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Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
 
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I too have heard such comments. My fervent hope is that someday someone will write a piece of SDR software that quantifies such things by callsign during a contest, and then posts the results to a web site afterward. I'm pretty certain that it's technically feasible right now to do so, at least for CW. Isolate a callsign just like CW Skimmer does when decoding text, and then look for surrounding bursts of spectral energy that track the main signal. Dave AB7E On 9/13/2012 4:00 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that the phase > noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an asset because > they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations had to stay > away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I don't know how many > other big guns share this philosophy but my acquaintance can't be the only one. > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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In reply to this post by Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy-3
One was a K3, not sure of the others. Some no-name Y/K/I types.
matt On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:00:53 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Matt, > >Interesting that the other stations whose phase noise pestered you, did not >sense the presence of the K3's strong signal as the result of reciprocal >mixing in their receivers. Can you recall the model or models of >transceiver the others were using? > >73, >Geoff >LX2AO > > >On September 13, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > > ><snip> > >> Now - I KNEW better, but I went around to the other stations when they >> were operating on same bands as the CW station (Dave at the key, were >> at the computer). They weren't hearing us AT ALL and didn't even know >> we were on the same band! Except for our roving spotter with a >> broadband panadapter who could see my K3 but not hear it. No key >> clicks from us, but of course you could hear them all over the band(s) >> from remote stations. > ><snip> Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 9/13/2012 4:20 PM, Rick Bates wrote:
> And peanut sized brains like most other dinosaurs... I don't think alligators are related to or descended from dinosaurs, but then I graduated in Math not Zoology. Shameless plug for CQP follows, 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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On 9/13/2012 4:00 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that the phase > noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an asset because > they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations had to stay > away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I I believe that people like this should be publicly identified. This is poor sportsmanship at its worst, certainly no better than any other form of cheating. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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It's been going on for years. Back in the 70's it was an open secret
that some big-gun contesters would intentionally overdrive their amplifiers whenever they needed to clear out nearby QRM. Alan N1AL On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 20:57 -0700, Jim Brown wrote: > On 9/13/2012 4:00 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that the phase > > noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an asset because > > they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations had to stay > > away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I > > I believe that people like this should be publicly identified. This is > poor sportsmanship at its worst, certainly no better than any other form > of cheating. > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10
This is very non-representative of contesters in general. Look how many are buying
click-free K3's! On 9/13/2012 8:57 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 9/13/2012 4:00 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that the phase >> noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an asset because >> they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations had to stay >> away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I > > I believe that people like this should be publicly identified. This is > poor sportsmanship at its worst, certainly no better than any other form > of cheating. > > 73, Jim K9YC -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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In reply to this post by alorona
Very few in my fairly broad acquaintance. I've been contesting for half a
century and have belonged at times to PVRC, Murphys and NCCC. /Rick N6XI On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Al Lorona <[hidden email]> wrote: > I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that the > phase > noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an asset > because > they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations had to > stay > away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I don't know > how many > other big guns share this philosophy but my acquaintance can't be the only > one. > > Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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In reply to this post by Vic Rosenthal
*I have often suspected this happens. Some of the dirtiest signals found on
the band are contest stations we hear in VK from EU regions. Maybe we should make it 59 for good, 19 for bad...:-) 73 * On 14 September 2012 14:51, Vic K2VCO <[hidden email]> wrote: > This is very non-representative of contesters in general. Look how many > are buying > click-free K3's! > > On 9/13/2012 8:57 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 9/13/2012 4:00 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that > the phase > >> noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an asset > because > >> they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations had > to stay > >> away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I > > > > I believe that people like this should be publicly identified. This is > > poor sportsmanship at its worst, certainly no better than any other form > > of cheating. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > -- > Vic, K2VCO > Fresno CA > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- *Gary* *Start the day off slow, then taper off.........* K3 #679 KPA500FT #18 KAT500FT 007 P3 #1629 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
