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Mike Reublin

K3 Monitor feedback

I was playing with ALC and compression settings tonight, and turned on
the monitor function. If I turn it up high enough to hear myself (around
9), I get a loud BRRRRRRRRRR squeal, that has an echoic component.
Difficult to describe.

I don't recall hearing that when I first set up the mic. I have V3.63.

How can I regain use of the monitor?

Mike NF4L

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Mike,

Are you using headphones when you turn up the monitor? If you are using
the speaker, the microphone will pick up the speaker sound and result in
a lot of acoustical feedback.

73,
Don W3FPR

Mike wrote:

> I was playing with ALC and compression settings tonight, and turned on
> the monitor function. If I turn it up high enough to hear myself (around
> 9), I get a loud BRRRRRRRRRR squeal, that has an echoic component.
> Difficult to describe.
>
> I don't recall hearing that when I first set up the mic. I have V3.63.
>
> How can I regain use of the monitor?
>
> Mike NF4L
>
> To those who celebrate tomorrow, Happy Thanksgiving.
>
>

Mike Reublin

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Don -
I'm using phones. It doesn't sound quite like the usual feedback squeal.
It's modulated, sorta like rolling the 'r's in burrito.

Mike

Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Are you using headphones when you turn up the monitor? If you are
> using the speaker, the microphone will pick up the speaker sound and
> result in a lot of acoustical feedback.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Mike wrote:
>> I was playing with ALC and compression settings tonight, and turned
>> on the monitor function. If I turn it up high enough to hear myself
>> (around 9), I get a loud BRRRRRRRRRR squeal, that has an echoic
>> component. Difficult to describe.
>>
>> I don't recall hearing that when I first set up the mic. I have V3.63.
>>
>> How can I regain use of the monitor?
>>
>> Mike NF4L
>>
>> To those who celebrate tomorrow, Happy Thanksgiving.
>>
>

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Mike,

Since you are using phones, do not overlook the possibility of RF
Feedback. If the problem goes away when driving a dummy load (or using
TX TEST) but is present feeding an antenna, RF feedback is the first
thing to be suspicious of. The normal best cure for RF Feedback is in
the antenna system rather than trying to put ferrites on everything in
the shack.

73,
Don W3FPR

Mike wrote:

> Don -
> I'm using phones. It doesn't sound quite like the usual feedback squeal.
> It's modulated, sorta like rolling the 'r's in burrito.
>
> Mike
>
> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Are you using headphones when you turn up the monitor? If you are
>> using the speaker, the microphone will pick up the speaker sound and
>> result in a lot of acoustical feedback.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>> I was playing with ALC and compression settings tonight, and turned
>>> on the monitor function. If I turn it up high enough to hear myself
>>> (around 9), I get a loud BRRRRRRRRRR squeal, that has an echoic
>>> component. Difficult to describe.
>>>
>>> I don't recall hearing that when I first set up the mic. I have V3.63.
>>>
>>> How can I regain use of the monitor?
>>>
>>> Mike NF4L
>>>
>>> To those who celebrate tomorrow, Happy Thanksgiving.
>>>
>>>
>
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Ken Wagner K3IU

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

Mike:
I had same thing here. If you have MAIN:MIC+LIN set to ON, try turning
it OFF or unplugging the Line In. That "fixed" my problem, but I haven't
determined why Line In is causing that problem.
73,
Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike wrote:

Ken Wagner K3IU

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

I forgot to mention that it is NOT RF here, 'cuz it happens in "TEST"
mode with no RF out.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ken K3IU wrote:

> Mike:
> I had same thing here. If you have MAIN:MIC+LIN set to ON, try turning
> it OFF or unplugging the Line In. That "fixed" my problem, but I haven't
> determined why Line In is causing that problem.
> 73,
> Ken K3IU
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mike wrote:
>
>> Don -
>> I'm using phones. It doesn't sound quite like the usual feedback squeal.
>> It's modulated, sorta like rolling the 'r's in burrito.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Are you using headphones when you turn up the monitor? If you are
>>> using the speaker, the microphone will pick up the speaker sound and
>>> result in a lot of acoustical feedback.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was playing with ALC and compression settings tonight, and turned
>>>> on the monitor function. If I turn it up high enough to hear myself
>>>> (around 9), I get a loud BRRRRRRRRRR squeal, that has an echoic
>>>> component. Difficult to describe.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall hearing that when I first set up the mic. I have V3.63.
>>>>
>>>> How can I regain use of the monitor?
>>>>
>>>> Mike NF4L
>>>>
>>>> To those who celebrate tomorrow, Happy Thanksgiving.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Ken Wagner K3IU

