[K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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Hallo,
I do not have internet in our club station, which is on the other side of Munich and where my K3 is. I need to download the Firmware at home and then in the club station upload it to the K3. During the download at least four dialogs pop up asking which com port my K3 is connected to and telling me that new software is available, even if there is nothing new on the FTP server. If possible, it would be nice if the messages which are now in the dialogs, would appear in a status bar at the bottom of the form: Green background for information, yellow for warnings and red for errors. It would also be nice if the the application did not switch pages automagically. When downloading without the K3, I always have switch back to see if there is actually anything new. vy 73 de toby PS: Even cooler would be a description of how the communication works, then I could roll my own... And do it so that it would run on the various systems (Linux, MacOs, Windows, FreeBSD) I have here. -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2/10 #885 K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #67 DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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At 05:58 AM 11/24/2007, Toby Deinhardt wrote:
>s. > >It would also be nice if the the application did not switch pages >automagically. When downloading without the K3, I always have switch >back to see if there is actually anything new. Must you use the application to download, or are the updated files available via ftp ? How do you load in the downloaded fies when you arrive at the club station? 73, Thom - k3hrn _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware
73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thom LaCosta wrote: > > Must you use the application to download, or are the updated files > available via > ftp ? > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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At 06:18 AM 11/24/2007, Ken K3IU wrote:
>ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware Thanks....I suppose it make more sense once one does an update or so... 73, Thom - k3hrn _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Thom LaCosta
Hallo
> How do you load in the downloaded fies when you arrive at the club station? The downloader stores the files locally, so you do not need a connection to the Internet while uploading to the K3. While one does not need to use the Elecraft application to download from Elecraft, any FTP client will do, it is a little bit "easier" to do this with the K3 downloader, because it automatically knows what is new since the the last download. vy 73 de toby -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2/10 #885 K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #67 DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Thom,
> You get that message using the K3 software when the rig is not > connected? ....perhaps it needs to be connected to the > K3 to sense which firmware is installed in the rig...with no rig > connected, it "knows" you need an update. Actually I get a message which asking COM port the K3 is connected to, which, by the way, makes no sense at all because my laptop does not have any COM ports whatsoever, as long as the USB to serial adapter is not connected. And then I get a message claiming there is new software available, even if there isn't. Repeat at least twice. Because the files are also stored locally, the Elecraft firmware loader "knows" if there is anything "new" on the FTP site, even without a connected K3, but you are right that a lack of K3 might be confusing for the application. > If that's the case, maybe it needs a "switch" to tell it there is no rig > there. The "Download from Elecraft without K3" button. > Man, things have come such a long way from the days of using FTP to get > an update, and not knowing if you already had it, or shouldn;t get it, etc. AMEN! <humor>It would have been really cool if Elecraft had used SVN in the loader and in the K3...</humor> vy 73 de toby -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2/10 #885 K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #67 DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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In reply to this post by dj7mgq
Toby: I'd recommend using a browser or an FTP client to copy the files from
the Elecraft FTP server to a portable memory device (like a USB flash keychain drive, or a floppy disk). The procedure is described in the K3 Utility Help under "Manual Transfer". The FTP site probably won't many (if any) unnecessary files, so this is economical. I'll work on the K3 Utility's error recovery when there is no K3 installed. I agree that it's too insistent on being connected to a K3. There is an effort underway to port the K3 Utility to Mac and Linux. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Toby Deinhardt Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:58 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21 Hallo, I do not have internet in our club station, which is on the other side of Munich and where my K3 is. I need to download the Firmware at home and then in the club station upload it to the K3. During the download at least four dialogs pop up asking which com port my K3 is connected to and telling me that new software is available, even if there is nothing new on the FTP server. If possible, it would be nice if the messages which are now in the dialogs, would appear in a status bar at the bottom of the form: Green background for information, yellow for warnings and red for errors. It would also be nice if the the application did not switch pages automagically. When downloading without the K3, I always have switch back to see if there is actually anything new. vy 73 de toby PS: Even cooler would be a description of how the communication works, then I could roll my own... And do it so that it would run on the various systems (Linux, MacOs, Windows, FreeBSD) I have here. -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2/10 #885 K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #67 DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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In reply to this post by dj7mgq
Toby Deinhardt wrote:
> > While one does not need to use the Elecraft application to download from > Elecraft, any FTP client will do, it is a little bit "easier" to do this > with the K3 downloader, because it automatically knows what is new since > the the last download. If detecting updated files is the only issue, and assuming that Elecraft don't upset the modification dates of unmodified files, you should use the open source "wget" tool to do the downloads. This can be run in a mode where it only transfers files which have changed modifications dates or changed sizes. wget has an ftp mode, in which it will traverse the directory hierarchy, subject to configurable restrictions, and an http mode, in which it will traverse the link structure, again subject to configurable restrictions. Better still, although the firmware files may not be big enough for full benefit, would be to use "rsync", but that requires Elecraft to run an rsync server. Incidentally, if the Elecraft downloader is giving false indications of files being modified, I wonder if it is trying to compare local time of last download against the ftp time stamp, which is most often the local time at the server, although a server might be set to use UTC. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Has anyone found a good external speaker to compliment the K3?
