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K3 QRP output power level

Richard Haendel
Hello all,

I am confused about the output level of the K3. What is the output power
level of the 10 Watt version of the K3?. Is it the same on all bands? Do I
have to reduce the output below 10 watts to avoid poor transmit intermod on
SSB?  I am asking this because I use my present K2 QRP radio to feed a
modified Toyko HP amplifier and I sure would like to get the same power
output when I use a QRP K3.  Any comments?

Thanks in advance
Rich W3ACO

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RE: K3 QRP output power level

Dick Dievendorff
The owner's manual spec page says that the output power of the 10-watt
version of the K3 is anywhere from 0.1 to 12 Watts.

The power output of the K3 can be remembered per band if you choose the
"PER-BAND" value of the K3 config menu "PWR SET" setting.  In "NOR" the
power level on each band follows the present setting of the power control.
See page 55 of the K3 owner's manual revision D-1.

Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 QRP output power level

Hello all,

I am confused about the output level of the K3. What is the output power
level of the 10 Watt version of the K3?. Is it the same on all bands? Do I
have to reduce the output below 10 watts to avoid poor transmit intermod on
SSB?  I am asking this because I use my present K2 QRP radio to feed a
modified Toyko HP amplifier and I sure would like to get the same power
output when I use a QRP K3.  Any comments?

Thanks in advance
Rich W3ACO

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K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Frank R. Oppedijk
Hi,

I've just installed my KRX3. All went okay. Although I do have a KAT3
installed, I chose the subreceiver's alternative antenna to be the BNC one.

If I've understood correctly, pressing BSET followed by ANT allowes
me to switch the subreceiver's input between the main receiver's
antenna and the BNC antenna. But, irrespective of whether I've
selected MAIN or AUX, the subreceiver always uses the AUX antenna.

Any clues as to what could be wrong?

73,

Frank PA4N



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Re: K3 QRP output power level

Don Wilhelm-4
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Rich,

The K3 output power is equal to or greater than the K2, so you should
not have a problem.  In addition, the K3 offers the ability to remember
a power setting for each band, and that would likely be helpful when
driving your amplifier.

73,
Don W3FPR

Richard Haendel wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am confused about the output level of the K3. What is the output power
> level of the 10 Watt version of the K3?. Is it the same on all bands? Do I
> have to reduce the output below 10 watts to avoid poor transmit intermod on
> SSB?  I am asking this because I use my present K2 QRP radio to feed a
> modified Toyko HP amplifier and I sure would like to get the same power
> output when I use a QRP K3.  Any comments?
>  
>
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Barry N1EU
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In your config menu, did you set KRX3 ANT=BNC?  When you press BSET
ANT, do you see the displayed antenna change to AUX?

73,
Barry N1EU


>I've just installed my KRX3. All went okay. Although I do have a KAT3
installed, I chose the subreceiver's alternative antenna to be the BNC one.

If I've understood correctly, pressing BSET followed by ANT allowes
me to switch the subreceiver's input between the main receiver's
antenna and the BNC antenna. But, irrespective of whether I've
selected MAIN or AUX, the subreceiver always uses the AUX antenna.
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Barry N1EU
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Frank R. Oppedijk wrote
Hi,

I've just installed my KRX3. I chose the subreceiver's alternative antenna to be the BNC one.

If I've understood correctly, pressing BSET followed by ANT allowes
me to switch the subreceiver's input between the main receiver's
antenna and the BNC antenna. But, irrespective of whether I've
selected MAIN or AUX, the subreceiver always uses the AUX antenna.
Sorry, I missed the fact that it's the MAIN antenna that won't connect to your subreceiver.  I assume you alternately see "MAIN" and "AUX" displayed when you toggle the BSET ANT switch and even when "MAIN" is displayed, you're certain that you are listening to the AUX antenna.

I'm not sure what the issue is, other than a faulty relay or a mistake in the internal cabling.

73,
Barry N1EU
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RE: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Bruce McLaughlin-2
I believe I was caught with this situation myself.  After you have turned on
the Subreceiver I believe you press BSET followed by the ANT switch until it
shows ANT 1 which, I assume, is your main antenna.  I believe I also set the
configuration menu KRX3 to ANT = BNC followed by a power off and on cycle
before I pressed BSET followed by the ANT switch.

Bruce- W8FU

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Frank R. Oppedijk wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I've just installed my KRX3. I chose the subreceiver's alternative antenna
> to be the BNC one.
>
> If I've understood correctly, pressing BSET followed by ANT allowes
> me to switch the subreceiver's input between the main receiver's
> antenna and the BNC antenna. But, irrespective of whether I've
> selected MAIN or AUX, the subreceiver always uses the AUX antenna.
>
Sorry, I missed the fact that it's the MAIN antenna that won't connect to
your subreceiver.  I assume you alternately see "MAIN" and "AUX" displayed
when you toggle the BSET ANT switch and even when "MAIN" is displayed,
you're certain that you are listening to the AUX antenna.

