K3 - New Radio Excitement
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Let's face it. For most of us, getting a new transceiver is a fairly rare
occurance. So when this does occur, there is a very pleasant period of excitement as we learn the ins and outs of our new toy. I am certainly going through this now with my K3. And because the K3 is a software defined radio, what makes this even better is that each time Elecraft comes up with a new firmware load, I kind of wind up with another new radio!! I expect this to extend the "new radio excitement" for a long time to come. Thank you Elecraft for such a nice product, for rapidly evolving the firmware, and for making the firmware update procedure essentially "stupid-proof". Here's an idea - Why not offer new manuals for sale as a separate line item for those of us with K3s who wish to occasionally purchase a new manual that has all the latest and greatest info? Yes, I can download an updated manual. But I'd prefer a nice two-sided color manual. Phil - AD5X _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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A "two-sided color manual" as you propose would be obsolete before the
ink was dry. And more expensive than you'd want to pay. That's why the manual is down-loadable. K9ZTV Phil Salas wrote: > Here's an idea - Why not offer new manuals for sale as a separate line > item for those of us with K3s who wish to occasionally purchase a new > manual that has all the latest and greatest info? Yes, I can download > an updated manual. But I'd prefer a nice two-sided color manual. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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For those who do prefer a "two-side, color and bound" manual one way to handle this would be to take
the downloaded file and have it printed and bound at Kinko's/FedEx While I have offered this idea I need to add the caveat that I haven't priced their double-sided color printing. I do know that to spiral bind a 240 page choral score was only $5.50. Cheers, -rick, K7LOG -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of K9ZTV Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:27 PM To: Phil & Debbie Salas Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement A "two-sided color manual" as you propose would be obsolete before the ink was dry. And more expensive than you'd want to pay. That's why the manual is down-loadable. K9ZTV Phil Salas wrote: > Here's an idea - Why not offer new manuals for sale as a separate line > item for those of us with K3s who wish to occasionally purchase a new > manual that has all the latest and greatest info? Yes, I can download > an updated manual. But I'd prefer a nice two-sided color manual. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Did that include the printing,
or was it binding only? 73. Bob N6WG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Commo" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement > For those who do prefer a "two-side, color and bound" manual one way to handle this would be to take > the downloaded file and have it printed and bound at Kinko's/FedEx > > While I have offered this idea I need to add the caveat that I haven't priced their double-sided > color printing. I do know that to spiral bind a 240 page choral score was only $5.50. > > Cheers, > -rick, K7LOG > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of K9ZTV > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:27 PM > To: Phil & Debbie Salas > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement > > A "two-sided color manual" as you propose would be obsolete before the > ink was dry. And more expensive than you'd want to pay. > > That's why the manual is down-loadable. > > K9ZTV > > > > Phil Salas wrote: > > Here's an idea - Why not offer new manuals for sale as a separate > > item for those of us with K3s who wish to occasionally purchase a new > > manual that has all the latest and greatest info? Yes, I can download > > an updated manual. But I'd prefer a nice two-sided color manual. > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Downloadable manuals are fine... a good way to stay up to date. However, it
shouldn't be necessary to download the entire manual every time a change is made. Any change should be in the form of a series of either "added pages".... or "changed pages"...with each page dated and numbered, perhaps with an alpha-numeric system. A page numbering system should be used that allows added or changed pages to be printed and inserted in the user's manual to keep it up-to-date. Changed pages should indicate the page number and date that is being replaced. This may seem cumbersome, but if well executed will result in the user being able to maintain an accurate, constantly updated paper manual. There's no reason why this same system cannot be used to maintain an on-line, downloadable manual.... so a user can choose which system to use. This also enables a paper-manual user to enter the system and download a full-up-to-the-minute manual at any time. Some of us are very uncomfortable without a paper manual and are willing to do the work necessary to keep one updated. Others can happily live with an on-line manual. Both deserve to be served, and can be..... if Elecraft uses a well-designed page numbering system. 