K3 Line-In for PSK31 not working
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K3 Line-In for PSK31 not working
 
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Hello,
Setting up the K3 with PC and have audio coming out of sound card. Testing with DigiPan and tx audio connected to K3's Line-In isn't working. Yes, I set the main-menu to "Line-In" ... but nil, regardless of how high I set the audio sliders for the sound card. Even tried a mono plug. The microphone input works with the same cableset after changing to the mic jack and changing the main-menu. Might be tempted to use that, but it's too sensitive and tends to hum. Something special I need to do to get the Line-In jack to work? Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX 570-321-1516 http://WilcoxEngineering.com Williamsport, PA 17701 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Alan
There were some problems with setting "Line in" that have been cleared up with the last two firmware releases. The audio data modes now seem to work well, so I would ask the obvious questions: Do you have the latest firmware? Is mode set to "data"? Is data mode set to "data A"? With my computer audio output at a 50% setting a low K3 "Line IN" level of 3 to 5 is sufficient. Bob KD8CGH |
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Bob,
Think it was a simple matter of not adjusting the front panel MIC gain up when I went to Line-In setting. That's working, but the hassle continues. Yes, I've got the latest 1.58, 1.48. At the moment I'm doing USB rather than data mode. I tried your suggestion for data mode with dataA, and it works the same also. I was going to use VOX instead of a physical PTT, but that doesn't work well. I've adjusted gains but it insists on cycling on & off. Thought anti-VOX would fix, but it doesn't. So I tried manual PTT with front panel button to transmit ... getting feedback somehow when I put the mic gain up to about 4 for even just 1 bar ALC. Have power set to 5 watts. Alan -- Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX 570-321-1516 http://WilcoxEngineering.com Williamsport, PA 17701 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rkayakr wrote: > Alan > > There were some problems with setting "Line in" that have been cleared up > with the last two firmware releases. The audio data modes now seem to work > well, so I would ask the obvious questions: > > Do you have the latest firmware? > Is mode set to "data"? > Is data mode set to "data A"? > > With my computer audio output at a 50% setting a low K3 "Line IN" level of 3 > to 5 is sufficient. > > Bob > KD8CGH > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Alan
>I was going to use VOX instead of a physical PTT, but that doesn't work >well. I've adjusted gains but it insists on cycling on & off. Thought >anti-VOX would fix, but it doesn't. I don't use VOX so I can't comment on it. I use Ham Radio Deluxe which is integrated with PSK31 Deluxe and the new DM780 multimode digital software. MMTTY also has a "bridge" program tying it to HRD. With any of these, when you hit "send" in the software it automatically keys transmit by a serial command sent by HRD. No muss, no fuss, no extra wires, no VOX settings. Bob KD8CGH |
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>> I was going to use VOX instead of a physical PTT, but that doesn't work
>> well. I've adjusted gains but it insists on cycling on & off. Thought >> anti-VOX would fix, but it doesn't. Please check your cable and verify it is firmly seated into the K3 LINE IN connector. I routinely use LINE IN with VOX in DATA A mode to operate PSK31 on my K3 with no problems. 73, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
Set your soundcard volume to about 50%
Connect soundcard output to the K3 LINE IN. Connect the souncard input to the K3 LINE OUT. Set Menu item MIC SEL to LINE IN. Set mode to DATA. HOLD DATA MD to choose Data-A. Set power to ~20W (just something to start with). Use the MIC control to set the drive level so that your output is equal or just below what you dialed in (20W in this case). CMP is locked at zero. When setup this way I get excellent PSK31 results with TX IMD at ~ -34 dB. FOR PTT You can use a seperate line for PTT to the ACCY connector or the RCA PTT connection on the back of the K3. You can also use the RS-232 serial connection if your software allows you to set it up that way. Set PTT-Key to either RTS - OFF or DTR - OFF in the CONFIG menu. Then in your software set PTT to either DTR or RTS as appropriate to the same COM port the radio is connected to. Note not all software allows you to do this. Depending on the software you can also try PTT via CAT command (this works in MixW). Hope this helps. ------------------------- 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 On Mon Jan 14 14:23 , "Alan D. Wilcox" sent: >Bob, >Think it was a simple matter of not adjusting the front panel MIC gain >up when I went to Line-In setting. That's working, but the hassle