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Ken Kopp-3

K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able
to
select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too
high! (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
[hidden email]

Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have
missed while changing modes and retuning.

- Ron

K9ZTV <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on
HF when using an FT-897.

K9ZTV

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy
> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I

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Bob Cunnings NW8L

Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

Wouldn't the offset be whatever the CW pitch is set to?

Bob NW8L

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Ken Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to
> select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too
> high! (:-))
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> [hidden email]
>
>
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Ron Foster

Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

In reply to this post by Ken Kopp-3

I agree on making it selectable, or possibly have it track the CW offset sidetone that is currently configured.

Yes - listening to 700 Hz would quickly send me to the bottle of Excedrine. But individual tastes do vary. :^)

Ron - W2RIP

Ken Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able
to
select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too
high! (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
[hidden email]

Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have
missed while changing modes and retuning.

- Ron

K9ZTV wrote:
I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on
HF when using an FT-897.

K9ZTV

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy
> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I

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w7aqk

Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

In reply to this post by Ken Kopp-3

Ken and All,

I haven't followed this thread very closely, so now I'm a bit confused about
the subject line. If I understand it right, the question is can the K3 be
set up so that you can just hit the paddle and be on CW, even though you
have currently selected SSB. Is that right? If so, I'm not sure why the
thread subject line says "Linking the VFO's.......". I would think it would
just be a matter of automatically changing the mode temporarily for
transmit.

I would assume that Elecraft can do this, and if they do, the offset will
be whatever you set it for. Your CW sidetone is fully adjustable, and that
would be the process. My FT-897 (I assume the FT-857 has it too) has this
feature, and it is pretty handy at times. Via the menu you can set this
feature to be active (menu #22), and you can even choose whether the offset
is up, down, or automatically selected for you (menu #23). But the amount
of the offset is based on whatever you have set previously for CW operation,
which is what you would want. You can be talking on SSB, then just hit the
paddle to send in CW. I don't think it involves more than just the VFO you
have currently selected.

I'm probably missing something here as far as what the original question
really was.

Dave W7AQK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

> Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be able to
> select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is -way- too
> high! (:-))
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> [hidden email]
>
>
> Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed
> while changing modes and retuning.
>
> - Ron
>
> K9ZTV <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on
> HF when using an FT-897.
>
> K9ZTV
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy
>> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I
>
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Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO

Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

I can't explain the original subject line, either, but y'all may have missed
the fact that Eric and Wayne have already implemented this feature in the
firmware and it is in the final testing phase (post from Eric on 5/2 -- is
that only yesterday?). Anyway, it's a reality! -- for Elecraft, anyway, and
for us very shortly. Looks like my K3 and this firmware feature will arrive at
about the same time -- albeit not necessarily in the same box. :-)

I do sense that there are still some guys out there who are scratching their
collective heads, wondering why somebody would see this feature as such a big
deal. It has to do with the way CW is used in conjunction with SSB on the VHF
bands. While there are nominal CW-only sub-bands on 6 and 2 meters, CW is
frequently used on the SSB frequencies when signals become too weak for voice
modulation to support communication. You just start sending CW on the fly, and
the other guy will hear it more or less centered in his SSB receive passband.
No retuning. When you stop sending (or in between code elements, if you are
running QSK) you are still receiving in SSB mode -- so whether he comes back
to you on SSB or CW, you will hear him either way. You want to transmit again
in SSB, just grab the mike and talk.

This feature was my favorite thing about the FT-897, which otherwise was a
rather forgettable entry-level rig in terms of its close-in strong signal
performance. Once again, the K3 is evolving into a stellar radio for both the
HF and VHF/UHF worlds, where high-end performance requirements are really very
different.

Thanks, guys!

Bill W5WVO

David Yarnes wrote:

> Ken and All,
>
> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so now I'm a bit
> confused about the subject line. If I understand it right, the
> question is can the K3 be set up so that you can just hit the paddle
> and be on CW, even though you have currently selected SSB. Is that
> right? If so, I'm not sure why the thread subject line says "Linking
> the VFO's.......". I would think it would just be a matter of
> automatically changing the mode temporarily for transmit.
>
> I would assume that Elecraft can do this, and if they do, the offset
> will be whatever you set it for. Your CW sidetone is fully
> adjustable, and that would be the process. My FT-897 (I assume the
> FT-857 has it too) has this feature, and it is pretty handy at times.
> Via the menu you can set this feature to be active (menu #22), and
> you can even choose whether the offset is up, down, or automatically
> selected for you (menu #23). But the amount of the offset is based
> on whatever you have set previously for CW operation, which is what
> you would want. You can be talking on SSB, then just hit the paddle
> to send in CW. I don't think it involves more than just the VFO you
> have currently selected.
> I'm probably missing something here as far as what the original
> question really was.
>
> Dave W7AQK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:27 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
>
>
>> Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be
>> able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is
>> -way- too high! (:-))
>>
>> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have
>> missed while changing modes and retuning.
>>
>> - Ron
>>
>> K9ZTV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature
>> on HF when using an FT-897.
>>
>> K9ZTV
>>
>> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy
>>> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I
>>
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Ron Foster

Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

Yep, I did indeed miss it and I'm delighted with the news.