73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Commo" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement > For those who do prefer a "two-side, color and bound" manual one way to > handle this would be to take > the downloaded file and have it printed and bound at Kinko's/FedEx > > While I have offered this idea I need to add the caveat that I haven't > priced their double-sided > color printing. I do know that to spiral bind a 240 page choral score was > only $5.50. > > Cheers, > -rick, K7LOG > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of K9ZTV > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:27 PM > To: Phil & Debbie Salas > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement > > A "two-sided color manual" as you propose would be obsolete before the > ink was dry. And more expensive than you'd want to pay. > > That's why the manual is down-loadable. > > K9ZTV > > > > Phil Salas wrote: >> Here's an idea - Why not offer new manuals for sale as a separate line >> item for those of us with K3s who wish to occasionally purchase a new >> manual that has all the latest and greatest info? Yes, I can download >> an updated manual. But I'd prefer a nice two-sided color manual. > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Jerry
I agree. I'm getting decidedly twitchy (that's a technical word) about staying up to date. I know it's not beyond me, but I might just miss something crucial and then throw my teddy out of the pram when I do it wrong. If I print off the changes they can then be cut out and stuck on top of the offending passage in the printed manual, (you know: cut and paste) or a whole page replaced if required. You have to keep the revision numbers up to date. David G3UNA > Downloadable manuals are fine... a good way to stay up to date. However, > it shouldn't be necessary to download the entire manual every time a > change is made. Any change should be in the form of a series of either > "added pages".... or "changed pages"...with each page dated and numbered, > perhaps with an alpha-numeric system. A page numbering system should be > used that allows added or changed pages to be printed and inserted in the > user's manual to keep it up-to-date. Changed pages should indicate the > page number and date that is being replaced. This may seem cumbersome, > but if well executed will result in the user being able to maintain an > accurate, constantly updated paper manual. > > There's no reason why this same system cannot be used to maintain an > on-line, downloadable manual.... so a user can choose which system to use. > This also enables a paper-manual user to enter the system and download a > full-up-to-the-minute manual at any time. Some of us are very > uncomfortable without a paper manual and are willing to do the work > necessary to keep one updated. Others can happily live with an on-line > manual. Both deserve to be served, and can be..... if Elecraft uses a > well-designed page numbering system. > > 73, Jerry K3BZ > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I guess its the assembly manual that I most would like to have all in one piece, including the errata. Merging in the instructions for the various options would be a real advantage to be able to do.
I'd like to do the assembly "HeathKit" fashion where one checks off the tasks done "on paper" "on paper" could mean on PC if one had the ability to merge the errata and base manual and edit it by checking off completed steps. It could also mean on a printed version of the manuals. The problem with "a printed version" is with the beautiful color photos. It would take forever to print out the 75 page manual on an inkjet printer. How many ink cartridges one would go through in the process is any ones guess. So on paper presents a real problem. Of course they could be printed in B&W. The advantage of the color pix is lost of course. I'm wondering what software package was used to create the manuals to begin with? Many people start with a word processor and later convert to pdf. In which case, the word processor version exists. It would be more use to us than a PDF version. Some manuals are supplied in a "word" or pdf version. The "word" version could easily be modified my users to include the errata and do the checking off on their PC. K3KO
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Jerry Keller (K3BZ) wrote: >Downloadable manuals are fine... a good way to stay up to >date. However, it shouldn't be necessary to download the entire >manual every time a change is made. Any change should be in the >form of a series of either "added pages".... or "changed >pages"...with each page dated and numbered, perhaps with an >alpha-numeric system. A page numbering system should be used that >allows added or changed pages to be printed and inserted in the >user's manual to keep it up-to-date. Changed pages should indicate >the page number and date that is being replaced. This may seem >cumbersome, but if well executed will result in the user being able >to maintain an accurate, constantly updated paper manual. > >There's no reason why this same system cannot be used to maintain an >on-line, downloadable manual.... so a user can choose which system >to use. This also enables a paper-manual user to enter the system >and download a full-up-to-the-minute manual at any