On 2012-09-13 20:21, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> > Matt Zilmer wrote >> >> Phase noise and key clicks are the enemy. I respectfully suggest that >> Wayne emphasize (as well) that designing a transceiver to >> intentionally not produce either of these is a worthy objective more >> on a moral plane than an operating advantage. Tactically, having >> clicks and wideband noise could be put to advantage against other FD >> groups. >> > > Regarding your last sentence, to my knowledge, Elecraft is the ONLY > manufacturer who does not allow adjustment of CW Rise/Fall time (Ten-Tec, > Yaesu and possibly others do). Adjusting this time to less than ~5ms can > cause clicks which, as you said above, can be useful in contests to keep > others away from your run frequency. > > Kudos to Wayne for not allowing the user to adjust this parameter and > therefore keeping our K3s cleaner than other rigs. > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > then 5ms. Sure beats me why Elecraft can´t allow this. 73 Jim SM2EKM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10
On 2012-09-13 20:46, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 9/12/2012 9:18 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> The main real-world problem is that the K3 is a minority in the >> general ham rig population. Maybe someday, the K3 penetration rate >> will be high enough that we can hear it in how quiet the bands are. >> Crowded but quiet between signals that is. > > Yes, BUT -- considering the number of active contesters in the world > (study the results of major contests), I'd say that Elecraft has been > achieving pretty good penetration. If I'm not mistaken, I've seen serial > numbers in the 7,000 range, and we know that they started at #1 and > didn't skip any. It's also gotten to the point where experienced > DXpeditioners would rather drag their own K3s through airports than > accept freebies from Icom or Yaesu. > > More important, it's REAL easy to see the difference between a clean rig > and a dirty one on a P3, and every season I see a greater proportion of > clean ones! It's gotten to the point that, at least here on the West > Coast, a dirty signal stands out like a sore thumb! > > 73, Jim K9YC > FT-1000MP´s and crap ICOM transmitters, they will be around for many years to come. Frankly I can not see any "K3 impact" on the bands, at least not from my horizon in Europe. /Jim SM2EKM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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In reply to this post by alorona
On 2012-09-14 01:00, Al Lorona wrote:
> I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that the phase > noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an asset because > they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations had to stay > away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I don't know how many > other big guns share this philosophy but my acquaintance can't be the only one. > > Al W6LX > Nothing new under the sun. It´s been around for decades. There are even contest stations that puts their amplifiers in class C on SSB and I´m not talking about small amps but things in the 5 - 10 kW region. / Jim SM2EKM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I just bought a new K3/100F this month and the Ser# is 6730 FYI.
Fred/N0AZZ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:47 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks On 9/12/2012 9:18 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > The main real-world problem is that the K3 is a minority in the > general ham rig population. Maybe someday, the K3 penetration rate > will be high enough that we can hear it in how quiet the bands are. > Crowded but quiet between signals that is. Yes, BUT -- considering the number of active contesters in the world (study the results of major contests), I'd say that Elecraft has been achieving pretty good penetration. If I'm not mistaken, I've seen serial numbers in the 7,000 range, and we know that they started at #1 and didn't skip any. It's also gotten to the point where experienced DXpeditioners would rather drag their own K3s through airports than accept freebies from Icom or Yaesu. More important, it's REAL easy to see the difference between a clean rig and a dirty one on a P3, and every season I see a greater proportion of clean ones! It's gotten to the point that, at least here on the West Coast, a dirty signal stands out like a sore thumb! 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10
Jim
If you look at any major DXpeditions and pay close attention over 80% of all the radios are supplied by manufactures as well as most of the equipment. Like Swains and the IC-7600, Elecraft amps and so on. Usually it's Elecraft for one major reason weight vs. performance a excellent comparison weight being important shipping costs, air, ship whatever then carrying them to where they are going to be used. Two radios in the same class FTDX-5000MP top notch receiver and performance proven worldwide at 18"x 8 1/2"x19 1/2" and weighting 50# and only 120v then the K3 about 10 3/4'x4'x10' and weighting about 10# and 12v. This in itself is a huge factor in the selection the sheer size of the two and Elecraft does supply radios to most who request them. I personally appealed Elecraft for the support they give to them I'm sure that along with good antenna donors for just two of many that have helped me to add many "new Ones" to my DXCC count and contributed in my decision to go with Elecraft equipment in my shack. I am not 100% Elecraft "ONLY" like some, but they don't have a few things that others offer or that I like so for now only (6) Elecraft items including 3 radios 2 K3/100's a P3/SVGA and a K2. And all of this came about because of a friend who will remain un-named that cost me all this money when I was happy without anything Elecraft(8-) 73 & Good DX, Fred/N0AZZ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:47 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks On 9/12/2012 9:18 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > The main real-world problem is that the K3 is a minority in the > general ham rig population. Maybe someday, the K3 penetration rate > will be high enough that we can hear it in how quiet the bands are. > Crowded but quiet between signals that is. Yes, BUT -- considering the number of active contesters in the world (study the results of major contests), I'd say that Elecraft has been achieving pretty good penetration. If I'm not mistaken, I've seen serial numbers in the 7,000 range, and we know that they started at #1 and didn't skip any. It's also gotten to the point where experienced DXpeditioners would rather drag their own K3s through airports than accept freebies from Icom or Yaesu. More important, it's REAL easy to see the difference between a clean rig and a dirty one on a P3, and every season I see a greater proportion of clean ones! It's gotten to the point that, at least here on the West Coast, a dirty signal stands out like a sore thumb! 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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No ears "NO WIN"!
