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Nand Kishore

K3-PR10

Any news on ready to ship date.

Nandu
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N5GE-2

Re: K3-PR10

I don't see that on the Elecraft product list and a search of their
web doesn't find anything.

What is it?

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:43:23 +0530, Nand Kishore <[hidden email]>
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KD4NUE

Re: K3-PR10

10m preamp - TBA

David
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

I don't see that on the Elecraft product list and a search of their web
doesn't find anything.

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Jack Berry

Re: K3-PR10

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I asked about 2 weeks ago and Lisa said they are building inventory before listing it on the order form. It is a 10 meter preamp, similar to the PR-6.

God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

I don't see that on the Elecraft product list and a search of their
web doesn't find anything.

What is it?

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alsopb

Re: K3-PR10

This is perplexing. Why not have a PR10/6 where both bands are in the
same unit? Surely that is possible.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 10/25/2012 20:07, Jack Berry wrote:
> I asked about 2 weeks ago and Lisa said they are building inventory before listing it on the order form. It is a 10 meter preamp, similar to the PR-6.
>
>
> God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
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N0AZZ

Re: K3-PR10

That would make the most sense for sure and save some space as well.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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This is perplexing. Why not have a PR10/6 where both bands are in the same
unit? Surely that is possible.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 10/25/2012 20:07, Jack Berry wrote:
> I asked about 2 weeks ago and Lisa said they are building inventory before
listing it on the order form. It is a 10 meter preamp, similar to the PR-6.
>
>
> God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
>
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wayne burdick

Re: K3-PR10

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In reply to this post by alsopb

We started with the PR6. We didn't know anyone would ever want a PR10
until last year. A two-band unit might be possible, but it's not in
our plan (yet).

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Brian Alsop wrote:

> This is perplexing. Why not have a PR10/6 where both bands are in the
> same unit? Surely that is possible.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> On 10/25/2012 20:07, Jack Berry wrote:
>> I asked about 2 weeks ago and Lisa said they are building inventory
>> before listing it on the order form. It is a 10 meter preamp,
>> similar to the PR-6.
>>
>>
>> God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
>>
>>
>>
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N0AZZ

Re: K3-PR10

Wayne thanks for the consideration of the 2 band unit. It's things like
these that make Elecraft such a great company.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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We started with the PR6. We didn't know anyone would ever want a PR10 until
last year. A two-band unit might be possible, but it's not in our plan
(yet).

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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KXBill

Re: KAT-500 Info?

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When will the KAT500 be shown on the "Products" page ?I see a lot of talk and I may want to purchase one but where is the data published?Ciaode Bill-w7kxb . .

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Gary K9GS

Re: K3-PR10

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Boy...I was thinking of buying a PR-6 soon. I'd buy a dual band unit in
a heartbeat.

On 10/25/2012 3:59 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> We started with the PR6. We didn't know anyone would ever want a PR10
> until last year. A two-band unit might be possible, but it's not in
> our plan (yet).
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Brian Alsop wrote:
>
>> This is perplexing. Why not have a PR10/6 where both bands are in the
>> same unit? Surely that is possible.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>> On 10/25/2012 20:07, Jack Berry wrote:
>>> I asked about 2 weeks ago and Lisa said they are building inventory
>>> before listing it on the order form. It is a 10 meter preamp,
>>> similar to the PR-6.
>>>
>>>
>>> God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: KAT-500 Info?

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Bill,

It is on the order page, but not yet on the Products page. It should be
moved to the products page soon (I have no inside information to say when).

73,
Don w3FPR

On 10/25/2012 8:47 PM, Bill Harris wrote:
> When will the KAT500 be shown on the "Products" page ?I see a lot of talk and I may want to purchase one but where is the data published?Ciaode Bill-w7kxb . .
>
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Re: K3-PR10

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Just a question, does the K3 really need a 10M preamp, I know it's as deaf as a post on 6 but mine seems very lively on 10.

Best regards, Tim Hague
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On 26 Oct 2012, at 02:07, Gary K9GS <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Boy...I was thinking of buying a PR-6 soon. I'd buy a dual band unit in
> a heartbeat.
>
>
> On 10/25/2012 3:59 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> We started with the PR6. We didn't know anyone would ever want a PR10
>> until last year. A two-band unit might be possible, but it's not in
>> our plan (yet).
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Brian Alsop wrote:
>>
>>> This is perplexing. Why not have a PR10/6 where both bands are in the
>>> same unit? Surely that is possible.
>>>
>>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>>
>>> On 10/25/2012 20:07, Jack Berry wrote:
>>>> I asked about 2 weeks ago and Lisa said they are building inventory
>>>> before listing it on the order form. It is a 10 meter preamp,
>>>> similar to the PR-6.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
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N0AZZ

Re: K3-PR10

Tim

I can address this a little comparing my FTDX-5000MP and my K3's the k3's
receivers are not up to the level of the Yaesu 5000 on the high bands. But
quite the other way around on the low bands in IMHO but 6/10m really needs a
good preamp for sure.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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Just a question, does the K3 really need a 10M preamp, I know it's as deaf
as a post on 6 but mine seems very lively on 10.

