when I operate PSK31, I
>> use the computer, and since I dont use that mode too often
>> either, I have never run into the need to run split.
>>
>> But it is a valid question... Why cant you set split in
>> Digital mode PSK on the radio, yet you can set it for RTTY
>> and AFSK...
>>
>> Seems to me it should make no difference to the radio.
>> Maybe it has something to do with the firmware decoder for
>> PSK31.
>>
>> -lu-w4lt-
>> K3 # 3192
>>
>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>> From: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
>> To: S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
>> mode
>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:16 +1000
>>
>> >I am puzzled as to why split would be used in PSK-31???
>> >Given the mode it is, the band width used etc, etc......
>> >
>> >I have not come across stations operating split on PSK-31
>> >but then that is most likely my fault as I don't use that
>> >mode very often nowadays...:-)
>> >
>> >73's
>> >Gary
>> >
>> >On 11 May 2011 12:36, S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into
>> >> this issue as well using PSK over the weekend, and though
>> >> HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as intuitive or as handy
>> >> as just being able to invoke a split mode using the VFOs.
>> >>
>> >> Is this working as designed for this particular data mode
>> >> , or am I too missing something in the configuration?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Kos, N4NIA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: [hidden email]
>> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> >> Luis V. Romero Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
>> >> To: [hidden email]
>> >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
>> >>mode
>> >> Hi all:
>> >>
>> >> A local friend brought this to my attention.
>> >>
>> >> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio
>> >> built in PSK31 keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232.
>> >> When he tries to set Split, the radio
>> >> tells him "SPL N/A".
>> >>
>> >> I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in
>> >> RTTY, both AFSK and FSK, but I get the same indication
>> >> when I try to set a Split using PSK 31. Im not a digital
>> >> mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
>> >sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers
>> >> not to use a computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK
>> >> transmit/receive feature using the CW paddkes.
>> >>
>> >> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's
>> >>right!
>> >> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work
>> >> around the issue this way. I can also work around the
>> >> issue by using XIT, but it is cumbersome.
>> >>
>> >> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the
>> >> secret to setting split in PSK31?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the input!
>> >>
>> >> -lu-w4lt-
>> >> K3 # 3192
>> >>
>> >>
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>
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Buck - k4ia

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

Press 2 times quickly to transfer both frequency and mode to VFO B.
Then, press and hold to go into Split Operation.

Or, even easier, using a program like WinWarbler that decodes multiple
traces, you can pick your transmit frequency and watch the receive side
in a separate frame. That is the way I would do PSK split.