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Thanks... I apparently did have a sneak path. I opened the Playback
Control on the sound card (SB Live! 24 bit) and muted the Mic and Line
In (to the sound card) and that fixed the problem with the MIC+LIN set ON.

Thanks, Mark, for the hint. I really wasn't that concerned 'cuz I rarely
use phone, but glad I fixed it anyway ;-) .

73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark n2qt wrote:

> Be sure you don't have a 'sneak path' through a computer sound card (or
> other accessory) via line out to line in on the K3.
>
> Mark n2qt
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken K3IU" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Monitor feedback
>
>
>> I forgot to mention that it is NOT RF here, 'cuz it happens in "TEST"
>> mode with no RF out.
>> 73, Ken K3IU
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Ken K3IU wrote:
>>> Mike:
>>> I had same thing here. If you have MAIN:MIC+LIN set to ON, try turning
>>> it OFF or unplugging the Line In. That "fixed" my problem, but I
>>> haven't
>>> determined why Line In is causing that problem.
>>> 73,
>>> Ken K3IU
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don -
>>>> I'm using phones. It doesn't sound quite like the usual feedback
>>>> squeal.
>>>> It's modulated, sorta like rolling the 'r's in burrito.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you using headphones when you turn up the monitor? If you are
>>>>> using the speaker, the microphone will pick up the speaker sound and
>>>>> result in a lot of acoustical feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was playing with ALC and compression settings tonight, and turned
>>>>>> on the monitor function. If I turn it up high enough to hear myself
>>>>>> (around 9), I get a loud BRRRRRRRRRR squeal, that has an echoic
>>>>>> component. Difficult to describe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall hearing that when I first set up the mic. I have
>>>>>> V3.63.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I regain use of the monitor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike NF4L
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To those who celebrate tomorrow, Happy Thanksgiving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Mike Reublin

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Ken, Mark -

That did it for me too. Ken. I'm glad you included Mark's suggestion, as
I didn't get it.

Happy Turkey Day! I'm thankful for the people on this reflector.

73, Mike

Ken K3IU wrote:

> Thanks... I apparently did have a sneak path. I opened the Playback
> Control on the sound card (SB Live! 24 bit) and muted the Mic and Line
> In (to the sound card) and that fixed the problem with the MIC+LIN set ON.
>
> Thanks, Mark, for the hint. I really wasn't that concerned 'cuz I rarely
> use phone, but glad I fixed it anyway ;-) .
>
> 73, Ken K3IU
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Mark n2qt wrote:
>
>> Be sure you don't have a 'sneak path' through a computer sound card (or
>> other accessory) via line out to line in on the K3.
>>
>> Mark n2qt
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken K3IU" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Monitor feedback
>>
>>
>>
>>> I forgot to mention that it is NOT RF here, 'cuz it happens in "TEST"
>>> mode with no RF out.
>>> 73, Ken K3IU
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Ken K3IU wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike:
>>>> I had same thing here. If you have MAIN:MIC+LIN set to ON, try turning
>>>> it OFF or unplugging the Line In. That "fixed" my problem, but I
>>>> haven't
>>>> determined why Line In is causing that problem.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Ken K3IU
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Don -
>>>>> I'm using phones. It doesn't sound quite like the usual feedback
>>>>> squeal.
>>>>> It's modulated, sorta like rolling the 'r's in burrito.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using headphones when you turn up the monitor? If you are
>>>>>> using the speaker, the microphone will pick up the speaker sound and
>>>>>> result in a lot of acoustical feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was playing with ALC and compression settings tonight, and turned
>>>>>>> on the monitor function. If I turn it up high enough to hear myself
>>>>>>> (around 9), I get a loud BRRRRRRRRRR squeal, that has an echoic
>>>>>>> component. Difficult to describe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't recall hearing that when I first set up the mic. I have
>>>>>>> V3.63.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can I regain use of the monitor?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike NF4L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To those who celebrate tomorrow, Happy Thanksgiving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Tom Williams-4

