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David Christ

K3 PA IO TST Problem

Bad 24 hours. Last night we hit a deer. Tonight while installing a
KPA3 in my K3 it fails the PAIO tst. No relay click. No fan action.
Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.

Any suggestions to try over the weekend would be appreciated.

David K0LUM
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Johnny Siu

Re: K3 PA IO TST Problem

Hello David,

Could you take out the KPA3 module and just leave the PAIO board? Do the test again so that we can determine whether the problem is solely coming from the PAIO board.

The PAIO board can work without the power module and the K3 can function in QRP mode?

BTW, do you install the fans connector in the correct way (beware of the position of the red wires)?

cheers,

Johnny VR2XMC

--- 2010年12月12日星期日，David Christ <[hidden email]> 寫道﹕

> 寄件人: David Christ <[hidden email]>
> 主題: [Elecraft] K3 PA IO TST Problem
> 收件人: [hidden email]
> 日期: 2010年12月12日,星期日,上午8:08
> Bad 24 hours. Last night we hit
> a deer. Tonight while installing a
> KPA3 in my K3 it fails the PAIO tst. No relay click.
> No fan action.
> Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.
>
> Any suggestions to try over the weekend would be
> appreciated.
>
> David K0LUM
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David Christ

Re: K3 PA IO TST Problem

This is during upgrading a K3/10 to a K3/100.
The PAIO test is done before the PA3 is
installed. And yes I made sure the red wire was
on the pin with the silk screened word red behind
it.

I haven't taken time to study the schematics yet or take voltage readings.

David K0LUM

At 8:16 AM +0800 12/12/10, Johnny Siu wrote:

>Hello David,
>
>Could you take out the KPA3 module and just
>leave the PAIO board? Do the test again so that
>we can determine whether the problem is solely
>coming from the PAIO board.
>
>The PAIO board can work without the power module
>and the K3 can function in QRP mode?
>
>BTW, do you install the fans connector in the
>correct way (beware of the position of the red
>wires)?
>
>
>cheers,
>
>Johnny VR2XMC
>
>--- 2010îN12åé12ì êØäìÅCDavid Christ <[hidden email]> õçì¼:
>
>
> > Bad 24 hours. Last night we hit
>> a deer. Tonight while installing a
>> KPA3 in my K3 it fails the PAIO tst. No relay click.
>> No fan action.
>> Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.
>>
>> Any suggestions to try over the weekend would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> David K0LUM
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Mark Bayern

Re: K3 PA IO TST Problem

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> Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.

Your message on the reflector will probably get you some unofficial
help. Did you also send an email to [hidden email]? I think
telephone might be the only communications method that is limited to
business hours at Elecraft.

Mark AD5SS

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:08 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Bad 24 hours. Last night we hit a deer. Tonight while installing a
> KPA3 in my K3 it fails the PAIO tst. No relay click. No fan action.
> Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.
>
> Any suggestions to try over the weekend would be appreciated.
>
> David K0LUM
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Johnny Siu

Re: K3 PA IO TST Problem

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Hi David,

Well, I think it is now the time to send your email to [hidden email] for assistance.

They know the KPA3 inside out.

cheers,

Johnny VR2XMC

--- 2010年12月12日星期日，David Christ <[hidden email]> 寫道﹕

> 寄件人: David Christ <[hidden email]>
> 主題: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PA IO TST Problem
> 收件人: "Johnny Siu" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> 日期: 2010年12月12日,星期日,上午9:01
> This is during upgrading a K3/10 to a
> K3/100.
> The PAIO test is done before the PA3 is
> installed. And yes I made sure the red wire was
> on the pin with the silk screened word red behind
> it.
>
> I haven't taken time to study the schematics yet or take
> voltage readings.
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
> At 8:16 AM +0800 12/12/10, Johnny Siu wrote:
> >Hello David,
> >
> >Could you take out the KPA3 module and just
> >leave the PAIO board? Do the test again so that
> >we can determine whether the problem is solely
> >coming from the PAIO board.
> >
> >The PAIO board can work without the power module
> >and the K3 can function in QRP mode?
> >
> >BTW, do you install the fans connector in the
> >correct way (beware of the position of the red
> >wires)?
> >
> >
> >cheers,
> >
> >Johnny VR2XMC
> >
> >--- 2010îN12åé12ì™ êØä™ì™ÅCDavid Christ
> <[hidden email]>
> õçì¼:
> >
> >
> > > Bad 24 hours. Last night we hit
> >> a deer. Tonight while installing a
> >> KPA3 in my K3 it fails the PAIO tst.
> No relay click.
> >> No fan action.
> >> Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions to try over the weekend
> would be
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >> David K0LUM
> >>
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David Christ