any comments appreciated.. Thanks Ed Wp4o _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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In reply to this post by David Woolley (E.L)
File time stamps are not used. Version numbers are implied from filenames.
Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Woolley Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:46 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21 Toby Deinhardt wrote: > > While one does not need to use the Elecraft application to download from > Elecraft, any FTP client will do, it is a little bit "easier" to do this > with the K3 downloader, because it automatically knows what is new since > the the last download. If detecting updated files is the only issue, and assuming that Elecraft don't upset the modification dates of unmodified files, you should use the open source "wget" tool to do the downloads. This can be run in a mode where it only transfers files which have changed modifications dates or changed sizes. wget has an ftp mode, in which it will traverse the directory hierarchy, subject to configurable restrictions, and an http mode, in which it will traverse the link structure, again subject to configurable restrictions. Better still, although the firmware files may not be big enough for full benefit, would be to use "rsync", but that requires Elecraft to run an rsync server. Incidentally, if the Elecraft downloader is giving false indications of files being modified, I wonder if it is trying to compare local time of last download against the ftp time stamp, which is most often the local time at the server, although a server might be set to use UTC. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> File time stamps are not used. Version numbers are implied from filenames. wget will still work in that environment, although rsync probably wouldn't be useful. Typically, though, what people do with ftp distribution sites under those conditions is to have a link to the current version, as well as the numbered versions. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ed Rodriguez wrote:
> Has anyone found a good external speaker to compliment the K3? > any comments appreciated.. I'm using a pair of Sony amplified computer speakers. I preemptively wrapped the wires around ferrite toroids and haven't had any RF problems. Keep in mind that with the K3's AFX (audio effects) feature, you will want a pair of stereo speakers. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco K3 no. 00007 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If you don't have extra computer speakers and have
to actually buy a pair I suggest looking in the CB isle of your local truck stop. There are some good external speakers sold there. Mine are Barjan 320-701's. Truck stop CB departments often have items of interest to us like coax adapters, mobile mounts, pre-made coax jumpers, etc. And of course, there's always Radio Scrap, but their product lines are rapidly diminishing. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [hidden email] or [hidden email] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 11/25/2007 07:51 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>Dick Dievendorff wrote: >>File time stamps are not used. Version numbers are implied from filenames. > >wget will still work in that environment, although rsync probably >wouldn't be useful. > >Typically, though, what people do with ftp distribution sites under >those conditions is to have a link to the current version, as well >as the numbered versions. The problem I have with the download utility is that it doesn't allow you to revert to an older version of the firmware. Maybe you can rename the file, but then you probably will risk not being able to load a later version of that name. Does anyone know how to revert to a previous firmware load? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 11/25/2007 07:50 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
>Copy what you want into a temporary folder, point K3 Util at it and >load into the K3 using check boxes. I don't understand how you do this. The latest firmware is 1.42. If I want to revert to 1.41, it tells me that my radio has 1.42 and doesn't allow me to do anything. There are no check boxes. If I rename the 1.41 file to 1.43 to fake it out, then what happens when the actual 1.43 gets released? Do I have to increment the number each time I want to load another version? >There has been discussion of doing version management with K3 Util >but it's not simple. Be patient on this one. > >/Rick N6XI > >On 11/25/07, Ed K1EP <<mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]> wrote: > > >The problem I have with the download utility is that it doesn't allow >you to revert to an older version of the firmware. Maybe you can >rename the file, but then you probably will risk not being able to >load a later version of that name. Does anyone know how to revert to >a previous firmware load? > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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In reply to this post by Ed K1EP
Hi Ed,
I did it with a file rename... The Software offers only the newest file to upload to the receiver. Download all available files from the FTP site if you don't have them already on your pc. Restart the software and configure the 'advanced mode' (view menu...). After uploading the firmware you can just rename the file to its original name. The software will offer the newest version as before... Didn't find any information about concernes to switch between the different versions. Especially the dependencies between the MCU and DSP versions is not clear. Maybe Elecraft can give us some information ... ? Thomas, DM7TN -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:23 AM To: David Woolley; 'Elecraft List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader,Version 1.0.11.21 At 11/25/2007 07:51 AM, David Woolley wrote: >Dick Dievendorff wrote: >>File time stamps are not used. Version numbers are implied from filenames. > >wget will still work in that environment, although rsync probably >wouldn't be useful. > >Typically, though, what people do with ftp distribution sites under >those conditions is to have a link to the current version, as well as >the numbered versions. The problem I have with the download utility is that it doesn't allow you to revert to an older version of the firmware. Maybe you can rename the file, but then you probably will risk not being able to load a later version of that name. Does anyone know how to revert to a previous firmware load? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> Especially the dependencies between the MCU and DSP versions is
> not clear. Maybe Elecraft can give us some information ... ? When we release new versions of K3 MCU or DSP firmware, if there is a corresponding update needed in the DSP or MCU, we will issue an update to that file at the same time. The latest versions of all files in the ftp site will be compatible; at least, that is our goal! We urge all K3 owners to use _only_ the latest versions of firmware. If a feature is removed, please understand that the removal is temporary, it was done reluctantly and for what we believe to be very good reasons. Speaking personally, I don't recommend going backwards or trying to mix or match. 73, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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In reply to this post by Ed K1EP
Go to the View menu and select Advanced. That will enable the checkboxes.
