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I've been playing around with PSK a bit with my PC and the K3. One thing I
don't care for with the digimodes is the need to drive the transceiver with audio out from the PC. Messing with the drive levels and being wary of PC audio sounds is a turn off. The K3 has PSK-D which provides a nice facility for sending without those issues. It would be nice to have a program which combines PSK-D sending with the waterfall ability of a PC receiving/decoding the audio. That would give a (limited) panoramic view, point and click QSY and AFC. It seems like this is possible but haven't seen it done. The K3 provides the audio regardless of whether PSK-D or PSK is chosen. All these programs already send and receive data to/from the K3 via the serial link. It would seem like a small addition to add a KY stream for sending in place of the audio output modulation. I realize it would require QSY to the received signal but that doesn't seem like a big deal. Are there other reasons which prevent this? Jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I'm rather hoping that this will be included in further expansion of the P3. It's an expensive potential solution though, if you don't already have one! 73 -- Stephen On 20 Oct 2011, at 16:34, Jim Miller <[hidden email]> wrote: > I've been playing around with PSK a bit with my PC and the K3. One thing I > don't care for with the digimodes is the need to drive the transceiver with > audio out from the PC. Messing with the drive levels and being wary of PC > audio sounds is a turn off. > > The K3 has PSK-D which provides a nice facility for sending without those > issues. It would be nice to have a program which combines PSK-D sending with > the waterfall ability of a PC receiving/decoding the audio. That would give > a (limited) panoramic view, point and click QSY and AFC. It seems like this > is possible but haven't seen it done. > > The K3 provides the audio regardless of whether PSK-D or PSK is chosen. All > these programs already send and receive data to/from the K3 via the serial > link. It would seem like a small addition to add a KY stream for sending in > place of the audio output modulation. I realize it would require QSY to the > received signal but that doesn't seem like a big deal. > > Are there other reasons which prevent this? > > Jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Jim,
If you can convince the authors of the software that provides the waterfall display you wish to send an ascii stream to the K3 via the "KY" command(s), then what you wish will be accomplished. The K3 has made that provision possible, but so far, only a couple applications have chosen to take advantage of it. I am not certain about the inclusion of "point and click", you may have to tune the signal to a certain point on the waterfall display - it all depends on the software author. For an parallel approach for RTTY using PSK-D, take a look at what is available with MMTTY. Something similar could be done with PSK-31. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/20/2011 11:34 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > I've been playing around with PSK a bit with my PC and the K3. One thing I > don't care for with the digimodes is the need to drive the transceiver with > audio out from the PC. Messing with the drive levels and being wary of PC > audio sounds is a turn off. > > The K3 has PSK-D which provides a nice facility for sending without those > issues. It would be nice to have a program which combines PSK-D sending with > the waterfall ability of a PC receiving/decoding the audio. That would give > a (limited) panoramic view, point and click QSY and AFC. It seems like this > is possible but haven't seen it done. > > The K3 provides the audio regardless of whether PSK-D or PSK is chosen. All > these programs already send and receive data to/from the K3 via the serial > link. It would seem like a small addition to add a KY stream for sending in > place of the audio output modulation. I realize it would require QSY to the > received signal but that doesn't seem like a big deal. > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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It's just something software authors have not bothered with since they
already work with audio with no problems. There are two programs which may be of interest.... KTune has a function for a digital window using FSK-D and PSK-D using the K3 com port. I don't recall if there is a waterfall or not. TRX-Manager is a pay program. The K3 monitoring window has a feature where you can send CW, PSK-D and FSK-D over the RS232 port. But there is no waterfall. HRD works with the KY command for CW but not for PSK-D. 73 Greg AB7R On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Jim Miller <[hidden email]> wrote: > I've been playing around with PSK a bit with my PC and the K3. One thing I > don't care for with the digimodes is the need to drive the transceiver with > audio out from the PC. Messing with the drive levels and being wary of PC > audio sounds is a turn off. > > The K3 has PSK-D which