continues. > >Yes, I've got the latest 1.58, 1.48. At the moment I'm doing USB rather >than data mode. I tried your suggestion for data mode with dataA, and it >works the same also. > >I was going to use VOX instead of a physical PTT, but that doesn't work >well. I've adjusted gains but it insists on cycling on & off. Thought >anti-VOX would fix, but it doesn't. > >So I tried manual PTT with front panel button to transmit ... getting >feedback somehow when I put the mic gain up to about 4 for even just 1 >bar ALC. Have power set to 5 watts. > >Alan > >-- >Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX >570-321-1516 >http://WilcoxEngineering.com >Williamsport, PA 17701 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >rkayakr wrote: >> Alan >> >> There were some problems with setting "Line in" that have been cleared up >> with the last two firmware releases. The audio data modes now seem to work >> well, so I would ask the obvious questions: >> >> Do you have the latest firmware? >> Is mode set to "data"? >> Is data mode set to "data A"? >> >> With my computer audio output at a 50% setting a low K3 "Line IN" level of 3 >> to 5 is sufficient. >> >> Bob >> KD8CGH >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Bob,
Ah! Now THAT'S a great idea. I didn't realize HRD + DM780 did the PTT like that. I tried it out and it worked perfectly. (I really like DigiPan, but I can do that with my K2+RigBlaster.) I'm still trying to get the K3 to work remotely. See http://forums.ham-radio.ch/showthread.php?p=54512#post54512 for a thread relating to IP-Sound and HRD and DM780. FWIW, if anyone reading is trying to setup their K3 (or whatever) remotely, I've found UltraVNC ideal to allow me to tinker with both ends without having to go physically back and forth quite so much. I'm secure behind my firewall, but if I had to go outside, I'd want to tunnel my VNC session inside a (secure) ssh connection. Alan -- Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX 570-321-1516 http://WilcoxEngineering.com Williamsport, PA 17701 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rkayakr wrote: > Alan > > >> I was going to use VOX instead of a physical PTT, but that doesn't work >> well. I've adjusted gains but it insists on cycling on & off. Thought >> anti-VOX would fix, but it doesn't. >> > > I don't use VOX so I can't comment on it. I use Ham Radio Deluxe which is > integrated with PSK31 Deluxe and the new DM780 multimode digital software. > MMTTY also has a "bridge" program tying it to HRD. With any of these, when > you hit "send" in the software it automatically keys transmit by a serial > command sent by HRD. No muss, no fuss, no extra wires, no VOX settings. > > Bob > KD8CGH > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If you are not using VOX, then you must be using a serial or parallel
cable? Dave Wilburn K4DGW K2/100 - S/N 5982 rkayakr wrote: > Alan > >> I was going to use VOX instead of a physical PTT, but that doesn't work >> well. I've adjusted gains but it insists on cycling on & off. Thought >> anti-VOX would fix, but it doesn't. > > I don't use VOX so I can't comment on it. I use Ham Radio Deluxe which is > integrated with PSK31 Deluxe and the new DM780 multimode digital software. > MMTTY also has a "bridge" program tying it to HRD. With any of these, when > you hit "send" in the software it automatically keys transmit by a serial > command sent by HRD. No muss, no fuss, no extra wires, no VOX settings. > > Bob > KD8CGH > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Dave
>If you are not using VOX, then you must be using a serial or parallel >cable? I use Ham Radio Deluxe for general rig control using the standard serial cable to the K3's RS232 port. The digital programs interface to HRD, which automatically sends a transmit command to the rig. This is totally transparent to the operator. Hit send in MMTTY or PSK31 Deluxe or DM780 and RF happens. BTW - DM780 handles many modes, including keyboard CW and CW decode. Keyboard CW is handled in exactly the same fashion as PSK, QPSK, MCW, DominoEx, MFSK, MT63, Olivia, RTTY and Throb. BTW2 - Simon Brown, HRD's developer, is a K3 owner. The recent beta software already has good support and I think well see great support in the future. Bob KD8CGH |