Copy the older version firmware file you want to load into another folder and point the loader there. Then use the checkbox to select and load it. 73, Ed - W0YK > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP > Sent: Sunday, 25 November, 2007 17:03 > To: Rick Tavan N6XI > Cc: Elecraft Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Minor irritation with K3 > Firmware Loader,Version 1.0.11.21 > > At 11/25/2007 07:50 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > >Copy what you want into a temporary folder, point K3 Util at it and > >load into the K3 using check boxes. > > I don't understand how you do this. The latest firmware is > 1.42. If I want to revert to 1.41, it tells me that my radio > has 1.42 and doesn't allow me to do anything. There are no > check boxes. If I rename the 1.41 file to 1.43 to fake it > out, then what happens when the actual 1.43 gets released? > Do I have to increment the number each time I want to load > another version? > > >There has been discussion of doing version management with > K3 Util but > >it's not simple. Be patient on this one. > > > >/Rick N6XI > > > >On 11/25/07, Ed K1EP > <<mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > >The problem I have with the download utility is that it > doesn't allow > >you to revert to an older version of the firmware. Maybe you can > >rename the file, but then you probably will risk not being > able to load > >a later version of that name. Does anyone know how to revert to a > >previous firmware load? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21
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Please don't rename firmware files. There's a consistency check that
compares the internal version number and the version number implied by the filename that will be disrupted if you rename the files. Firmware load verification will fail if you do this. Instead, clear the "Copy Latest Files from Elecraft" check box, create a folder with the files you want to load, navigate to that folder, and that is the "available" version column. You can load back-level files by using the View Menu's Advanced Option to expose a column of per-processor check boxes. Select the MCU and DSP1 check boxes and click "Send Checked Items" button. Be careful which files you load together. MCU and DSP1 versions are sometimes released together with interdependencies. Their version numbers do not show that dependency. Thus, MCU 01.39 does not necessarily correspond to DSP 01.39. In general, you should be moving forward, and the options to go backward were deemphasized in an attempt to make it as straightforward as possible to go forward to newer (and presumably better) firmware revisions. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Thomas Norff Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:10 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader, Version 1.0.11.21 Hi Ed, I did it with a file rename... The Software offers only the newest file to upload to the receiver. Download all available files from the FTP site if you don't have them already on your pc. Restart the software and configure the 'advanced mode' (view menu...). After uploading the firmware you can just rename the file to its original name. The software will offer the newest version as before... Didn't find any information about concernes to switch between the different versions. Especially the dependencies between the MCU and DSP versions is not clear. Maybe Elecraft can give us some information ... ? Thomas, DM7TN -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:23 AM To: David Woolley; 'Elecraft List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Minor irritation with K3 Firmware Loader,Version 1.0.11.21 At 11/25/2007 07:51 AM, David Woolley wrote: >Dick Dievendorff wrote: >>File time stamps are not used. Version numbers are implied from filenames. > >wget will still work in that environment, although rsync probably >wouldn't be useful. > >Typically, though, what people do with ftp distribution sites under >those conditions is to have a link to the current version, as well as >the numbered versions. The problem I have with the download utility is that it doesn't allow you to revert to an older version of the firmware. Maybe you can rename the file, but then you probably will risk not being able to load a later version of that name. Does anyone know how to revert to a previous firmware load? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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