provides a nice facility for sending without those > issues. It would be nice to have a program which combines PSK-D sending > with > the waterfall ability of a PC receiving/decoding the audio. That would give > a (limited) panoramic view, point and click QSY and AFC. It seems like this > is possible but haven't seen it done. > > The K3 provides the audio regardless of whether PSK-D or PSK is chosen. > All > these programs already send and receive data to/from the K3 via the serial > link. It would seem like a small addition to add a KY stream for sending in > place of the audio output modulation. I realize it would require QSY to the > received signal but that doesn't seem like a big deal. > > Are there other reasons which prevent this? > > Jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I thought about it a bit more and there would not be a need to retune the K3
receive side if split was used. VFO A would be used to set the listening range that the PC operated its decoding on (~2.5Khz) and that same program could QSY VFO B for transmitting (KY stream) in split mode so that the display wouldn't need to be slewed each time a new QSO was started. PSK is narrow band enough that a few Khz visible can contain many signals. I don't have a dedicated ham shack PC. My one laptop serves multiple purposes and not fiddling with the audio to ensure it is properly setup for PSK would be nice. Jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Thanks for the point to G4ILO's site. KCOMM looks very close to what I want. I'll give it a try. He mentions that due to health reasons he is no longer developing any software. Thanks Jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Jim,
If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly recommend a dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further recommend a desktop running Windows XP. Most all ham applications will run on XP, but some have trouble on Vista or Win7. A desktop allows you to install real serial ports (which work better than USB adapters, and support multiple soundcards. I would suggest a re-furbished off-lease PC - they are often available with WinXP Pro and are priced in the $200 range (monitor not included). I particularly like the IBM desktops, but there are many others that will serve quite well - one source is www.tigerdirect.com. For most ham applications a 1.5 GHz processor with 512MB (or 1 GB) of RAM and a 40 GB Hard drive is plenty of 'horsepower' - yes, there are some combinations of applications, like HRD with LP Bridge and PowerSDR that will bog that size computer down, but most ham applications will run with ease. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/20/2011 1:29 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I don't have a dedicated ham shack PC. My one laptop serves multiple > purposes and not fiddling with the audio to ensure it is properly setup for > PSK would be nice. > > Jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly > recommend a dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further > recommend a desktop running Windows XP. Most all ham applications > will run on XP, but some have trouble on Vista or Win7. I would strongly urge anyone considering a new computer installation to give up on Windows XP. XP is a "dead" operating system - it has been out of support by Microsoft for more than a year. Any developer worth his salt is no longer coding for XP and many current releases have features not supported on XP (if the software will even load and run). In spite of it's differences in audio handling, Windows 7 is much more stable and capable than Windows XP ... Vista is not worth having on any system. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/20/2011 8:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jim, > > If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly recommend a > dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further recommend a desktop > running Windows XP. Most all ham applications will run on XP, but some > have trouble on Vista or Win7. A desktop allows you to install real > serial ports (which work better than USB adapters, and support multiple > soundcards. > > I would suggest a re-furbished off-lease PC - they are often available > with WinXP Pro and are priced in the $200 range (monitor not included). > I particularly like the IBM desktops, but there are many others that > will serve quite well - one source is www.tigerdirect.com. For most ham > applications a 1.5 GHz processor with 512MB (or 1 GB) of RAM and a 40 GB > Hard drive is plenty of 'horsepower' - yes, there are some combinations > of applications, like HRD with LP Bridge and PowerSDR that will bog that > size computer down, but most ham applications will run with ease. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/20/2011 1:29 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> I don't have a dedicated ham shack PC. My one laptop serves multiple >> purposes and not fiddling with the audio to ensure it is properly setup for >> PSK would be nice. >> >> Jim ab3cv >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Don...