time. Some of us >are very uncomfortable without a paper manual and are willing to do >the work necessary to keep one updated. Others can happily live >with an on-line manual. Both deserve to be served, and can be..... >if Elecraft uses a well-designed page numbering system. > >73, Jerry K3BZ I prefer Elecraft simply updating the same manual, over and over, then converting it to a PDF then posting it on the web page each time. Then just send an email to the mailing list stating that the manual has been updated. I don't particularly care for errata or addendum sheets unless they're in addition to the manual update, dated and added at the end of the updated manual. Paul N4LCD _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Elecraft could post (.pdf) just the pages that have changes. Sure would beat printing out the whole manual again. Just MTCW. Later Bill Harris > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:34:37 -0400 > To: [hidden email] > From: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement > > > > > Jerry Keller (K3BZ) wrote: > >Downloadable manuals are fine... a good way to stay up to > >date. However, it shouldn't be necessary to download the entire > >manual every time a change is made. Any change should be in the > >form of a series of either "added pages".... or "changed > >pages"...with each page dated and numbered, perhaps with an > >alpha-numeric system. A page numbering system should be used that > >allows added or changed pages to be printed and inserted in the > >user's manual to keep it up-to-date. Changed pages should indicate > >the page number and date that is being replaced. This may seem > >cumbersome, but if well executed will result in the user being able > >to maintain an accurate, constantly updated paper manual. > > > >There's no reason why this same system cannot be used to maintain an > >on-line, downloadable manual.... so a user can choose which system > >to use. This also enables a paper-manual user to enter the system > >and download a full-up-to-the-minute manual at any time. Some of us > >are very uncomfortable without a paper manual and are willing to do > >the work necessary to keep one updated. Others can happily live > >with an on-line manual. Both deserve to be served, and can be..... > >if Elecraft uses a well-designed page numbering system. > > > >73, Jerry K3BZ > > I prefer Elecraft simply updating the same manual, over and over, > then converting it to a PDF then posting it on the web page each time. > > Then just send an email to the mailing list stating that the manual > has been updated. > > I don't particularly care for errata or addendum sheets unless > they're in addition to the manual update, dated and added at the end > of the updated manual. > > Paul N4LCD > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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It is already possible to print out only the changed pages (as long as
the pagination has not changed). You can print just the 'current page' or a range of pages from most any document. Right now, the firmware release notes are the most up-to-date information about the K3's functions, not the manual itself. 73, Don W3FPR Bill Harris wrote: > Elecraft could post (.pdf) just the pages that have changes. > Sure would beat printing out the whole manual again. > Just MTCW. > Later > Bill Harris > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:34:37 -0400 >> To: [hidden email] >> From: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement >> >> >> >> >> Jerry Keller (K3BZ) wrote: >> >>> Downloadable manuals are fine... a good way to stay up to >>> date. However, it shouldn't be necessary to download the entire >>> manual every time a change is made. Any change should be in the >>> form of a series of either "added pages".... or "changed >>> pages"...with each page dated and numbered, perhaps with an >>> alpha-numeric system. A page numbering system should be used that >>> allows added or changed pages to be printed and inserted in the >>> user's manual to keep it up-to-date. Changed pages should indicate >>> the page number and date that is being replaced. This may seem >>> cumbersome, but if well executed will result in the user being able >>> to maintain an accurate, constantly updated paper manual. >>> >>> There's no reason why this same system cannot be used to maintain an >>> on-line, downloadable manual.... so a user can choose which system >>> to use. This also enables a paper-manual user to enter the system >>> and download a full-up-to-the-minute manual at any time. Some of us >>> are very uncomfortable without a paper manual and are willing to do >>> the work necessary to keep one updated. Others can happily live >>> with an on-line manual. Both deserve to be served, and can be..... >>> if Elecraft uses a well-designed page numbering system. >>> >>> 73, Jerry K3BZ >>> >> I prefer Elecraft simply updating the same manual, over and over, >> then converting it to a PDF then posting it on the web page each time. >> >> Then just send an email to the mailing list stating that the manual >> has been updated. >> >> I don't particularly care for errata or addendum sheets unless >> they're in addition to the manual update, dated and added at the end >> of the updated manual. >> >> Paul N4LCD >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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All,