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

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Mike,

I had the same thing happen to me. Unfortunately, I didn't read your post in time to respond. The K3 audio menu settings are per mode. When I switched to AM, I had the rear panel mic enabled and the MIC+LIN turned ON. When I turned MIC+LIN OFF the feedback went away. The operation of this menu function wasn't exactly clear to me so I had set it up the way I thought it should be for all modes (SSB, AM, PSK and FSK). I was wrong.

73,
Tom N2CU <><
K3/100 #3582

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Mike Reublin

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Thanks, Tom -
When I got the manual, my thought was "Wow. That's BIG". Now I'm
thinking it could easily be three or four times the number of pages to
explain everything in detail. OTOH, this group is probably faster than
trying to find it in a printed book. Learning, learning, learning..(sung
to the tune of 'Rawhide').

There doesn't appear to be a way to leave the volume of the monitor set
and just turn it off, correct?

73, Mike NF4L

Tom Williams wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I had the same thing happen to me. Unfortunately, I didn't read your post in time to respond. The K3 audio menu settings are per mode. When I switched to AM, I had the rear panel mic enabled and the MIC+LIN turned ON. When I turned MIC+LIN OFF the feedback went away. The operation of this menu function wasn't exactly clear to me so I had set it up the way I thought it should be for all modes (SSB, AM, PSK and FSK). I was wrong.
>
> 73,
> Tom N2CU <><
> K3/100 #3582
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Mike,

Easier than trying to absorb the entire manual, I go to the menu pages
and try to remember what menu items are available - that gives me a good
idea about how the radio can be configured. Then if I want some
particular behavior, I study that portion of the manual. The buttons
are usually relatively easy and self explanatory because they have labels.

You may want to attack your monitor on/off request with a couple of
macros - there is no on/off switch or button without macros.

73,
Don W3FPR

Mike wrote:

> Thanks, Tom -
> When I got the manual, my thought was "Wow. That's BIG". Now I'm
> thinking it could easily be three or four times the number of pages to
> explain everything in detail. OTOH, this group is probably faster than
> trying to find it in a printed book. Learning, learning, learning..(sung
> to the tune of 'Rawhide').
>
> There doesn't appear to be a way to leave the volume of the monitor set
> and just turn it off, correct?
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> Tom Williams wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I had the same thing happen to me. Unfortunately, I didn't read your post in time to respond. The K3 audio menu settings are per mode. When I switched to AM, I had the rear panel mic enabled and the MIC+LIN turned ON. When I turned MIC+LIN OFF the feedback went away. The operation of this menu function wasn't exactly clear to me so I had set it up the way I thought it should be for all modes (SSB, AM, PSK and FSK). I was wrong.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tom N2CU <><
>> K3/100 #3582
>>
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rlindzen

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Maybe a list of popular macros and instructions on how to implement
them would be helpful. Perhaps it could be posted on the Elecraft site.

Dick, KA1SA

At 08:57 AM 11/27/2009, Don Wilhelm wrote:

>Mike,
>
>Easier than trying to absorb the entire manual, I go to the menu pages
>and try to remember what menu items are available - that gives me a good
>idea about how the radio can be configured. Then if I want some
>particular behavior, I study that portion of the manual. The buttons
>are usually relatively easy and self explanatory because they have labels.
>
>You may want to attack your monitor on/off request with a couple of
>macros - there is no on/off switch or button without macros.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>Mike wrote:
> > Thanks, Tom -
> > When I got the manual, my thought was "Wow. That's BIG". Now I'm
> > thinking it could easily be three or four times the number of pages to
> > explain everything in detail. OTOH, this group is probably faster than
> > trying to find it in a printed book. Learning, learning, learning..(sung
> > to the tune of 'Rawhide').
> >
> > There doesn't appear to be a way to leave the volume of the monitor set
> > and just turn it off, correct?
> >
> > 73, Mike NF4L
> >
> > Tom Williams wrote:
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> I had the same thing happen to me. Unfortunately, I didn't read
> your post in time to respond. The K3 audio menu settings are per
> mode. When I switched to AM, I had the rear panel mic enabled and
> the MIC+LIN turned ON. When I turned MIC+LIN OFF the feedback went
> away. The operation of this menu function wasn't exactly clear to
> me so I had set it up the way I thought it should be for all modes
> (SSB, AM, PSK and FSK). I was wrong.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Tom N2CU <><
> >> K3/100 #3582
> >>
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wayne burdick

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Administrator

Many of them are detailed in K3 Utility's help info. Also see the K3
Programmer's Reference.

73,
Wayne
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On Nov 27, 2009, at 9:41 AM, "Richard S. Lindzen" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Maybe a list of popular macros and instructions on how to implement
> them would be helpful. Perhaps it could be posted on the Elecraft
> site.
>
> Dick, KA1SA
>
> At 08:57 AM 11/27/2009, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Easier than trying to absorb the entire manual, I go to the menu
>> pages
>> and try to remember what menu items are available - that gives me a
>> good
>> idea about how the radio can be configured. Then if I want some
>> particular behavior, I study that portion of the manual. The buttons
>> are usually relatively easy and self explanatory because they have
>> labels.
>>
>> You may want to attack your monitor on/off request with a couple of
>> macros - there is no on/off switch or button without macros.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>> Thanks, Tom -
>>> When I got the manual, my thought was "Wow. That's BIG". Now I'm
>>> thinking it could easily be three or four times the number of
>>> pages to
>>> explain everything in detail. OTOH, this group is probably faster
>>> than
>>> trying to find it in a printed book. Learning, learning, learning..
>>> (sung
>>> to the tune of 'Rawhide').
>>>
>>> There doesn't appear to be a way to leave the volume of the
>>> monitor set
>>> and just turn it off, correct?
>>>
>>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>>
>>> Tom Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> I had the same thing happen to me. Unfortunately, I didn't read
>> your post in time to respond. The K3 audio menu settings are per
>> mode. When I switched to AM, I had the rear panel mic enabled and
>> the MIC+LIN turned ON. When I turned MIC+LIN OFF the feedback went
>> away. The operation of this menu function wasn't exactly clear to
>> me so I had set it up the way I thought it should be for all modes
>> (SSB, AM, PSK and FSK). I was wrong.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Tom N2CU <><
>>>> K3/100 #3582
>>>>
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Re: K3 Monitor feedback

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I'm attempting to gather these into the K3 Utility Help. There are a number
of them already there.

Dick, K6KR

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Maybe a list of popular macros and instructions on how to implement
them would be helpful. Perhaps it could be posted on the Elecraft site.

Dick, KA1SA

At 08:57 AM 11/27/2009, Don Wilhelm wrote:

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Re: K3 Monitor feedback

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Hmmm..

Any voice mode (I don't have FM) I get feedback with MIC+LIN on. Muting
the Line setting in WIndoze (Mine doesn't say whether it's in or out)
kills the feedback. Pulling the line-in or line-out doesn't kill the
feedback.

If the ProSet is laying on top of the rig, there is feedback at all
settings until I move it. Vox is off, so that indicates that the mic is
open all the time. Verified that by putting my hand around the mic,
cupped toward the K3 from a couple of feet away,
*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL*.

I don't understand the audio path, but ti me it seems like a flaw somewhere.

If I didn't like RTTY so much, I could just set MIC+LIN off, and be happy.

Mike

Tom Williams wrote:

KK7P

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

> Any voice mode (I don't have FM) I get feedback with MIC+LIN on. Muting
> the Line setting in WIndoze (Mine doesn't say whether it's in or out)
> kills the feedback. Pulling the line-in or line-out doesn't kill the
> feedback.