I had originally penned a long op-ed piece in response to this thread, but decided not to waste server space. If one is thinking of a dedicated ham shack machine for digital modes, I think your recommendation of XP (Pro) on a refurbished machine with half a gig of core and a modest hard drive is right on target. The idea that XP is "dead" is no more true than the idea that the PC is also "dead." A lot of things are bruited about by those who sell computers that are pure nonsense. I have a small XP/Pro machine that does an excellent job. I also have a much more capable WIN7 machine that handles digital mode communications very well, along with all my other computing needs, e.g. Maple/MathCad, video chat, records keeping, PC board editing, etc. etc. ad naus. Guess which one travels with me in mobile mode... John Ragle -- W1ZI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Joe,
What you say is partially correct (it all depends on your definition of "dead"). WinXP is still supported for security updates from Microsoft. Although, MS will no longer answer specific questions relating to WinXP, they are still providing "support" in the form of security updates. While I can agree that official support for a particular OS may be important, to some hams who want to run "legacy" applications, that is not possible with Win7 because it prevents applications from storing into their application folder - instead, insist that that data be stored into each users Documents and Settings folder. Which is better - it all depends on what you want to do. If the author for the application that you wish to use is "worth his salt", then the most recent download of that application will work on Win7 - and will likely run on WinXP (there may be exceptions). But if the application author has not been keeping up with updates in the MS OS migration )"legacy applications"), those applications may work under WinXP and fail under Win7. So each user must make a choice of the OS to be used. Make that choice based on your need for legacy applications - if you have no need for those, then Win7 is the clear winner. I stick with WinXP for reasons unrelated to this discussion. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/20/2011 8:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > >> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly >> recommend a dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further >> recommend a desktop running Windows XP. Most all ham applications >> will run on XP, but some have trouble on Vista or Win7. > > I would strongly urge anyone considering a new computer installation > to give up on Windows XP. XP is a "dead" operating system - it has > been out of support by Microsoft for more than a year. Any developer > worth his salt is no longer coding for XP and many current releases > have features not supported on XP (if the software will even load > and run). > > In spite of it's differences in audio handling, Windows 7 is much > more stable and capable than Windows XP ... Vista is not worth > having on any system. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 10/20/2011 8:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Jim, >> >> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly recommend a >> dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further recommend a desktop >> running Windows XP. Most all ham applications will run on XP, but some >> have trouble on Vista or Win7. A desktop allows you to install real >> serial ports (which work better than USB adapters, and support multiple >> soundcards. >> >> I would suggest a re-furbished off-lease PC - they are often available >> with WinXP Pro and are priced in the $200 range (monitor not included). >> I particularly like the IBM desktops, but there are many others that >> will serve quite well - one source is www.tigerdirect.com. For most ham >> applications a 1.5 GHz processor with 512MB (or 1 GB) of RAM and a 40 GB >> Hard drive is plenty of 'horsepower' - yes, there are some combinations >> of applications, like HRD with LP Bridge and PowerSDR that will bog that >> size computer down, but most ham applications will run with ease. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 10/20/2011 1:29 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >>> I don't have a dedicated ham shack PC. My one laptop serves multiple >>> purposes and not fiddling with the audio to ensure it is properly >>> setup for >>> PSK would be nice. >>> >>> Jim ab3cv >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This is from Microsoft's website:
Desktop operating systems Latest service pack End of mainstream support End of extended support Windows XP Service Pack 3 April 14, 2009 April 8, 2014 I'm an XP fan, but it does look like XP is close to coming to an end. Mainstream support is for consumers. Extended support is for commercial users. I'm still getting updates and patches for my XP machines, but who knows how long that will last. Dave, N4QS ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ragle" <[hidden email]> To: "Don Wilhelm" <[hidden email]>; "elecraft" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Re" ham shack computers... > Don... > > I had originally penned a long op-ed piece in response to this > thread, but decided not to waste server space. If one is thinking of a > dedicated ham shack machine for digital modes, I think your > recommendation of XP (Pro) on a refurbished machine with half a gig of > core and a modest hard drive is right on target. The idea that XP is > "dead" is no more true than the idea that the PC is also "dead." A lot > of things are bruited about by those who sell computers that are pure > nonsense. I have a small XP/Pro machine that does an excellent job. I > also have a much more capable WIN7 machine that handles digital mode > communications very well, along with all my other computing needs, e.g. > Maple/MathCad, video chat, records keeping, PC board editing, etc. etc. > ad naus. Guess which one travels with me in mobile mode... > > John Ragle -- W1ZI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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This is from Microsoft's website: Desktop operating systems Windows XP End of mainstream support April 14, 2009 End of extended support April 8, 2014 I'm an XP fan, but it does look like XP is close to coming to an end. Mainstream support is for consumers. Extended support is for commercial users. I'm still getting updates and patches for my XP machines, but who knows how long that will last. Dave, N4QS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Ragle" <[hidden email]> > To: "Don Wilhelm" <[hidden email]>; "elecraft" > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:01 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Re" ham shack computers... > > >> Don... >> >> I had originally penned a long op-ed piece in response to this >> thread, but decided not to waste server space. If one is thinking of a >> dedicated ham shack machine for digital modes, I think your >> recommendation of XP (Pro) on a refurbished machine with half a gig of >> core and a modest hard drive is right on target. The idea that XP is >> "dead" is no more true than the idea that the PC is also "dead." A lot >> of things are bruited about by those who sell computers that are pure >> nonsense. I have a small XP/Pro machine that does an excellent job. I >> also have a much more capable WIN7 machine that handles digital mode >> communications very well, along with all my other computing needs, e.g. >> Maple/MathCad, video chat, records keeping, PC board editing, etc. etc. >> ad naus. Guess which one travels with me in mobile mode... >> >> John Ragle -- W1ZI >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Dave,
That says we can obtain updates for WinXP until April 8, 2014. That gives me almost 2 1/2 years to consider where I go from this point forward for my choice of Operating Systems. Much of that choice will be made based on the applications that I wish to run and my computing budget. Maybe I can find some method of making my Linux computers have full file access to my Windows based network shared files, but so far, Samba has not done the deed properly for me - sometimes it works, sometimes not. I do hope that is resolved because for economy reasons, the upgrade for me from WinXP is Ubuntu - I just have too many computers running WinXP to purchase Win7 for all of them. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/20/2011 10:15 PM, Dave Perry wrote: > My last email lost its format. > This is from Microsoft's website: > > Desktop operating systems Windows XP > End of mainstream support April 14, 2009 > End of extended support April 8, 2014 > > > I'm an XP fan, but it does look like XP is close to coming to an end. > Mainstream support is for consumers. Extended support is for > commercial users. I'm still getting updates and patches for my XP > machines, but who knows how long that will last. > > Dave, N4QS > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Don, I was specifically speaking to *new* installations ... try to find a fresh copy of Windows XP - particularly Windows XP Professional which is the only version worth having - for sale at any reputable dealer. You certainly will not find it at New Egg or Tiger Direct. Second, I don't know where people are coming up with an end of support date in 2014 for Windows XP. This Microsoft site http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/end-support says: "Support for Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) ended on July 13, 2010.*" Considering that new Windows 7 systems with 2 GHz dual or quad core processors and 4 GB of RAM are regularly available for less than $500, I don't understand why anyone would spend more than half that for a 500 MB/1 GHz single core system with Windows XP ... it simply is not long term thinking. The recycled XP box will have no support and gather dust while the higher performance system is still a mainstream performer. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/20/2011 10:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Joe, > > What you say is partially correct (it all depends on your definition of > "dead"). WinXP is still supported for security updates from Microsoft. > Although, MS will no longer answer specific questions relating to WinXP, > they are still providing "support" in the form of security updates. > > While I can agree that official support for a particular OS may be > important, to some hams who want to run "legacy" applications, that is > not possible with Win7 because it prevents applications from storing > into their application folder - instead, insist that that data be stored > into each users Documents and Settings folder. > > Which is better - it all depends on what you want to do. If the author > for the application that you wish to use is "worth his salt", then the > most recent download of that application will work on Win7 - and will > likely run on WinXP (there may be exceptions). But if the application > author has not been keeping up with updates in the MS OS migration > )"legacy applications"), those applications may work under WinXP and > fail under Win7. > > So each user must make a choice of the OS to be used. Make that choice > based on your need for legacy applications - if you have no need for > those, then Win7 is the clear winner. I stick with WinXP for reasons > unrelated to this discussion. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/20/2011 8:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >>> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly >>> recommend a dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further >>> recommend a desktop running Windows XP. Most all ham applications >>> will run on XP, but some have trouble on Vista or Win7. >> >> I would strongly urge anyone considering a new computer installation >> to give up on Windows XP. XP is a "dead" operating system - it has >> been out of support by Microsoft for more than a year. Any developer >> worth his salt is no longer coding for XP and many current releases >> have features not supported on XP (if the software will even load >> and run). >> >> In spite of it's differences in audio handling, Windows 7 is much >> more stable and capable than Windows XP ... Vista is not worth >> having on any system. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> >> On 10/20/2011 8:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Jim, >>> >>> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly recommend a >>> dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further recommend a desktop >>> running Windows XP. Most all ham applications will run on XP, but some >>> have trouble on Vista or Win7. A desktop allows you to install real >>> serial ports (which work better than USB adapters, and support multiple >>> soundcards. >>> >>> I would suggest a re-furbished off-lease PC - they are often available >>> with WinXP Pro and are priced in the $200 range (monitor not included). >>> I particularly like the IBM desktops, but there are many others that >>> will serve quite well - one source is www.tigerdirect.com. For most ham >>> applications a 1.5 GHz processor with 512MB (or 1 GB) of RAM and a 40 GB >>> Hard drive is plenty of 'horsepower' - yes, there are some combinations >>> of applications, like HRD with LP Bridge and PowerSDR that will bog that >>> size computer down, but most ham applications will run with ease. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 10/20/2011 1:29 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >>>> I don't have a dedicated ham shack PC. My one laptop serves multiple >>>> purposes and not fiddling with the audio to ensure it is properly >>>> setup for >>>> PSK would be nice. >>>> >>>> Jim ab3cv >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Your link below sites XP Service Pack 2. Service Pack 3 is still being supported. Dave, N4QS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: PSK "mixed mode" > > Don, > > I was specifically speaking to *new* installations ... try to find > a fresh copy of Windows XP - particularly Windows XP Professional > which is the only version worth having - for sale at any reputable > dealer. You certainly will not find it at New Egg or Tiger Direct. > > Second, I don't know where people are coming up with an end of > support date in 2014 for Windows XP. This Microsoft site > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/end-support says: > "Support for Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) ended on July 13, > 2010.*" > > Considering that new Windows 7 systems with 2 GHz dual or quad core > processors and 4 GB of RAM are regularly available for less than > $500, I don't understand why anyone would spend more than half that > for a 500 MB/1 GHz single core system with Windows XP ... it simply > is not long term thinking. The recycled XP box will have no support > and gather dust while the higher performance system is still a > mainstream performer. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/20/2011 10:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Joe, >> >> What you say is partially correct (it all depends on your definition of >> "dead"). WinXP is still supported for security updates from Microsoft. >> Although, MS will no longer answer specific questions relating to WinXP, >> they are still providing "support" in the form of security updates. >> >> While I can agree that official support for a particular OS may be >> important, to some hams who want to run "legacy" applications, that is >> not possible with Win7 because it prevents applications from storing >> into their application folder - instead, insist that that data be stored >> into each users Documents and Settings folder. >> >> Which is better - it all depends on what you want to do. If the author >> for the application that you wish to use is "worth his salt", then the >> most recent download of that application will work on Win7 - and will >> likely run on WinXP (there may be exceptions). But if the application >> author has not been keeping up with updates in the MS OS migration >> )"legacy applications"), those applications may work under WinXP and >> fail under Win7. >> >> So each user must make a choice of the OS to be used. Make that choice >> based on your need for legacy applications - if you have no need for >> those, then Win7 is the clear winner. I stick with WinXP for reasons >> unrelated to this discussion. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 10/20/2011 8:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly >>>> recommend a dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further >>>> recommend a desktop running Windows XP. Most all ham applications >>>> will run on XP, but some have trouble on Vista or Win7. >>> >>> I would strongly urge anyone considering a new computer installation >>> to give up on Windows XP. XP is a "dead" operating system - it has >>> been out of support by Microsoft for more than a year. Any developer >>> worth his salt is no longer coding for XP and many current releases >>> have features not supported on XP (if the software will even load >>> and run). >>> >>> In spite of it's differences in audio handling, Windows 7 is much >>> more stable and capable than Windows XP ... Vista is not worth >>> having on any system. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/20/2011 8:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly recommend >>>> a >>>> dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further recommend a desktop >>>> running Windows XP. Most all ham applications will run on XP, but some >>>> have trouble on Vista or Win7. A desktop allows you to install real >>>> serial ports (which work better than USB adapters, and support multiple >>>> soundcards. >>>> >>>> I would suggest a re-furbished off-lease PC - they are often available >>>> with WinXP Pro and are priced in the $200 range (monitor not included). >>>> I particularly like the IBM desktops, but there are many others that >>>> will serve quite well - one source is www.tigerdirect.com. For most >>>> ham >>>> applications a 1.5 GHz processor with 512MB (or 1 GB) of RAM and a 40 >>>> GB >>>> Hard drive is plenty of 'horsepower' - yes, there are some combinations >>>> of applications, like HRD with LP Bridge and PowerSDR that will bog >>>> that >>>> size computer down, but most ham applications will run with ease. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 10/20/2011 1:29 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >>>>> I don't have a dedicated ham shack PC. My one laptop serves multiple >>>>> purposes and not fiddling with the audio to ensure it is properly >>>>> setup for >>>>> PSK would be nice. >>>>> >>>>> Jim ab3cv >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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6 weeks ago I had a machine built to a high spec, I asked for Win XP Pro, but got a call saying Microsoft don't supply a stand alone xp pro os software anymore.