I kind of agree with Paul on the overall document management process. I have just a comment on the process for system updates and the overall configuration management of operating manuals / user manuals. I work extensively with a variety of user manuals for USAF aircrew and maintenance personnel on a variety of complex systems that are currently used on a variety of the US Special Operations Forces (SOF) aircraft. Our technical order publishing division uses a variety of document tools for building and publishing these operator manuals: Microsoft Word, Adobe Pagemaker, Adobe Framemaker, and conversion tools to take Word documents and create final PDF versions of the documents where necessary. Any more, with these tools that are used and available, it is much easier for a company to roll in the upgrades or changes into a Word document with the "Track Changes" for edits or additions that are made by different technicians, engineers, or staff employees. However, after the final review and when the "Track Changes" are saved into the document, pending an internal review of the document for accuracy, an updated new version of the document is then generated for distribution. Gone are the days of the incremental page changes (change 1, change 2, etc;) appended at the end of a document. It is much easier today to just provide updated revisions of the entire document as opposed to the manpower and configuration management for a bunch of incremental addendums or updates that have to be manually entered into a document. When it takes less than five minutes to download a document from a corporate site, it does not make any sense to create a bunch of work for the company staff in the areas of Tech order management. You can either get an updated version of the entire document from their tech order document library or have them mail you a CD ROM. The other problem with the nature of TO writing is that it is manpower intensive as far as hours per page development and has a tendency to become a cost factor that can end up getting reflected into the cost of the product or the price you pay. Just my thoughts. Each company can handle their technical documentation in their own fashion, however, it can get expensive, if not done efficiently. Thanks, Jim Dunbar K4PV Principal Engineer Senior Technical Staff MTC Technologies (BAE Systems) Crestview, Florida -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:35 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement Jerry Keller (K3BZ) wrote: >Downloadable manuals are fine... a good way to stay up to >date. However, it shouldn't be necessary to download the entire >manual every time a change is made. Any change should be in the >form of a series of either "added pages".... or "changed >pages"...with each page dated and numbered, perhaps with an >alpha-numeric system. A page numbering system should be used that >allows added or changed pages to be printed and inserted in the >user's manual to keep it up-to-date. Changed pages should indicate >the page number and date that is being replaced. This may seem >cumbersome, but if well executed will result in the user being able >to maintain an accurate, constantly updated paper manual. > >There's no reason why this same system cannot be used to maintain an >on-line, downloadable manual.... so a user can choose which system >to use. This also enables a paper-manual user to enter the system >and download a full-up-to-the-minute manual at any time. Some of us >are very uncomfortable without a paper manual and are willing to do >the work necessary to keep one updated. Others can happily live >with an on-line manual. Both deserve to be served, and can be..... >if Elecraft uses a well-designed page numbering system. > >73, Jerry K3BZ I prefer Elecraft simply updating the same manual, over and over, then converting it to a PDF then posting it on the web page each time. Then just send an email to the mailing list stating that the manual has been updated. I don't particularly care for errata or addendum sheets unless they're in addition to the manual update, dated and added at the end of the updated manual. Paul N4LCD _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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As a number of people have posted alternative suggestions, I'd just like to say that I second Phil's idea. I don't know of any place where I live that would print and bind a manual from a PDF at a reasonable price, I certainly don't want to print it myself using a slow budget inkjet printer with expensive ink cartridges, and I don't see why Elecraft shouldn't make a bit of extra money selling updated manuals to those that want them.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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If Elecraft ever does decide to sell paper manuals, they should be loose