73, Fred/N0AZZ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:08 PM To: Al Lorona Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks There will always be "alligators" - big mouth, small ears. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/13/2012 7:00 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt that > the phase noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were > an asset because they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since > other stations had to stay away. He felt no motivation at all to clean > up his signal. I don't know how many other big guns share this philosophy but my acquaintance can't be the only one. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Gary Gregory
I am not a contester but I work "EVERY" contest as a bottom feeder looking
for band and mode countries sometimes not often a new one. This had been only for the last 5 years and I have failed to notice any widespread use of this going of even a few in fact but I only work SSB VHF-160m contests. But using the CW readers I have saw very little of this going on maybe I'm just in the wrong band at the wrong time. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:38 AM To: Vic K2VCO Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks *I have often suspected this happens. Some of the dirtiest signals found on the band are contest stations we hear in VK from EU regions. Maybe we should make it 59 for good, 19 for bad...:-) 73 * On 14 September 2012 14:51, Vic K2VCO <[hidden email]> wrote: > This is very non-representative of contesters in general. Look how > many are buying click-free K3's! > > On 9/13/2012 8:57 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 9/13/2012 4:00 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> I once spoke to a nationally-known, "Big Gun" contester who felt > >> that > the phase > >> noise and key click sidebands generated by his station were an > >> asset > because > >> they cleared a "guard band" around his signal since other stations > >> had > to stay > >> away. He felt no motivation at all to clean up his signal. I > > > > I believe that people like this should be publicly identified. This > > is poor sportsmanship at its worst, certainly no better than any > > other form of cheating. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > -- > Vic, K2VCO > Fresno CA > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- *Gary* *Start the day off slow, then taper off.........* K3 #679 KPA500FT #18 KAT500FT 007 P3 #1629 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [K3] Phase Noise / CW Key Clicks
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In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10
Nothing is to stop anyone from scanning the bands during a cw or ssb contest and publically post info about wide/spurious/clicky/splattering/etc signals. Frankly, I'm surprised that nobody does. Barry N1EU |
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On 9/14/2012 1:23 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
> Nothing new under the sun. It´s been around for decades. There are even > contest stations that puts their amplifiers in class C on SSB and I´m > not talking about small amps but things in the 5 - 10 kW region. These guys are much closer to EU than to me in CA, so we don't hear their trash. As long as cheaters like this are allowed to continue without public exposure, they will continue. I don't understand why those EU contesters who play by the rules don't expose them. They must make life absolutely miserable for you. When I hear really dirty signals on the air, I DO spot them with that note, But I enter a wrong frequency so that they won't benefit from the spot. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Jan Erik Holm-2
I don't doubt that at all, but to be bluntly honest, if you have first hand knowledge of such cases why don't you publicly identify them??? Hams are their own worst enemy by keeping silent about known cheating and general bad behavior. In my opinion, the person who does not speak out becomes a sideline enabler. So much for amateur radio being a self-policing hobby ... Dave AB7E On 9/14/2012 1:23 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: > > > Nothing new under the sun. It´s been around for decades. There are even > contest stations that puts their amplifiers in class C on SSB and I´m > not talking about small amps but things in the 5 - 10 kW region. > > / Jim SM2EKM > > > _ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Jan Erik Holm-2
Why?? Elecraft uses a pretty effective waveform shaping algorithm in the K3 that produces almost no key clicks just the way it is with a short rise/fall time (about 2.5 msec if I remember correctly). What would be gained by increasing it, and why would you want people to be able to mess with something that works as well as it does? I'm euphoric that Elecraft doesn't allow it to be adjusted. Dave AB7E On 9/14/2012 1:10 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: > I would like to see the CW Rise/Fall time adjustable to a higher value > then 5ms. Sure beats me why Elecraft can´t allow this. > > 73 Jim SM2EKM > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Barry N1EU
I guess you don't read the 3830 reports then. I don't scan the bands looking for bad signals because I spend my time contesting instead, but I always jot down the callsigns of the really bad signals I find and I highlight the worst of them in my 3830 report. I've seen others do the same, although it would certainly help if everyone did. Dave AB7E On 9/14/2012 6:47 AM, Barry N1EU wrote: > Nothing is to stop anyone from scanning the bands during a cw or ssb contest > and publically post info about wide/spurious/clicky/splattering/etc signals. > Frankly, I'm surprised that nobody does. > > Barry N1EU > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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