- Ron

Bill W5WVO <[hidden email]> wrote:
I can't explain the original subject line, either, but y'all may have missed
the fact that Eric and Wayne have already implemented this feature in the
firmware and it is in the final testing phase (post from Eric on 5/2 -- is
that only yesterday?). Anyway, it's a reality! -- for Elecraft, anyway, and
for us very shortly. Looks like my K3 and this firmware feature will arrive at
about the same time -- albeit not necessarily in the same box. :-)

I do sense that there are still some guys out there who are scratching their
collective heads, wondering why somebody would see this feature as such a big
deal. It has to do with the way CW is used in conjunction with SSB on the VHF
bands. While there are nominal CW-only sub-bands on 6 and 2 meters, CW is
frequently used on the SSB frequencies when signals become too weak for voice
modulation to support communication. You just start sending CW on the fly, and
the other guy will hear it more or less centered in his SSB receive passband.
No retuning. When you stop sending (or in between code elements, if you are
running QSK) you are still receiving in SSB mode -- so whether he comes back
to you on SSB or CW, you will hear him either way. You want to transmit again
in SSB, just grab the mike and talk.

This feature was my favorite thing about the FT-897, which otherwise was a
rather forgettable entry-level rig in terms of its close-in strong signal
performance. Once again, the K3 is evolving into a stellar radio for both the
HF and VHF/UHF worlds, where high-end performance requirements are really very
different.

Thanks, guys!

Bill W5WVO

David Yarnes wrote:

> Ken and All,
>
> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so now I'm a bit
> confused about the subject line. If I understand it right, the
> question is can the K3 be set up so that you can just hit the paddle
> and be on CW, even though you have currently selected SSB. Is that
> right? If so, I'm not sure why the thread subject line says "Linking
> the VFO's.......". I would think it would just be a matter of
> automatically changing the mode temporarily for transmit.
>
> I would assume that Elecraft can do this, and if they do, the offset
> will be whatever you set it for. Your CW sidetone is fully
> adjustable, and that would be the process. My FT-897 (I assume the
> FT-857 has it too) has this feature, and it is pretty handy at times.
> Via the menu you can set this feature to be active (menu #22), and
> you can even choose whether the offset is up, down, or automatically
> selected for you (menu #23). But the amount of the offset is based
> on whatever you have set previously for CW operation, which is what
> you would want. You can be talking on SSB, then just hit the paddle
> to send in CW. I don't think it involves more than just the VFO you
> have currently selected.
> I'm probably missing something here as far as what the original
> question really was.
>
> Dave W7AQK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Kopp"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:27 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
>
>
>> Me, too! I'd -really- welcome this feature. BUT, I'd like to be
>> able to select the off-set tone. The 700 Hz suggested earlier is
>> -way- too high! (:-))
>>
>> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have
>> missed while changing modes and retuning.
>>
>> - Ron
>>
>> K9ZTV wrote:
>> I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature
>> on HF when using an FT-897.
>>
>> K9ZTV
>>
>> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy
>>> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I
>>
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VR2BrettGraham

Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching

In reply to this post by Ken Kopp-3

Someone replied to a query to Elecraft posted to the list:

>First of all, nothing has been implemented yet.
>
>Second, let's not complicate things here.
>
>The only thing being suggested is that the K3 be capable of CW while one
>is operating SSB. This feature is currently found on several Yaesu and
>Icom rigs (don't know about Kenwood). The paddle/key would be in
>parallel with the microphone (so to speak). Hitting the paddle would
>automatically put the rig into CW mode and when key-up occurs, the rig
>automatically reverts back to SSB mode. No switch fiddling, button
>pushing, or other operator input would be required. No change in
>frequency would occur EXCEPT that during key-down the standard CW offset
>would happen. By necessity, the feature would be enabled and disabled
>through a menu option.
>
>If CW is not your thing, don't worry about it -- you won't need it anyway.

Thankfully, although above we are told nothing has
been implemented, what was just released is user
selectable. To hear from somebody so 'in the know'
is greatly appreciated.

The root problem being addressed is some not
knowing where CW ends up in relation to where the
radio was tuned for SSB. If CW/CW-R placed CW in
the correct place in relation to LSB/USB & then the
radio, when mode switched, selected the appropriate
CW mode for the sideband previously selected, the
root problem would be addressed without the apparently
not complicated process of the radio on its own
changing modes & moving CW when the key line is
asserted in SSB.

To have requested this change, CW is not in the right
place to simply switch from either LSB/USB to begin
with, otherwise there would have been no need for the
suggestion of how to achieve same (see subject-field
of this thread) nor the request to implement functionality
that goes beyond addressing the root problem.

However, since that root problem merited a change,
then perhaps the far greater problem of folks not being
able to get to grips with where LSB/USB end up in relation
to band edges will be addressed shortly.

-VR2/KBrett7Graham/p.

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