Buck
k4ia

On 5/11/2011 5:49 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> At the risk of beating the same old expired equine, this is because the
> radio's SPLIT function is disabled unless you already have the other VFO
> and mode set in a way that allows you to go SPLIT. This is a bad thing and
> a flaw in the K3's operational logic.
>
> I have pointed out that this is a flaw previously, and yours is just
> another example that proves the point.
>
> The way it should work is that when you PRESS and HOLD SPLIT,
>
> ***AND *ONLY IF* both VFO's are NOT on the same band and mode***
>
> the radio should do a VFOA->VFOB and then enable SPLIT. Otherwise, if both
> VFOs are already on the same band and mode, it should only enable SPLIT
> without first making the VFOs equal.
>
> The error message that it won't allow SPLIT when the VFO and mode is
> different serves no useful purpose and is a waste of time. Talk about
> ergonomic overhead!
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
>
>
>> LU,
>>
>> Aaaah....now the light bulb has been energised...Grin
>>
>> Guess I better go listen around some more and yes I see the reason now.
>>
>> 73's
>> Gary - slow learner
>>
>> On 12 May 2011 02:03, Kos<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, W4TV may have hit on the answer - both VFOs muct be in DATA A mode;
>>> I'll have to wait to get home to check this out. This of course wouldn't
>>> allow cross-mode operation, though I don't see that happening with these
>>> particular modes.
>>>
>>> I've seen two DX stations on PSK in the last two weeks using split mode
>>> -
>>> the latest was an A4 on PSK-63 this past weekend advertising he was
>>> listening 1-2 UP. He had a rather robust pileup going.... I can see the
>>> usefullness of this for DXpeditions that would choose to operate on PSK.
>>>
>>> Kos, N4NIA
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Lu Romero<[hidden email]>
>>> *To:* Gary Gregory<[hidden email]>; S Kosmetatos
>>> <[hidden email]
>>> *Cc:* [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> *Sent:* Wed, May 11, 2011 11:30:16 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode
>>>
>>> I dont know either, Gary... Usually, when I operate PSK31, I
>>> use the computer, and since I dont use that mode too often
>>> either, I have never run into the need to run split.
>>>
>>> But it is a valid question... Why cant you set split in
>>> Digital mode PSK on the radio, yet you can set it for RTTY
>>> and AFSK...
>>>
>>> Seems to me it should make no difference to the radio.
>>> Maybe it has something to do with the firmware decoder for
>>> PSK31.
>>>
>>> -lu-w4lt-
>>> K3 # 3192
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>>> From: Gary Gregory<[hidden email]>
>>> To: S Kosmetatos<[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
>>> mode
>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:16 +1000
>>>
>>>> I am puzzled as to why split would be used in PSK-31???
>>>> Given the mode it is, the band width used etc, etc......
>>>>
>>>> I have not come across stations operating split on PSK-31
>>>> but then that is most likely my fault as I don't use that
>>>> mode very often nowadays...:-)
>>>>
>>>> 73's
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On 11 May 2011 12:36, S Kosmetatos<[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran into
>>>>> this issue as well using PSK over the weekend, and though
>>>>> HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as intuitive or as handy
>>>>> as just being able to invoke a split mode using the VFOs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this working as designed for this particular data mode
>>>>> , or am I too missing something in the configuration?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kos, N4NIA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Luis V. Romero Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
>>>>> mode
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>
>>>>> A local friend brought this to my attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the radio
>>>>> built in PSK31 keyer/decoder and terminal via RS232.
>>>>> When he tries to set Split, the radio
>>>>> tells him "SPL N/A".
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried this, and I can set Split to function normally in
>>>>> RTTY, both AFSK and FSK, but I get the same indication
>>>>> when I try to set a Split using PSK 31. Im not a digital
>>>>> mode person, but I do understand that you can do this
>>>> sort of thing using a computer decoder. My friend prefers
>>>>> not to use a computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK
>>>>> transmit/receive feature using the CW paddkes.
>>>>>
>>>>> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue. He's
>>>>> right!
>>>>> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can work
>>>>> around the issue this way. I can also work around the
>>>>> issue by using XIT, but it is cumbersome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the
>>>>> secret to setting split in PSK31?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the input!
>>>>>
>>>>> -lu-w4lt-
>>>>> K3 # 3192
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

In reply to this post by Lu Romero - W4LT

Umm, Bob:

BOTH VFO's *are* in DIGITAL D/PSK31. The radio still wont
do split in PSK31 mode.

Methinks its in the intrnal PSK31 Decoder DSP functionality,
as Joe W4TV mentions.

I bet you used to be an Icom user. :)

-lu-w4lt-
K3 #3192

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: [hidden email]
To: "Gary Gregory" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Kos" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email],
[hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data
mode
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:49:42 -0400