When I picked up my new PC the builder said MS supplied an official OS software disc with XP Pro and with licensed Win7 software onboard. Ken..G0ORH Sent from my iPhone On 21 Oct 2011, at 04:13, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Don, > > I was specifically speaking to *new* installations ... try to find > a fresh copy of Windows XP - particularly Windows XP Professional > which is the only version worth having - for sale at any reputable > dealer. You certainly will not find it at New Egg or Tiger Direct. > > Second, I don't know where people are coming up with an end of > support date in 2014 for Windows XP. This Microsoft site > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/end-support says: > "Support for Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) ended on July 13, 2010.*" > > Considering that new Windows 7 systems with 2 GHz dual or quad core > processors and 4 GB of RAM are regularly available for less than > $500, I don't understand why anyone would spend more than half that > for a 500 MB/1 GHz single core system with Windows XP ... it simply > is not long term thinking. The recycled XP box will have no support > and gather dust while the higher performance system is still a > mainstream performer. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/20/2011 10:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Joe, >> >> What you say is partially correct (it all depends on your definition of >> "dead"). WinXP is still supported for security updates from Microsoft. >> Although, MS will no longer answer specific questions relating to WinXP, >> they are still providing "support" in the form of security updates. >> >> While I can agree that official support for a particular OS may be >> important, to some hams who want to run "legacy" applications, that is >> not possible with Win7 because it prevents applications from storing >> into their application folder - instead, insist that that data be stored >> into each users Documents and Settings folder. >> >> Which is better - it all depends on what you want to do. If the author >> for the application that you wish to use is "worth his salt", then the >> most recent download of that application will work on Win7 - and will >> likely run on WinXP (there may be exceptions). But if the application >> author has not been keeping up with updates in the MS OS migration >> )"legacy applications"), those applications may work under WinXP and >> fail under Win7. >> >> So each user must make a choice of the OS to be used. Make that choice >> based on your need for legacy applications - if you have no need for >> those, then Win7 is the clear winner. I stick with WinXP for reasons >> unrelated to this discussion. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 10/20/2011 8:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly >>>> recommend a dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further >>>> recommend a desktop running Windows XP. Most all ham applications >>>> will run on XP, but some have trouble on Vista or Win7. >>> >>> I would strongly urge anyone considering a new computer installation >>> to give up on Windows XP. XP is a "dead" operating system - it has >>> been out of support by Microsoft for more than a year. Any developer >>> worth his salt is no longer coding for XP and many current releases >>> have features not supported on XP (if the software will even load >>> and run). >>> >>> In spite of it's differences in audio handling, Windows 7 is much >>> more stable and capable than Windows XP ... Vista is not worth >>> having on any system. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/20/2011 8:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> If you are serious about doing digital modes, I would highly recommend a >>>> dedicated PC for the hamshack, and I would further recommend a desktop >>>> running Windows XP. Most all ham applications will run on XP, but some >>>> have trouble on Vista or Win7. A desktop allows you to install real >>>> serial ports (which work better than USB adapters, and support multiple >>>> soundcards. >>>> >>>> I would suggest a re-furbished off-lease PC - they are often available >>>> with WinXP Pro and are priced in the $200 range (monitor not included). >>>> I particularly like the IBM desktops, but there are many others that >>>> will serve quite well - one source is www.tigerdirect.com. For most ham >>>> applications a 1.5 GHz processor with 512MB (or 1 GB) of RAM and a 40 GB >>>> Hard drive is plenty of 'horsepower' - yes, there are some combinations >>>> of applications, like HRD with LP Bridge and PowerSDR that will bog that >>>> size computer down, but most ham applications will run with ease. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 10/20/2011 1:29 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >>>>> I don't have a dedicated ham shack PC. My one laptop serves multiple >>>>> purposes and not fiddling with the audio to ensure it is properly >>>>> setup for >>>>> PSK would be nice. >>>>> >>>>> Jim ab3cv >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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You are correct about WinXP SP2, but support continues for WinXP SP3.