Best regards, Tim Hague
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Sent on my iPad

On 26 Oct 2012, at 02:07, Gary K9GS <[hidden email]> wrote:

dmb@lightstream.net

Re: K3-PR10

Fred,

You must have an enviably quiet QTH (or a very poor antenna) if you find
that the K3 can benefit from a preamp on 10m. I work a lot of weak
signal CW on 10m with a simple Hex Beam up about 45 feet. Even with the
Hex Beam's low gain, I can see the noise floor drop by about 9 dBm when
I disconnect the antenna from the K3 with the antenna pointed to the
quietest part of the sky in the early morning hours when the band is
clearly not open. These measurements were taken using both the P3 and
the K3's built-in AFV amd dBV measurement functionality.

Based upon the above measurements, the band noise is already one and a
half S-Units above the receiver's noise floor, so it seems to me that in
terms of improving the signal to noise ratio, a preamp would be of
little value.

What am I missing here? (perhaps a quieter location ;-) )

73, Dale
WA8SRA

On 10/26/2012 4:51 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
> Tim
>
> I can address this a little comparing my FTDX-5000MP and my K3's the k3's
> receivers are not up to the level of the Yaesu 5000 on the high bands. But
> quite the other way around on the low bands in IMHO but 6/10m really needs a
> good preamp for sure.
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ

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Re: K3-PR10

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To put the issue of "need" to bed some MDS meausrements with narrow
bandwidth CW would be useful.

Something that would be of more useful would be a fully integrated
internal unit that is assessable with a second click of the preamp button.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 10/25/2012 20:59, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> We started with the PR6. We didn't know anyone would ever want a PR10
> until last year. A two-band unit might be possible, but it's not in our
> plan (yet).
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>

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Ed Muns, W0YK

Re: K3-PR10

In reply to this post by M0AFJ

For many situations, no, the K3 does not need additional RF gain on 10
meters. However, in quiet locations additional gain is needed to pull weak
signals further above the noise floor for good copy. The PR10 takes the MDS
down to about -143 dBm and the addition of the internal pre-amp down to
about -144.5 dBm. In the past two years, I've Beta-tested the PR10 in
California on a very quiet ridge top QTH and in Aruba which is also very
quiet much of the time. Primarily in contest conditions struggling to get
weaker and weaker signals out of the noise floor. At times I've engaged the
internal K3 pre-amp in addition to the PR10 to get enough gain to copy weak
signals, even though the dynamic range of the system suffers and desense can
be a problem. In the JARTS RTTY contest I only operated 10 and 15 meters
for about 16 hours, and I had the PR10 and K3 pre-amp on the entire time
from here in California. Copy was marginal on some of the signals but even
the strongest signals didn't blast me.

Again, this much gain on 10 meters is not needed most of the time. The K3
RF gain on 6 and 10 meters is less than some other receivers in order to
achieve the excellent dynamic range and desense specs. It is a good design
trade-off, but there are times when more gain is needed on these higher
bands.

Ed W0YK

Tim M0AFJ wrote:
> Just a question, does the K3 really need a 10M preamp, I know
> it's as deaf as a post on 6 but mine seems very lively on 10.

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N0AZZ

Re: K3-PR10

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Dale

Your missing the better receiver of the 5000 on 10m, and yes I live in the
country on a farm with 7 elements on 10m at 60'. My suggestion would be for
you to buy a 5000 and then you would hear the difference this is not a knee
jerk statement but one that was checked over many months with instant A/B
antenna switching to the same antenna. What are you using for your
comparison between the 2 radios other than an A/B side by side? I also have
a P3/SVGA and an SDR-IQ on the FTDX-5000 for a Panadpter for measurements.

For starters you might put up a better antenna a little higher and from the
sounds of it find somewhere that is in a quieter location to take advantage
of weak signal work. I'm very happy with my K3's and the K2, KPA500 and plan
on keeping them but there is no perfect radio all have their faults and
strong points. I don't know why some refuse to believe that a radio can be
lacking in any area no matter who made it, I have never had that problem. I
am not a brand loyal person but one who buys what he feels is the best
performing radio that meets his needs and a company he likes.

For now Elecraft meets my needs and are responsive to its customers with
products and support. I do believe that if Wayne or Eric thought that a 10m
preamp was not necessary they would not have one on the planning boards. For
all their feedback to customers is why I choose Elecraft they do not hide
their head in the sand.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:01 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

Fred,

You must have an enviably quiet QTH (or a very poor antenna) if you find
that the K3 can benefit from a preamp on 10m. I work a lot of weak signal CW
on 10m with a simple Hex Beam up about 45 feet. Even with the Hex Beam's low
gain, I can see the noise floor drop by about 9 dBm when I disconnect the
antenna from the K3 with the antenna pointed to the quietest part of the sky
in the early morning hours when the band is clearly not open. These
measurements were taken using both the P3 and the K3's built-in AFV amd dBV
measurement functionality.

