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Ed Lambert-2

K3 Positions

I note that several potential K3 owners have cancelled their orders.

Does Elecraft have a position on sale of these delivery positions to third
parties?

I, for one, would be interested.

Ed Lambert, KD3Y

KX1 1492

K2 1999

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Craig Rairdin

RE: K3 Positions

Just pay the owner directly and have them ship the unit to you when it
comes. There's no need for Elecraft to be involved.

I think it's nuts to just cancel your order when there are people here who
would pay a premium for your position. Put it on eBay. I for one would be
interested to see what it would go for.

On the other hand, the other thing I think is nuts is to sell your position.
These radios are shipping, albeit slowly, and the rate at which they're
shipping is ramping up. The same argument applies to why it would be silly
to pay a premium to get one "early". They're going to be shipping at a
pretty fast pace a month from now. The next thing you know they're going to
be caught up and you'll be able to get one within a few days of placing an
order. But if you want one now and can get one from someone who ordered
before Dayton, you're going to have it pretty darned quick. Even the Dayton
orders should be shipping pretty soon.

Nobody's mentioned it, but non-K3 orders seem to be moving through Elecraft
at a normal pace. I've ordered some K3 add-ons and they shipped the next day
just as one would expect.

Craig
NZ0R
K3/100 #25

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Positions

I note that several potential K3 owners have cancelled their orders.

Does Elecraft have a position on sale of these delivery positions to third
parties?

I, for one, would be interested.

Ed Lambert, KD3Y

KX1 1492

K2 1999

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Thom LaCosta

RE: K3 Positions

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Craig Rairdin wrote:

> Just pay the owner directly and have them ship the unit to you when it
> comes. There's no need for Elecraft to be involved.

Ah....what about warranty issues?

Also, if the person with the original order paid via one of the credit cards
that doubles the warranty, will that be lost?

>
> I think it's nuts to just cancel your order when there are people here who
> would pay a premium for your position. Put it on eBay. I for one would be
> interested to see what it would go for.

If I were to sell off my K3, which hasn't shown up yet, I would:

A. Ask Elecraft if I sold it to person x, either before or after shipment, would
they honor the warranty.
B. If they say yes, I would then ask the credit card company if the extended
warranty could be transfered.
C. If the credit card company says yes...then I would market it as a brand new
K3, factory assembled, with two-year warranty.

>
> On the other hand, the other thing I think is nuts is to sell your position.

But no one knows if Elecraft would honor the sale of a position.

73 k3hrn
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k6dgw

Re: K3 Positions

In reply to this post by Ed Lambert-2

Ed Lambert wrote:

> Does Elecraft have a position on sale of these delivery positions to third
> parties?

You know you've arrived in the marketplace when positions in the queue
for the original product you sell become salable commodities themselves
-- "K3-backed Securities?"

Off to ARRL 10.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Craig Rairdin

RE: K3 Positions - Warranty

In reply to this post by Thom LaCosta

The Elecraft warranty isn't specific to the purchaser. It's a one-year
warranty from date shipped from the factory. It applies to the radio, not to
the radio in the hands of the original owner. I'm not a lawyer but I can't
find anything in Song Beverly (CA) or Magnuson-Moss (US) that would indicate
that the warranty terminates when the item is sold. In fact, it appears the
warranty applies to the merchandise for a particular period of time unless
it states that it applies only to the original purchaser.

If the original order was placed by a credit card that doubled the warranty
and the original purchaser sells the radio, why would he care if the double
warranty was lost? If the new purchaser thinks a two-year warranty is
important, then he should take that into consideration. The reason why
credit card companies give away double warranties is because they never have
to pay them (or they do so seldom that it doesn't matter). I wouldn't let
that stand in the way of getting a K3 next week instead of next year.

Remember you're not really selling your position, you're selling your radio
after you get it. Again, Elecraft doesn't need to be involved.

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Thom LaCosta [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:23 AM
To: Craig Rairdin
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Positions

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Craig Rairdin wrote:

> Just pay the owner directly and have them ship the unit to you when it
> comes. There's no need for Elecraft to be involved.

Ah....what about warranty issues?

Also, if the person with the original order paid via one of the credit cards

that doubles the warranty, will that be lost?

>
> I think it's nuts to just cancel your order when there are people here who
> would pay a premium for your position. Put it on eBay. I for one would be
> interested to see what it would go for.

If I were to sell off my K3, which hasn't shown up yet, I would:

A. Ask Elecraft if I sold it to person x, either before or after shipment,
would
they honor the warranty.
B. If they say yes, I would then ask the credit card company if the extended
warranty could be transfered.
C. If the credit card company says yes...then I would market it as a brand
new
K3, factory assembled, with two-year warranty.

>
> On the other hand, the other thing I think is nuts is to sell your
position.

But no one knows if Elecraft would honor the sale of a position.

73 k3hrn
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.hank.

Re: K3 Positions - Warranty

Craig Rairdin wrote:
> The Elecraft warranty isn't specific to the purchaser.

I'm not sure about that ...... From the "Repair and Warranty
Information" page:

"Elecraft's 1-Year Limited Warranty*
* This warranty is effective as of the date of first consumer purchase
(or if shipped from factory, date product is shipped to customer). It
covers both our kits and fully assembled products. For kits, before
requesting warranty service, you should fully complete the assembly,
carefully following all instructions in the manual."

First consumer purchase would indicate that the warranty does not go
with the radio.

73 Hank K8DD

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Craig Rairdin

RE: K3 Positions - Warranty

Like I said, I'm not a lawyer. But I can read the English language fairly
well. The first sentence gives the date when the warranty goes into effect:
The date of first consumer purchase (or the date the product is shipped to
the customer). So if I buy the radio and it ships to me on January 1, the
1-year warranty begins on January 1. If I sell it to you on January 5, it
doesn't change anything about the effective date of the warranty.

The fact that the "first consumer purchase" is mentioned has to be read in
context: We're talking about when the warranty takes effect, not who it
covers. Again, the semantics of the English language apply.

The only possible confusion would be over the next paragraph ("What is
covered"). In that paragraph it says the "purchaser" pays the inbound
shipping. That would imply the original purchaser I would think. Again, it's
not saying the radio is only covered while it's owned by the original
purchaser, it's just saying the "purchaser" pays the inbound shipping. The
confusing part is that in the case of Alaska, Hawaii and outside the US and
Canada the return shipping cost is paid by the "owner" -- who could be
different than the "purchaser".

I would interpret this to mean that Elecraft doesn't pay for the inbound
shipping, nor will they pay for outbound shipping outside the continental US
and Canada. The fact that they use "purchaser" and "owner" synonymously
indicates to me that they're not trying to identify the *original* purchaser
but rather they're refering generically to the person who is returning the
radio for repair.

And again, it's not talking about who is covered, it's talking about who
pays the shipping.

So like I said, the warranty is not a contract between Elecraft and the
original purchaser. It's a warranty on the goods sold by Elecraft. It's good
for one year and it applies to all kits and factory-built units. It covers
defective parts and materials, but doesn't cover any shipping except
outbound shipping in the continental US and Canada.

IANAL, YMMV, FWIW, caveat emptor, ad valorem, ad nauseum.

Craig
NZ0R

-----Original Message-----
From: hank k8dd [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:38 PM
To: Craig Rairdin
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Positions - Warranty

Craig Rairdin wrote:
> The Elecraft warranty isn't specific to the purchaser.

I'm not sure about that ...... From the "Repair and Warranty
Information" page:

"Elecraft's 1-Year Limited Warranty*
* This warranty is effective as of the date of first consumer purchase
(or if shipped from factory, date product is shipped to customer). It
covers both our kits and fully assembled products. For kits, before
requesting warranty service, you should fully complete the assembly,
carefully following all instructions in the manual."

First consumer purchase would indicate that the warranty does not go
with the radio.

73 Hank K8DD

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Thom LaCosta

RE: K3 Positions - Warranty

In reply to this post by Craig Rairdin

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Craig Rairdin wrote:

>
> Remember you're not really selling your position, you're selling your radio
> after you get it. Again, Elecraft doesn't need to be involved.

When, and if, Elecraft states that they would honor the warranty for radio x
shipped to cutomer a, who sold it to customer b, then I'd believe it.

73 - k3hrn
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KBG Luxford

Re: K3 Positions

In reply to this post by k6dgw

Perhaps we should term them, "K3 Derivatives."
73
Kevin
VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

Fred Jensen wrote:

> You know you've arrived in the marketplace when positions in the queue
> for the original product you sell become salable commodities themselves
> -- "K3-backed Securities?"
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 Positions - Warranty

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In reply to this post by Thom LaCosta

We will warranty the K3 for its normal period, regardless of the owner. :-)

But we will need confirmation for the original purchaser that they have
sold the radio when we get a request from a new owner for warranty service.