pages so not only can they be put in a binder, but also so added and changed pages can be easily inserted, to keep it updated. 73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "G4ILO" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - New Radio Excitement > > > Phil & Debbie Salas wrote: >> >> Here's an idea - Why not offer new manuals for sale as a separate line >> item >> for those of us with K3s who wish to occasionally purchase a new manual >> that has all the latest and greatest info? Yes, I can download an >> updated >> manual. But I'd prefer a nice two-sided color manual. >> > As a number of people have posted alternative suggestions, I'd just like > to > say that I second Phil's idea. I don't know of any place where I live that > would print and bind a manual from a PDF at a reasonable price, I > certainly > don't want to print it myself using a slow budget inkjet printer with > expensive ink cartridges, and I don't see why Elecraft shouldn't make a > bit > of extra money selling updated manuals to those that want them. > > ----- > Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 > G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com > Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/K3---New-Radio-Excitement-tp15919828p15950727.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Yep, I go with that - it would need to be colour, 2 sided and layflat
binding - at the end of the day, would it be worth Elecraft's while to do this - I think it would be quite expensive. I just download the latest and access it from my Mac - searching is easier to start with. It's been suggested that Nifty might make a K3 mini manual. On 10/03/2008 12:48, "G4ILO" <[hidden email]> sent: > > > Phil & Debbie Salas wrote: >> >> Here's an idea - Why not offer new manuals for sale as a separate line >> item >> for those of us with K3s who wish to occasionally purchase a new manual >> that has all the latest and greatest info? Yes, I can download an updated >> manual. But I'd prefer a nice two-sided color manual. >> > As a number of people have posted alternative suggestions, I'd just like to > say that I second Phil's idea. I don't know of any place where I live that > would print and bind a manual from a PDF at a reasonable price, I certainly > don't want to print it myself using a slow budget inkjet printer with > expensive ink cartridges, and I don't see why Elecraft shouldn't make a bit > of extra money selling updated manuals to those that want them. > > ----- > Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 > G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com > Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. -Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel laureate (1879-1955) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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But they have to produce them for new products anyway. They probably
have them printed more or less on demand, so it would just be a matter of adding an extra one when someone orders. Whatever the cost is, it's unlikely to be more than the user doing it themselves. And some people might not mind paying a bit more anyway just for the convenience. -- Julian, G4ILO Member: RSGB, ARRL QRP Station: Elecraft K3 #222, K2 #392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com On 10/03/2008, David Ferrington, M0XDF <[hidden email]> wrote: > at the end of the day, would it be worth Elecraft's while to do > this - I think it would be quite expensive. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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they don't produce colour lay-flat though - but yes the rest is most likely
correct On 10/03/2008 13:57, "Julian G4ILO" <[hidden email]> sent: > But they have to produce them for new products anyway. They probably > have them printed more or less on demand, so it would just be a matter > of adding an extra one when someone orders. Whatever the cost is, it's > unlikely to be more than the user doing it themselves. And some people > might not mind paying a bit more anyway just for the convenience. -- An old miser kept a tame jackdaw, that used to steal pieces of money, and hide them in a hole, which a cat observing, asked, "Why he would hoard up those round shining things that he could make no use of?" "Why," said the jackdaw, "my master has a whole chestfull, and makes no more use of them that I do." -Jonathan Swift, satirist (1667-1745) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Phil Salas
Julian G4ILO wrote:
"... and I don't see why Elecraft shouldn't make a bit of extra money selling updated manuals to those that want them." Especially since Elecraft is already printing them for new radios. Phil - AD5X _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Jerry Keller (K3BZ)
You can do a comparison of two PDFs, but it requires Adobe Acrobat and it will mark the sections that have changed. Unfortunately this function is not available in the standard Reader.
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In reply to this post by Julian, G4ILO
This was an oversight on our part. We will be adding K3 manuals as an
order form item shortly. 73, Eric WA6HHQ ---- Julian wrote: As a number of people have posted alternative suggestions, I'd just like to say that I second Phil's idea. I don't know of any place where I live that would print and bind a manual from a PDF at a reasonable price, I certainly don't want to print it myself using a slow budget inkjet printer with expensive ink cartridges, and I don't see why Elecraft shouldn't make a bit of extra money selling updated manuals to those that want them. ----- Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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