Re: K3 PA IO TST Problem

I posted it here just in case there was something
obvious I overlooked. I am too busy this weekend
to do much more with it. My intention is to call
on Monday.

Thanks all.

David K0LUM

At 9:26 AM +0800 12/12/10, Johnny Siu wrote:

>Hi David,
>
>Well, I think it is now the time to send your
>email to [hidden email] for assistance.
>
>They know the KPA3 inside out.
>
>
>cheers,
>
>Johnny VR2XMC
>
>
>--- 2010îN12åé12ì êØäìÅCDavid Christ <[hidden email]> õçì¼:
>
>> äÒåèêl: David Christ <[hidden email]>
>> éÂëË: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PA IO TST Problem
>> ùæåèêl: "Johnny Siu" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
>> ìä: 2010îN12åé12ì,êØäì,èåþ9:01
>> This is during upgrading a K3/10 to a
>> K3/100.
>> The PAIO test is done before the PA3 is
>> installed. And yes I made sure the red wire was
>> on the pin with the silk screened word red behind
>> it.
>>
>> I haven't taken time to study the schematics yet or take
>> voltage readings.
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>
>> At 8:16 AM +0800 12/12/10, Johnny Siu wrote:
>> >Hello David,
>> >
>> >Could you take out the KPA3 module and just
>> >leave the PAIO board? Do the test again so that
>> >we can determine whether the problem is solely
>> >coming from the PAIO board.
>> >
>> >The PAIO board can work without the power module
>> >and the K3 can function in QRP mode?
>> >
>> >BTW, do you install the fans connector in the
>> >correct way (beware of the position of the red
>> >wires)?
>> >
>> >
>> >cheers,
>> >
>> >Johnny VR2XMC
>> >
>> >--- 2010îN12åé12ì êØäìÅCDavid Christ
>> <[hidden email]>
>> õçì14:
>> >
>> >
>> > > Bad 24 hours. Last night we hit
>> >> a deer. Tonight while installing a
>> >> KPA3 in my K3 it fails the PAIO tst.
>> No relay click.
>> >> No fan action.
>> >> Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.
>> >>
>> >> Any suggestions to try over the weekend
>> would be
>> >> appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> David K0LUM
>> >>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>

David Christ

Re: K3 PA IO TST Problem

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That was it. I had tried it a second time per installation
instructions. Tried a third time and there it went. Now I can
continue the installation. There is another small mystery which can
be solved later. When I go to fan 1 the fans jerk once but don't
spin. Going to 2 3 and 4 they spin fine. If I go to e and then to 1
they continue to spin. Also if I start at 1 and flick the blades
with my finger they run fine. Ill have to get out my VOM and check
the supply voltage.

Makes me think of that cell phone ad. With Elecraft you are getting
thousands of support people.

David K0LUM

At 5:57 PM -0800 12/11/10, Gary wrote:

>David,
>In my experience failure of the PAIO test on the first try is normal and is
>usually corrected by cycling power. If you haven't already try the test
>procedure again after cycling power to the K3 using its POWER switch. If the
>test fails on the second try then cycle power again and try a third time. If
>the test still fails then there is definitely a problem. Good luck.
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email]
>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Christ
>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:09 PM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA IO TST Problem
>
>Bad 24 hours. Last night we hit a deer. Tonight while installing a
>KPA3 in my K3 it fails the PAIO tst. No relay click. No fan action.
>Can't contact Elecraft until Monday.
>
>Any suggestions to try over the weekend would be appreciated.
>
>David K0LUM
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