Based upon the above measurements, the band noise is already one and a half
S-Units above the receiver's noise floor, so it seems to me that in terms of
improving the signal to noise ratio, a preamp would be of little value.

What am I missing here? (perhaps a quieter location ;-) )

73, Dale
WA8SRA

On 10/26/2012 4:51 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
> Tim
>
> I can address this a little comparing my FTDX-5000MP and my K3's the
> k3's receivers are not up to the level of the Yaesu 5000 on the high
> bands. But quite the other way around on the low bands in IMHO but
> 6/10m really needs a good preamp for sure.
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ

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Re: K3-PR10

In reply to this post by alsopb

I agree to the integrated internal unit being a better choice.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

To put the issue of "need" to bed some MDS meausrements with narrow
bandwidth CW would be useful.

Something that would be of more useful would be a fully integrated internal
unit that is assessable with a second click of the preamp button.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 10/25/2012 20:59, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> We started with the PR6. We didn't know anyone would ever want a PR10
> until last year. A two-band unit might be possible, but it's not in
> our plan (yet).
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>

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Re: K3-PR10

In reply to this post by N0AZZ

Fred,

Clearly, my QTH on the shore of Lake Erie about 15 miles East of
Cleveland, Ohio is not as quiet as yours. I don't doubt that the K3
could benefit from a preamp on 10 meters -- IF -- one lives in a quiet
enough location to be able to appreciate it. My location does not qualify.

I compared the K3 rx performance on 10m with that of my FLEX-5000A, and
both indicate the noise floor rising about 8 to 9 dB when the Hex Beam
is connected. So, it's clear to me that the ambient noise level of my RF
environment already exceeds the noise floor of the receivers, and I
wouldn't benefit from the PR-10.

Please note: I am not saying that the PR-10 would not be beneficial for
some stations, and I'm quite sure that the Elecraft engineers wouldn't
develop and market the PR-10 for lack of anything better to do. I've
always operated from this area, so it's the only RF environment I know,
and based upon my tests, the PR-10 would provide no benefit here, at
this QTH. It would be nice if the rf environment was a bit quieter, but
I'm still having fun.

73, Dale
WA8SRA

On 10/26/2012 8:11 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

> Dale
>
> Your missing the better receiver of the 5000 on 10m, and yes I live in the
> country on a farm with 7 elements on 10m at 60'. My suggestion would be for
> you to buy a 5000 and then you would hear the difference this is not a knee
> jerk statement but one that was checked over many months with instant A/B
> antenna switching to the same antenna. What are you using for your
> comparison between the 2 radios other than an A/B side by side? I also have
> a P3/SVGA and an SDR-IQ on the FTDX-5000 for a Panadpter for measurements.
>
> For starters you might put up a better antenna a little higher and from the
> sounds of it find somewhere that is in a quieter location to take advantage
> of weak signal work. I'm very happy with my K3's and the K2, KPA500 and plan
> on keeping them but there is no perfect radio all have their faults and
> strong points. I don't know why some refuse to believe that a radio can be
> lacking in any area no matter who made it, I have never had that problem. I
> am not a brand loyal person but one who buys what he feels is the best
> performing radio that meets his needs and a company he likes.
>
> For now Elecraft meets my needs and are responsive to its customers with
> products and support. I do believe that if Wayne or Eric thought that a 10m
> preamp was not necessary they would not have one on the planning boards. For
> all their feedback to customers is why I choose Elecraft they do not hide
> their head in the sand.
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dale Boresz
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:01 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10
>
> Fred,
>
> You must have an enviably quiet QTH (or a very poor antenna) if you find
> that the K3 can benefit from a preamp on 10m. I work a lot of weak signal CW
> on 10m with a simple Hex Beam up about 45 feet. Even with the Hex Beam's low
> gain, I can see the noise floor drop by about 9 dBm when I disconnect the
> antenna from the K3 with the antenna pointed to the quietest part of the sky
> in the early morning hours when the band is clearly not open. These
> measurements were taken using both the P3 and the K3's built-in AFV amd dBV
> measurement functionality.
>
> Based upon the above measurements, the band noise is already one and a half
> S-Units above the receiver's noise floor, so it seems to me that in terms of
> improving the signal to noise ratio, a preamp would be of little value.
>
> What am I missing here? (perhaps a quieter location ;-) )
>
> 73, Dale
> WA8SRA
>
>
>
> On 10/26/2012 4:51 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
>> Tim
>>
>> I can address this a little comparing my FTDX-5000MP and my K3's the
>> k3's receivers are not up to the level of the Yaesu 5000 on the high
>> bands. But quite the other way around on the low bands in IMHO but
>> 6/10m really needs a good preamp for sure.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred/N0AZZ
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Re: K3-PR10

In reply to this post by Gary K9GS

I second the notion of a combined unit. My noise floor is low on 6m and 10m in most directions (except when i aim my antennas (steppir three element and stack of sevens for 6m) south towards Tijuana - i live four miles from the border) nevertheless I would buy a combined unit in a nanosecond.

Keith
AG6AZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:07 PM, "Gary K9GS" <[hidden email]> wrote: