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Steve Ellington
Are the mic. up/down buttons supposed to work or not? The manual doesn't
make sense. It tells how they are supposed to work and how to enable them in
the menu but also says "Mic function buttons not supported". Now is the "Mic
function button" the same thing as a "mic up/down button"? Does "not
supported" mean the same thing as "won't work" or does it mean "might work
but we don't support it" or does it mean something entirely different. When
I try to use them I get a N/A on the display so I assume they work but just
don't work correctly and that's the way it's supposed to be. I know this is
wordy but so is the manual.
Steve Ellington
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pd0psb
Steve,

Mic up/down buttons work on my Icom marine HM107B mic.
Function (third) button not yet implemented.

How about activating your tuner with it?
Or make it freely assignable (even better).

73'
Paul
PD0PSB



Steve Ellington wrote
Are the mic. up/down buttons supposed to work or not? The manual doesn't
make sense. It tells how they are supposed to work and how to enable them in
the menu but also says "Mic function buttons not supported". Now is the "Mic
function button" the same thing as a "mic up/down button"? Does "not
supported" mean the same thing as "won't work" or does it mean "might work
but we don't support it" or does it mean something entirely different. When
I try to use them I get a N/A on the display so I assume they work but just
don't work correctly and that's the way it's supposed to be. I know this is
wordy but so is the manual.
Steve Ellington
N4LQ@carolina.rr.com

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Steve Ellington
Really? How do you activate them? I tried grounding them and got the N/A.
Must be another way. I was thinking of rigging up an optical encoder, knob
etc. and creating a remote knob like TenTec has. I do have config:mic btn
enabled.
Steve Ellington
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>
> Steve,
>
> Mic up/down buttons work on my Icom marine HM107B mic.
> Function (third) button not yet implemented.
>
> How about activating your tuner with it?
> Or make it freely assignable (even better).
>
> 73'
> Paul
> PD0PSB
>
>
>
>
> Steve Ellington wrote:
>>
>> Are the mic. up/down buttons supposed to work or not? The manual doesn't
>> make sense. It tells how they are supposed to work and how to enable them
>> in
>> the menu but also says "Mic function buttons not supported". Now is the
>> "Mic
>> function button" the same thing as a "mic up/down button"? Does "not
>> supported" mean the same thing as "won't work" or does it mean "might
>> work
>> but we don't support it" or does it mean something entirely different.
>> When
>> I try to use them I get a N/A on the display so I assume they work but
>> just
>> don't work correctly and that's the way it's supposed to be. I know this
>> is
>> wordy but so is the manual.
>> Steve Ellington
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pd0psb
Hi Steve,

I just enabled in the CONFIG menu,and wired the mic according to schematics.
Buttons between up/down line and grounding. Icom uses a resistor scheme for switching so the HM107B had a small rewiring inside.

The reaction of up/down btw is not fast!
So using an encoder on these lines will probably be kind of sluggish....
Better to do that by serial data.

73'
Paul
PD0PSB


<quote author="Steve Ellington">
Really? How do you activate them? I tried grounding them and got the N/A.
Must be another way. I was thinking of rigging up an optical encoder, knob
etc. and creating a remote knob like TenTec has. I do have config:mic btn
enabled.
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MontyS
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The mic buttons on my old Kenwood MC-60 work FB.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet you have not turned the MIC BTN menu
setting to ON.

Monty K2DLJ

> Are the mic. up/down buttons supposed to work or not?

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Bill W4ZV
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One of our Field Testers has done this, but I would not be surprised to see Elecraft eventually offer something similar as a standard product.  Below are the FT's comments (sans callsign) since I doubt he wants a lot of queries about it.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


On 2008-12-13, at 13:30 , **** wrote:

>    This is one for the lowest-priority end of the missing-feature list.
>    I built a box with two pushbuttons wired to the DOWN and UP pins on the front panel MIC connector, to simulate a remote VFO A "knob." It works nicely: tap to step, hold to scan. But, taps while sending CW via KEY mess up the beautiful dots and dashes (dare I say: just like touching almost any control on an Orion II while sending :=). Strangely, holds do not affect the CW at all.


I've just interfaced the Griffin PowerMate "multimedia USB control knob" with my Mac contest logging program (SkookumLogger). I use it in two modes, controlling either the RIT/XIT offset or VFOA frequency. In either mode, twirling the knob smoothly varies the K3 frequency at a reasonable rate for tuning around a CW run frequency. There's a PowerMate-related issue that I can live with: it operates by "pressing" command keys for you; if you twirl the knob a lot it queues up all those "presses" and there is no way to stop it from stubbornly playing back the complete queue.

I've also got the PowerMate rigged to clear the offset (copies VFOB to VFOA when controlling VFOA frequency). And one other gesture does a "Swap", which is tough to explain in less than a paragraph.

Changing the K3 frequency this way does *not* affect CW. I'm now a Happy Ham, no longer waiting for the hoped-for K3 remote control unit :-)
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KK6T
I must be missing something here.  For the life of my I can't figure why
you would want to be changing frequency while transmitting CW (or any
other mode)

73 de Terry KK6T
K3# 2965

Bill W4ZV wrote:

> One of our Field Testers has done this, but I would not be surprised to see
> Elecraft eventually offer something similar as a standard product.  Below
> are the FT's comments (sans callsign) since I doubt he wants a lot of
> queries about it.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
> On 2008-12-13, at 13:30 , **** wrote:
>
>  
>>    This is one for the lowest-priority end of the missing-feature list.
>>    I built a box with two pushbuttons wired to the DOWN and UP pins on the
>> front panel MIC connector, to simulate a remote VFO A "knob." It works
>> nicely: tap to step, hold to scan. But, taps while sending CW via KEY mess
>> up the beautiful dots and dashes (dare I say: just like touching almost
>> any control on an Orion II while sending :=). Strangely, holds do not
>> affect the CW at all.
>>    
>
>
> I've just interfaced the Griffin PowerMate "multimedia USB control knob"
> with my Mac contest logging program (SkookumLogger). I use it in two modes,
> controlling either the RIT/XIT offset or VFOA frequency. In either mode,
> twirling the knob smoothly varies the K3 frequency at a reasonable rate for
> tuning around a CW run frequency. There's a PowerMate-related issue that I
> can live with: it operates by "pressing" command keys for you; if you twirl
> the knob a lot it queues up all those "presses" and there is no way to stop
> it from stubbornly playing back the complete queue.
>
> I've also got the PowerMate rigged to clear the offset (copies VFOB to VFOA
> when controlling VFOA frequency). And one other gesture does a "Swap", which
> is tough to explain in less than a paragraph.
>
> Changing the K3 frequency this way does *not* affect CW. I'm now a Happy
> Ham, no longer waiting for the hoped-for K3 remote control unit :-)
>
>  
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Tom Hammond-2
terry:

Because some folks, like me, must have their PC keyboard to the side of the
desk (at 90-degrees from the desk) when contesting... this places the rig
at my left side, rather that right in front of me, and requires me to either
turn 90-degrees (at least 45 deg. anyway) on order to adjust the VFO, or to
bring the radio up close to me and at about a 45-degree angle to the desktop
so I can readily reach the VFO dial with a cramped arm position.

Using Up/Dn buttons, or something like the Griffin PowerMate would allow us
to remotely 'tune' the VFO... having the control right at or next to the
keyboard, without having to go into any contortions.

73,

Tom   N0SS


At 01:26 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote:

>I must be missing something here.  For the life of my I can't figure why
>you would want to be changing frequency while transmitting CW (or any
>other mode)
>
>73 de Terry KK6T
>K3# 2965
>
>Bill W4ZV wrote:
> > One of our Field Testers has done this, but I would not be surprised to see
> > Elecraft eventually offer something similar as a standard product.  Below
> > are the FT's comments (sans callsign) since I doubt he wants a lot of
> > queries about it.
> >
> > 73,  Bill  W4ZV
> >
> >
> > On 2008-12-13, at 13:30 , **** wrote:
> >
> >
> >>    This is one for the lowest-priority end of the missing-feature list.
> >>    I built a box with two pushbuttons wired to the DOWN and UP pins on the
> >> front panel MIC connector, to simulate a remote VFO A "knob." It works
> >> nicely: tap to step, hold to scan. But, taps while sending CW via KEY mess
> >> up the beautiful dots and dashes (dare I say: just like touching almost
> >> any control on an Orion II while sending :=). Strangely, holds do not
> >> affect the CW at all.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I've just interfaced the Griffin PowerMate "multimedia USB control knob"
> > with my Mac contest logging program (SkookumLogger). I use it in two modes,
> > controlling either the RIT/XIT offset or VFOA frequency. In either mode,
> > twirling the knob smoothly varies the K3 frequency at a reasonable rate for
> > tuning around a CW run frequency. There's a PowerMate-related issue that I
> > can live with: it operates by "pressing" command keys for you; if you twirl
> > the knob a lot it queues up all those "presses" and there is no way to stop
> > it from stubbornly playing back the complete queue.
> >
> > I've also got the PowerMate rigged to clear the offset (copies VFOB to VFOA
> > when controlling VFOA frequency). And one other gesture does a
> "Swap", which
> > is tough to explain in less than a paragraph.
> >
> > Changing the K3 frequency this way does *not* affect CW. I'm now a Happy
> > Ham, no longer waiting for the hoped-for K3 remote control unit :-)
> >
> >
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Steve Ellington
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Well maybe not exactly while transmitting unless one needs to make the CFO
chicken cluck sound.

Steve Ellington
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>I must be missing something here.  For the life of my I can't figure why
> you would want to be changing frequency while transmitting CW (or any
> other mode)
>
> 73 de Terry KK6T
> K3# 2965
>
> Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> One of our Field Testers has done this, but I would not be surprised to
>> see
>> Elecraft eventually offer something similar as a standard product.  Below
>> are the FT's comments (sans callsign) since I doubt he wants a lot of
>> queries about it.
>>
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>>
>>
>> On 2008-12-13, at 13:30 , **** wrote:
>>
>>
>>>    This is one for the lowest-priority end of the missing-feature list.
>>>    I built a box with two pushbuttons wired to the DOWN and UP pins on
>>> the
>>> front panel MIC connector, to simulate a remote VFO A "knob." It works
>>> nicely: tap to step, hold to scan. But, taps while sending CW via KEY
>>> mess
>>> up the beautiful dots and dashes (dare I say: just like touching almost
>>> any control on an Orion II while sending :=). Strangely, holds do not
>>> affect the CW at all.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've just interfaced the Griffin PowerMate "multimedia USB control knob"
>> with my Mac contest logging program (SkookumLogger). I use it in two
>> modes,
>> controlling either the RIT/XIT offset or VFOA frequency. In either mode,
>> twirling the knob smoothly varies the K3 frequency at a reasonable rate
>> for
>> tuning around a CW run frequency. There's a PowerMate-related issue that
>> I
>> can live with: it operates by "pressing" command keys for you; if you
>> twirl
>> the knob a lot it queues up all those "presses" and there is no way to
>> stop
>> it from stubbornly playing back the complete queue.
>>
>> I've also got the PowerMate rigged to clear the offset (copies VFOB to
>> VFOA
>> when controlling VFOA frequency). And one other gesture does a "Swap",
>> which
>> is tough to explain in less than a paragraph.
>>
>> Changing the K3 frequency this way does *not* affect CW. I'm now a Happy
>> Ham, no longer waiting for the hoped-for K3 remote control unit :-)
>>
>>
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Tom Hammond-2
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Terry:

Generally NOT while transmitting, but sometimes, esp. while QRP (e.g
in ARRL CW SS)
I'll find that I'm smack on top of (well... UNDER) a bigger signal,
making it hard
for the other guy to hear me... if I jump freq. even a small bit
while NOT trans-
mitting, the other guy might miss me, but if I 'slide' up/dn a bit
while sending my
(or his) call at the start of my reply, he'll usually follow me and
we can complete
the QSO... I seldom move more than 100 Hz (ever) when I do this, but
having a signal
actually being transmitter (for him to hear/follow) seems to help to
ensure that he
is able to track where I've gone.. otherwise, to have moved (possibly
out of his
(very narrow) B/W setting with no signal for him to track, results in
a lost QSO.