73, Eric WA6HHQ
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====

Thom LaCosta wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Craig Rairdin wrote:
>> Remember you're not really selling your position, you're selling your
>> radio
>> after you get it. Again, Elecraft doesn't need to be involved.
> When, and if, Elecraft states that they would honor the warranty for
> radio x shipped to cutomer a, who sold it to customer b, then I'd
> believe it.
>
> 73 - k3hrn
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Craig Rairdin

RE: K3 Positions - Warranty

That's a good protection against theft.

I have a friend who puts a sticker inside all his computer and radio
equipment that has his name, address, and phone and it says, "I service all
my own equipment. If you've been asked to repair this item please call me
immediately."

Craig
NZ0R

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:35 PM
To: Thom LaCosta
Cc: Craig Rairdin; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Positions - Warranty

We will warranty the K3 for its normal period, regardless of the owner. :-)

But we will need confirmation for the original purchaser that they have
sold the radio when we get a request from a new owner for warranty service.

73, Eric WA6HHQ
Elecraft
====

Thom LaCosta wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Craig Rairdin wrote:
>> Remember you're not really selling your position, you're selling your
>> radio
>> after you get it. Again, Elecraft doesn't need to be involved.
> When, and if, Elecraft states that they would honor the warranty for
> radio x shipped to cutomer a, who sold it to customer b, then I'd
> believe it.
>
> 73 - k3hrn

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Larry Putman

Re: K3 Positions - Warranty

In reply to this post by Craig Rairdin

Maybe Thom will be happy now and craw back into a Crab Trap!

Larry Putman

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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:24:07 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Positions - Warranty

This is a "stand up" company and these are two stand
up guys. I expected no less - but quite elated to read
it in print.

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We will warranty the K3 for its normal period,
regardless of the owner. :-)

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PaulF

K3 Filters for the 2nd receiver?

I plan to use a K3 primarily for DXing. I want the second receiver
option so I can listen for clear spots and stations working the DX in
split operations.

For this usage, can you see any reasons to add additional filters to
the second receiver?

73,
Paul
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Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO

Re: K3 Filters for the 2nd receiver?

If I understand what I think you are saying... The 2nd receiver is completely
independent and doesn't use the filters (or anything else) in the primary
receiver. Each receiver has its own dedicated roofing filters (up to five).
You populate the filters in the 2nd receiver according to how you plan to use
it (just as you do for the primary receiver). Like the primary receiver, the
2nd receiver will come equipped by default with the 2.7 kHz 5-pole roofing
filter, and you can replace this filter with another and/or add additional
filters.

Bill W5WVO

Paul Ferguson wrote:

> I plan to use a K3 primarily for DXing. I want the second receiver
> option so I can listen for clear spots and stations working the DX in
> split operations.
>
> For this usage, can you see any reasons to add additional filters to
> the second receiver?
>
> 73,
> Paul
> K5ESW
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w0mu

Re: K3 Filters for the 2nd receiver?

In reply to this post by PaulF

Yes.

You will want some type of ssb and cw filter IMHO.

On 12/12/07 1:19 PM, "Paul Ferguson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

w0mu

Re: K3 Filters for the 2nd receiver?

In reply to this post by Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO

I had the impression the 2nd receiver had no filters at all.

I had intended to put in a 2.7k 1000 and 400 filters in the 2nd receiver.

I also wanted to be able to operate FM and was going to put the FM filter in
the 2nd receiver. Will this work?

The main receiver was going to have the 200, 400, 1000, 1.8 and 2.7 filters.

Mike W0MU

On 12/12/07 2:05 PM, "Bill W5WVO" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If I understand what I think you are saying... The 2nd receiver is completely
> independent and doesn't use the filters (or anything else) in the primary
> receiver. Each receiver has its own dedicated roofing filters (up to five).
> You populate the filters in the 2nd receiver according to how you plan to use
> it (just as you do for the primary receiver). Like the primary receiver, the
> 2nd receiver will come equipped by default with the 2.7 kHz 5-pole roofing
> filter, and you can replace this filter with another and/or add additional
> filters.
>
> Bill W5WVO
>
>
> Paul Ferguson wrote:
>> I plan to use a K3 primarily for DXing. I want the second receiver
>> option so I can listen for clear spots and stations working the DX in
>> split operations.
>>
>> For this usage, can you see any reasons to add additional filters to
>> the second receiver?
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul
>> K5ESW
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 Filters for the 2nd receiver?

Mike,

To transmit FM you will need the FM filter in the main receiver (it will
also be used for transmit).
I would suggest that you re-examine your filters in the main receiver.
If you will not operate digital modes, you can likely do without the 200
Hz filter. If the 200 Hz filter must stay, then I would suggest you
eliminate the 1000 Hz filter unless you are a CW contest type that likes
to listen with a wide receiver - during normal operating, your 1.8 kHz
filter in conjunction with the DSP filtering should work just fine.
OTOH, if you do not operate a lot of sideband contests, the 1.8 kHz
filte could go and the 1000 Hz can stay.

These are only my suggestions, choose your filters to match your
operating preferences. The DSP will handle reduced bandwidths just fine
until an offending S-9 +30 signal appears within the roofing filter
bandpass. That will likely only occur during contests or other times
of intense operating activities. With the 2nd receiver, one could
always put the in-between filter widths there and switch to receiving
with the 2nd receiver when the additional filtering is needed. In other
words, the FM filter, the 2.7kHz, the 1000 Hz, 400 Hz and 200 Hz in the
main receiver and 2.7kHz, 1.8 kHz, 1000, and either 400 or 200 in the
2nd receiver - or something like those combinations, it is all up to you.

73,
Don W3FPR

Mike Fatchett W0MU wrote:

> I had the impression the 2nd receiver had no filters at all.
>
> I had intended to put in a 2.7k 1000 and 400 filters in the 2nd receiver.
>
> I also wanted to be able to operate FM and was going to put the FM filter in
> the 2nd receiver. Will this work?
>
> The main receiver was going to have the 200, 400, 1000, 1.8 and 2.7 filters.
>
>

w0mu

Re: K3 Filters for the 2nd receiver?

I was afraid of that....

I want the rig to do it all HI!

I can probably do without the FM in this rig then.

I am into RTYY, PSK, CW and SSB contesting. Ok I have no life.....

Thanks for the insight.

Mike

On 12/12/07 4:26 PM, "Don Wilhelm" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> To transmit FM you will need the FM filter in the main receiver (it will
> also be used for transmit).
> I would suggest that you re-examine your filters in the main receiver.
> If you will not operate digital modes, you can likely do without the 200
> Hz filter. If the 200 Hz filter must stay, then I would suggest you
> eliminate the 1000 Hz filter unless you are a CW contest type that likes
> to listen with a wide receiver - during normal operating, your 1.8 kHz
> filter in conjunction with the DSP filtering should work just fine.
> OTOH, if you do not operate a lot of sideband contests, the 1.8 kHz
> filte could go and the 1000 Hz can stay.
>
> These are only my suggestions, choose your filters to match your
> operating preferences. The DSP will handle reduced bandwidths just fine
> until an offending S-9 +30 signal appears within the roofing filter
> bandpass. That will likely only occur during contests or other times
> of intense operating activities. With the 2nd receiver, one could
> always put the in-between filter widths there and switch to receiving
> with the 2nd receiver when the additional filtering is needed. In other
> words, the FM filter, the 2.7kHz, the 1000 Hz, 400 Hz and 200 Hz in the
> main receiver and 2.7kHz, 1.8 kHz, 1000, and either 400 or 200 in the
> 2nd receiver - or something like those combinations, it is all up to you.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Mike Fatchett W0MU wrote:
>> I had the impression the 2nd receiver had no filters at all.
>>
>> I had intended to put in a 2.7k 1000 and 400 filters in the 2nd receiver.
>>
>> I also wanted to be able to operate FM and was going to put the FM filter in
>> the 2nd receiver. Will this work?
>>
>> The main receiver was going to have the 200, 400, 1000, 1.8 and 2.7 filters.
>>
>>

Alan Bloom

Re: K3 Filters for the 2nd receiver?

In reply to this post by w0mu

My solution was to order just one $79 500 Hz CW filter for now. When
the variable-bandwidth CW filter becomes available I will install it in
the main receiver and move the 500-Hz filter to the second receiver
(when it becomes available).

So the main receiver lineup will be:

- 0.4-0.8 variable CW
- 1.5-2.2 variable SSB
- 2.7 SSB (stock)
- 6.0 AM
- 15 FM

Second receiver:

- 0.5 CW
- 2.7 SSB (stock)

Seems like the most bang for the buck.

Al N1AL

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:53, Mike Fatchett W0MU wrote:

> Yes.
>
> You will want some type of ssb and cw filter IMHO.
>
>
> On 12/12/07 1:19 PM, "Paul Ferguson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I plan to use a K3 primarily for DXing. I want the second receiver
> > option so I can listen for clear spots and stations working the DX in
> > split operations.
> >
> > For this usage, can you see any reasons to add additional filters to
> > the second receiver?
> >
> > 73,
> > Paul
> > K5ESW