>At the risk of beating the same old expired equine, this is
>because the radio's SPLIT function is disabled unless you
>already have the other VFO and mode set in a way that
>allows you to go SPLIT. This is a bad thing and a flaw in
>the K3's operational logic.
>
>I have pointed out that this is a flaw previously, and
>yours is just another example that proves the point.
>
>The way it should work is that when you PRESS and HOLD
>SPLIT,
>
>***AND *ONLY IF* both VFO's are NOT on the same band and
>mode***
>
>the radio should do a VFOA->VFOB and then enable SPLIT.
>Otherwise, if both VFOs are already on the same band and
>mode, it should only enable SPLIT without first making the
>VFOs equal.
>
>The error message that it won't allow SPLIT when the VFO
>and mode is different serves no useful purpose and is a
>waste of time. Talk about ergonomic overhead!
>
>73,
>
>Bob W5OV
>
>
>
>> LU,
>>
>> Aaaah....now the light bulb has been energised...Grin
>>
>> Guess I better go listen around some more and yes I see
>>the reason now.
>> 73's
>> Gary - slow learner
>>
>> On 12 May 2011 02:03, Kos <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, W4TV may have hit on the answer - both VFOs muct be
>>> in DATA A mode; I'll have to wait to get home to check
>>> this out. This of course wouldn't allow cross-mode
>>> operation, though I don't see that happening with these
>>>particular modes.
>>> I've seen two DX stations on PSK in the last two weeks
>>> using split mode -
>>> the latest was an A4 on PSK-63 this past weekend
>>> advertising he was listening 1-2 UP. He had a rather
>>> robust pileup going.... I can see the usefullness of
>>>this for DXpeditions that would choose to operate on PSK.
>>> Kos, N4NIA
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Lu Romero <[hidden email]>
>>> *To:* Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>; S Kosmetatos
>>> <[hidden email]
>>> >
>>>
>>> *Cc:* [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> *Sent:* Wed, May 11, 2011 11:30:16 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31
>>>Data mode
>>> I dont know either, Gary... Usually, when I operate
>>> PSK31, I use the computer, and since I dont use that
>>> mode too often either, I have never run into the need to
>>>run split.
>>> But it is a valid question... Why cant you set split in
>>> Digital mode PSK on the radio, yet you can set it for
>>> RTTY and AFSK...
>>>
>>> Seems to me it should make no difference to the radio.
>>> Maybe it has something to do with the firmware decoder
>>> for PSK31.
>>>
>>> -lu-w4lt-
>>> K3 # 3192
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>>> From: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
>>> To: S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31
>>> Data mode
>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:08:16 +1000
>>>
>>> >I am puzzled as to why split would be used in PSK-31???
>>> >Given the mode it is, the band width used etc,
>>> >etc......
>>> >I have not come across stations operating split on
>>> >PSK-31 but then that is most likely my fault as I don't
>>> >use that mode very often nowadays...:-)
>>> >
>>> >73's
>>> >Gary
>>> >
>>> >On 11 May 2011 12:36, S Kosmetatos <[hidden email]>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hey guys,
>>> >>
>>> >> I was glad to see Luis' question on this as I ran
>>> >> into this issue as well using PSK over the weekend,
>>> >> and though HRD has a split mode, it wasn't as
>>> >> intuitive or as handy as just being able to invoke a
>>> >>split mode using the VFOs.
>>> >> Is this working as designed for this particular data
>>> >> mode , or am I too missing something in the
>>> >>configuration?
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >> Kos, N4NIA
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: [hidden email]
>>> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
>>> >> Of Luis V. Romero Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:20 PM
>>> >> To: [hidden email]
>>> >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: How to set Split in PSK31
>>> >>Data mode
>>> >> Hi all:
>>> >>
>>> >> A local friend brought this to my attention.
>>> >>
>>> >> Seems he is trying to set Split on PSK31 using the
>>> >> radio built in PSK31 keyer/decoder and terminal via
>>> >> RS232. When he tries to set Split, the radio
>>> >> tells him "SPL N/A".
>>> >>
>>> >> I tried this, and I can set Split to function
>>> >> normally in RTTY, both AFSK and FSK, but I get the
>>> >> same indication when I try to set a Split using PSK
>>> >> 31. Im not a digital mode person, but I do
>>> >understand that you can do this sort of thing using a
>>> >> computer decoder. My friend prefers not to use a
>>> >> computer, and really enjoys the internal PSK
>>> >>transmit/receive feature using the CW paddkes.
>>> >> He tells me the manual does not explain the issue.
>>> >>He's right!
>>> >> He does not have a second receiver. I do, and can
>>> >> work around the issue this way. I can also work
>>> >> around the issue by using XIT, but it is cumbersome.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this a firmware bug or is this normal? What's the
>>> >> secret to setting split in PSK31?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the input!
>>> >>
>>> >> -lu-w4lt-
>>> >> K3 # 3192
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>__________________________________________________________
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>>> >
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wayne burdick

Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

Administrator

> BOTH VFO's *are* in DIGITAL D/PSK31. The radio still won't do split
> in PSK31 mode.

Hi Luis,

At present the K3 firmware won't allow split in PSK-D mode. It's
possible for me to add this, but there are several internal
complications to deal with. Since there have been very few requests
for PSK-D/Split, it's pretty far down on the task list. Sorry about
that.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode

Thanks, that is what I now surmised. No problem, dont break anything to fix
this. I will pass it along to my friend Frank who uses PSK31 Digital D a
lot (I dont). I served him some KoolAde a year or so ago and coverted him
from TenTec. :)

See you in Dayton!

-lu-w4lt-
K3 # 3192

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:12 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: K3: How to set Split in PSK31 Data mode
>
> > BOTH VFO's *are* in DIGITAL D/PSK31. The radio still won't
> do split
> > in PSK31 mode.
>
> Hi Luis,
>
> At present the K3 firmware won't allow split in PSK-D mode.
> It's possible for me to add this, but there are several
> internal complications to deal with. Since there have been
> very few requests for PSK-D/Split, it's pretty far down on
> the task list. Sorry about that.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>