73,

Tom   N0SS


At 01:40 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Tom,
>
>I can understand the remote tune feature but why would you be doing
>that WHILE you're transmitting?
>
>73 de Terry KK6T
>
>Tom Hammond wrote:
>>terry:
>>
>>Because some folks, like me, must have their PC keyboard to the side of the
>>desk (at 90-degrees from the desk) when contesting... this places the rig
>>at my left side, rather that right in front of me, and requires me to either
>>turn 90-degrees (at least 45 deg. anyway) on order to adjust the VFO, or to
>>bring the radio up close to me and at about a 45-degree angle to the desktop
>>so I can readily reach the VFO dial with a cramped arm position.
>>
>>Using Up/Dn buttons, or something like the Griffin PowerMate would allow us
>>to remotely 'tune' the VFO... having the control right at or next to the
>>keyboard, without having to go into any contortions.
>>
>>73,
>>
>>Tom   N0SS
>>
>>
>>At 01:26 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote:
>>>I must be missing something here.  For the life of my I can't figure why
>>>you would want to be changing frequency while transmitting CW (or any
>>>other mode)
>>>
>>>73 de Terry KK6T
>>>K3# 2965
>>>
>>>Bill W4ZV wrote:
>>> > One of our Field Testers has done this, but I would not be
>>> surprised to see
>>> > Elecraft eventually offer something similar as a standard product.
>>>Below
>>> > are the FT's comments (sans callsign) since I doubt he wants a lot of
>>> > queries about it.
>>> >
>>> > 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2008-12-13, at 13:30 , **** wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>    This is one for the lowest-priority end of the missing-feature list.
>>> >>    I built a box with two pushbuttons wired to the DOWN and UP
>>> pins on the
>>> >> front panel MIC connector, to simulate a remote VFO A "knob." It works
>>> >> nicely: tap to step, hold to scan. But, taps while sending CW
>>> via KEY mess
>>> >> up the beautiful dots and dashes (dare I say: just like touching almost
>>> >> any control on an Orion II while sending :=). Strangely, holds do not
>>> >> affect the CW at all.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I've just interfaced the Griffin PowerMate "multimedia USB control knob"
>>> > with my Mac contest logging program (SkookumLogger). I use it
>>> in two modes,
>>> > controlling either the RIT/XIT offset or VFOA frequency. In either mode,
>>> > twirling the knob smoothly varies the K3 frequency at a
>>> reasonable rate for
>>> > tuning around a CW run frequency. There's a PowerMate-related
>>> issue that I
>>> > can live with: it operates by "pressing" command keys for you;
>>> if you twirl
>>> > the knob a lot it queues up all those "presses" and there is no
>>> way to stop
>>> > it from stubbornly playing back the complete queue.
>>> >
>>> > I've also got the PowerMate rigged to clear the offset (copies
>>> VFOB to VFOA
>>> > when controlling VFOA frequency). And one other gesture does a
>>> "Swap", which
>>> > is tough to explain in less than a paragraph.
>>> >
>>> > Changing the K3 frequency this way does *not* affect CW. I'm now a Happy
>>> > Ham, no longer waiting for the hoped-for K3 remote control unit :-)
>>> >
>>> >
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KK7P
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>>I must be missing something here.  For the life of my I can't figure why
>> you would want to be changing frequency while transmitting CW (or any
>> other mode)

It is a requirement for using most Amateur satellites as you correct for
Doppler shift on the uplink.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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K1GQ
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On 2009-05-14, at 14:26 , Terry Dunlap wrote:

> I must be missing something here.  For the life of my I can't figure  
> why
> you would want to be changing frequency while transmitting CW (or any
> other mode)


I'm the author of the post that Bill (W4ZV) quoted. My experiments  
with the PowerMate are recent and on-going. I'm considering modifying  
my software to support more than one PowerMate :-)

It's rather handy to be able to change the *receive* frequency while  
transmitting, without disrupting the transmit frequency or the  
formation of Morse characters. Some radios severely hose CW if you  
fiddle with front panel controls while transmitting. The K3 is pretty  
good about this, but not yet perfect.

W4NL noted that the TenTec 315 soft-rubber trim rings fit the K3 VFOA  
knob nicely. They also fit the PowerMate knob, although not quite as  
snugly; no comment on color choices.

  Bill, K1GQ

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