LINE OUT from the K3 includes Tx audio. LINE IN goes to Tx audio. If
the computer has any path between LINE IN and LINT OUT, you'll get
feedback when you go to transmit.
>
> If the ProSet is laying on top of the rig, there is feedback at all
> settings until I move it. Vox is off, so that indicates that the mic is
> open all the time...

You have the MIC ON and MIC gain non-zero, so the K3 is using the MIC.
Hence the feedback.

MIC+LIN means "Mic and line simultaneously".

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hmmm..
>
> Any voice mode (I don't have FM) I get feedback with MIC+LIN on. Muting
> the Line setting in WIndoze (Mine doesn't say whether it's in or out)
> kills the feedback. Pulling the line-in or line-out doesn't kill the
> feedback.
>
> If the ProSet is laying on top of the rig, there is feedback at all
> settings until I move it. Vox is off, so that indicates that the mic is
> open all the time. Verified that by putting my hand around the mic,
> cupped toward the K3 from a couple of feet away,
> *SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL*.
>
> I don't understand the audio path, but ti me it seems like a flaw somewhere.
>
> If I didn't like RTTY so much, I could just set MIC+LIN off, and be happy.

You don't need MIC+LIN for RTTY. Just set "MIC SEL" to "line in" when
in "AFSK A" mode, and to whatever you use for a mic when in SSB modes.
The setting is remembered per-mode.

MIC+LIN is useful for things like SSTV, where you flip back and forth
between audio sources during a single QSO.

~Iain / N6ML

> Tom Williams wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> I had the same thing happen to me. Unfortunately, I didn't read your post in time to respond. The K3 audio menu settings are per mode. When I switched to AM, I had the rear panel mic enabled and the MIC+LIN turned ON. When I turned MIC+LIN OFF the feedback went away. The operation of this menu function wasn't exactly clear to me so I had set it up the way I thought it should be for all modes (SSB, AM, PSK and FSK). I was wrong.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tom N2CU <><
>> K3/100 #3582
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Re: K3 Monitor feedback

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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:19:05 -0500, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

[snip]

Have you thought about downloading the PDF version of the manual?

The PDF version has search functionality built in. You can search by
word or phrase.

Try it you'll like it ;o)

Tom, N5GE

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Mike Reublin

Re: K3 Monitor feedback

Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:19:05 -0500, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks, Tom -
>> When I got the manual, my thought was "Wow. That's BIG". Now I'm
>> thinking it could easily be three or four times the number of pages to
>> explain everything in detail. OTOH, this group is probably faster than
>> trying to find it in a printed book. Learning, learning, learning..(sung
>> to the tune of 'Rawhide').
>>
>> There doesn't appear to be a way to leave the volume of the monitor set
>> and just turn it off, correct?
>>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>
>> Tom Williams wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>
> Have you thought about downloading the PDF version of the manual?
>

The PDF version has search functionality built in. You can search by
> word or phrase.
>
> Try it you'll like it ;o)
>
> Tom, N5GE
Good idea, Tom. I'm gonna do it.

Mike

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Re: K3 Monitor feedback

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Thanks Lyle -

Lyle Johnson wrote:
>> Any voice mode (I don't have FM) I get feedback with MIC+LIN on.
>> Muting the Line setting in WIndoze (Mine doesn't say whether it's in
>> or out) kills the feedback. Pulling the line-in or line-out doesn't
>> kill the feedback.
>
Should have been
Pulling the line-in or line-out does kill the feedback.
> LINE OUT from the K3 includes Tx audio. LINE IN goes to Tx audio. If
> the computer has any path between LINE IN and LINT OUT, you'll get
> feedback when you go to transmit.
I would have thought LINE OUT was Rx audio.
So the sound card is acting like an audio U-turn?
>>
>> If the ProSet is laying on top of the rig, there is feedback at all
>> settings until I move it. Vox is off, so that indicates that the mic
>> is open all the time...
>
> You have the MIC ON and MIC gain non-zero, so the K3 is using the MIC.
> Hence the feedback.
Sorta have to to use the phone modes, yes?
>
> MIC+LIN means "Mic and line simultaneously".
>
RR
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
>
Mike NF4L

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