73, Don W3FPR On 10/20/2011 11:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Second, I don't know where people are coming up with an end of > support date in 2014 for Windows XP. This Microsoft site > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/end-support says: > "Support for Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) ended on July 13, 2010.*" > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Soundly seconded. Speaking as a fmr. IT professional, I have two machines;
One high-end Lenovo W520 ThinkPad running Win 7 Pro that stays home in the shack and another older IBM R51 ThinkPad running XP that gets batted about mobile. The R51 used to be my shack computer and its reliability and performance was responsible for my purchasing the newer ThinkPad. Honestly, there is very little, ham radio-wise, one can do on the newer and faster duo/quad core units that cannot be done on a 1.6GHz or 1.7GHz Centrino processor running Win XP SP3 and 2GB of DDR1 RAM. On the ThinkPad forums, it is often said that $400 or less will buy you a much higher quality older refurbished (or even sometimes a new old stock or NOS) ThinkPad rather than the shiny newer faster units of dubious quality. In any event, best of luck with whatever you choose. To all, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI -----Original Message----- From: John Ragle [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:02 PM To: Don Wilhelm; elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Re" ham shack computers... I think your recommendation of XP (Pro) on a refurbished machine with half a gig of core and a modest hard drive is right on target. The idea that XP is "dead" is no more true than the idea that the PC is also "dead." John Ragle -- W1ZI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 10/20/2011 7:11 PM, Dave Perry wrote:
> I'm an XP fan, but it does look like XP is close to coming to an > end. Mainstream support is for consumers. Extended support is > for commercial users. I'm still getting updates and patches for > my XP machines, but who knows how long that will last. The last bunch of patches appear to be security stuff for either the main OS, Windows Firewall, or for IE. For those of us who don't use the Windows Firewall or IE, would not the robust firewall/anti-virus program that I do use do the same thing? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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There is also the question of whether older ham applications will work
correctly on the newer OS, but then there's the question of whether the latest versions of ham software will work on older XP-based machines. With some SDRs, like the FlexRadio offerings, more CPU horsepower and memory are a definite advantage, since we're talking about real-time processing. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 10/21/2011 10:11 AM, Bert Craig wrote: > Soundly seconded. Speaking as a fmr. IT professional, I have two machines; > One high-end Lenovo W520 ThinkPad running Win 7 Pro that stays home in the > shack and another older IBM R51 ThinkPad running XP that gets batted about > mobile. The R51 used to be my shack computer and its reliability and > performance was responsible for my purchasing the newer ThinkPad. Honestly, > there is very little, ham radio-wise, one can do on the newer and faster > duo/quad core units that cannot be done on a 1.6GHz or 1.7GHz Centrino > processor running Win XP SP3 and 2GB of DDR1 RAM. On the ThinkPad forums, it > is often said that $400 or less will buy you a much higher quality older > refurbished (or even sometimes a new old stock or NOS) ThinkPad rather than > the shiny newer faster units of dubious quality. In any event, best of luck > with whatever you choose. To all, take care es... > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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