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Hash: SHA1 Yes, you need some way of kicking the K3 into PTT if you're not using VOX. Most people buy or build an interface like a rigblaster which does the switching chore and isolates the computer from the rig. I believe the K3 doesn't need the "interface" just some extracurricular wiring between the K3's data, isolated sound ports, and the personal confuser. David Wilburn wrote: | If you are not using VOX, then you must be using a serial or parallel | cable? | | | Dave Wilburn | K4DGW | K2/100 - S/N 5982 | | | rkayakr wrote: |> Alan |> |>> I was going to use VOX instead of a physical PTT, but that doesn't |>> work well. I've adjusted gains but it insists on cycling on & off. |>> Thought anti-VOX would fix, but it doesn't. |> |> I don't use VOX so I can't comment on it. I use Ham Radio Deluxe which is |> integrated with PSK31 Deluxe and the new DM780 multimode digital |> software. |> MMTTY also has a "bridge" program tying it to HRD. With any of these, |> when |> you hit "send" in the software it automatically keys transmit by a serial |> command sent by HRD. No muss, no fuss, no extra wires, no VOX settings. |> |> Bob |> KD8CGH |> | _______________________________________________ | Elecraft mailing list | Post to: [hidden email] | You must be a subscriber to post to the list. | Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): | http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft | Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm | Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com | | - -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHjgPB11jxjloa2wsRAnqkAKC2m4q3vN5HVDppv0LnEVB0NlyovQCg3Lf3 2acMTunPt99xi3T3j8Froag= =RzAh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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My program, KCommunicate, does the same thing. I would have thought most programs could do that if you enable the "CAT" option. I think MixW does. But with the K3, you don't need any level shifting transistor switch to do PTT, just a straight through cable, so if you've got the serial connection (unless it's just a 3 wire cable) either method should work.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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In reply to this post by Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
I could have saved myself two hours of troubleshooting if I'd rememebered this. Who would have thought the Line Input would have its own gain setting? I wish the mic selection could be linked to modes though: Line In for data, Front Panel for voice, or whatever. By the way, how do you adjust the input level? I can turn it up until I get 5W and then add some more, but I don't see any ALC reading. With the K2, I set the level so 1 bar of ALC was showing.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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> I wish the mic selection could be linked to modes though: Line In for data,
> Front Panel for voice, or whatever. A good idea - also the ability to use more than one audio input at the same time is needed, e.g. the line in for an external voice keyer and one of the microphone inputs for the headset. vy 73 de toby -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2/10 #885 K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #67 DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG, JN58td _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I keep asking dor this too and it keeps not happening.
As a workaround I used PF XIT to take you to MIC SEL. PF RIT I send to SPKR+PH so there's some symmetry that helps me remember. Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 8:54 am, Toby Deinhardt wrote: >> I wish the mic selection could be linked to modes though: Line In for >> data, >> Front Panel for voice, or whatever. > > A good idea - also the ability to use more than one audio input at the > same time is needed, e.g. the line in for an external voice keyer and > one of the microphone inputs for the headset. > > vy 73 de toby > -- > DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) > K2/10 #885 > K2/100 #3248 > K3/100 #67 > DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG, JN58td > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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These things do not happen overnight and have to be prioritized. Mic + Line is already done in DSP
but still needs to be put in the MCU code. Having Line In default for Data mode is also on the list already. Please be patient...these features will happen. ------------------------- 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 On Wed Jan 16 11:55 , "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." sent: >I keep asking dor this too and it keeps not happening. > >As a workaround I used PF XIT to take you to MIC SEL. PF RIT I send to >SPKR+PH so there's some symmetry that helps me remember. > >Leigh/WA5ZNU >On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 8:54 am, Toby Deinhardt wrote: >>> I wish the mic selection could be linked to modes though: Line In for >>> data, >>> Front Panel for voice, or whatever. >> >> A good idea - also the ability to use more than one audio input at the >> same time is needed, e.g. the line in for an external voice keyer and >> one of the microphone inputs for the headset. >> >> vy 73 de toby >> -- >> DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) >> K2/10 #885 >> K2/100 #3248 >> K3/100 #67 >> DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG, JN58td >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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