I'm not sure what the issue is, other than a faulty relay or a mistake in
the internal cabling.

73,
Barry N1EU

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RE: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Bruce McLaughlin-2
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In addition to using BSET, did you also check the configuration menu entry
for KRX3 to be sure it is set to ANT=BNC?  That, along with using BSET and
then the ANT switch to be sure it is using antenna number one, which I
assume is what you are using for your main transmit receive antenna, should
do the trick.

Bruce-W8FU

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the AUX antenna

Hi,

I've just installed my KRX3. All went okay. Although I do have a KAT3
installed, I chose the subreceiver's alternative antenna to be the BNC one.

If I've understood correctly, pressing BSET followed by ANT allowes
me to switch the subreceiver's input between the main receiver's
antenna and the BNC antenna. But, irrespective of whether I've
selected MAIN or AUX, the subreceiver always uses the AUX antenna.

Any clues as to what could be wrong?

73,

Frank PA4N



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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Frank R. Oppedijk
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Barry,

Thanks for your suggestions. Indeed, when I toggle BSET ANT I see
"MAIN" and "AUX" alternately. You mention a possible faulty relay.
Should there be an audible relay click when toggling BSET ANT I
between "MAIN" and "AUX"? When I do that, there is no relay click whatsoever...

73,

Frank PA4N


At 16:18 24/12/2008, Barry N1EU wrote:



>Frank R. Oppedijk wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just installed my KRX3. I chose the subreceiver's alternative antenna
> > to be the BNC one.
> >
> > If I've understood correctly, pressing BSET followed by ANT allowes
> > me to switch the subreceiver's input between the main receiver's
> > antenna and the BNC antenna. But, irrespective of whether I've
> > selected MAIN or AUX, the subreceiver always uses the AUX antenna.
> >
>Sorry, I missed the fact that it's the MAIN antenna that won't connect to
>your subreceiver.  I assume you alternately see "MAIN" and "AUX" displayed
>when you toggle the BSET ANT switch and even when "MAIN" is displayed,
>you're certain that you are listening to the AUX antenna.
>
>I'm not sure what the issue is, other than a faulty relay or a mistake in
>the internal cabling.
>
>73,
>Barry N1EU
>
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Barry N1EU

Frank R. Oppedijk wrote
Should there be an audible relay click when toggling BSET ANT I
between "MAIN" and "AUX"? When I do that, there is no relay click whatsoever...
Yes, there is definitely an audible mechanical click of a relay when you toggle between AUX and MAIN antenna for the subreceiver.

73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

WILLIS COOKE
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The antenna switch is in the KAT3.  If you connect the BNC rather than the coax to the tuner the switching function is not in the circuit.  The switching as it is designed appears to me to be only for the two SO239 connectors.  I installed my BNC connector, but connected the coax that goes to the KAT3.  An option that allows any of the three connectors to be connected by a menu function would be welcomed by me but is not available at this time as  far as I can determine.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ


--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Frank R. Oppedijk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Frank R. Oppedijk <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 6:18 AM
> Hi,
>
> I've just installed my KRX3. All went okay. Although I
> do have a KAT3
> installed, I chose the subreceiver's alternative
> antenna to be the BNC one.
>
> If I've understood correctly, pressing BSET followed by
> ANT allowes
> me to switch the subreceiver's input between the main
> receiver's
> antenna and the BNC antenna. But, irrespective of whether
> I've
> selected MAIN or AUX, the subreceiver always uses the AUX
> antenna.
>
> Any clues as to what could be wrong?
>
> 73,
>
> Frank PA4N
>
>
>
> ---
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Frank R. Oppedijk
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Barry,

Thanks for your information.

Is the mechanical click when switching between MAIN and AUX also if
you have the CONFIG KRX3 set to ANT=BNC, or only when using ANT=ATU ?

According to Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, K5EWJ, the switching is in the
KAT3 only, and the KAT3 is of course out of the circuit when using
the BNC connector as the subreceiver's aux antenna input...

Thanks,

Frank PA4N


At 19:22 24/12/2008, Barry N1EU wrote:



>Frank R. Oppedijk wrote:
> >
> > Should there be an audible relay click when toggling BSET ANT I
> > between "MAIN" and "AUX"? When I do that, there is no relay click
> > whatsoever...
> >
>Yes, there is definitely an audible mechanical click of a relay when you
>toggle between AUX and MAIN antenna for the subreceiver.
>
>73,
>Barry N1EU
>
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Greg - AB7R
I hear a click when KRX3 in CONFIG is set to either ATU or BNC.

BTW, you do not need to use BSET and then ANT to change between Main  
and AUX for the sub receiver.  You can do it with a HOLD of the RX ANT  
button too.

73 and Merry Christmas
Greg
AB7R


On Dec 24, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Frank R. Oppedijk wrote:

> Barry,
>
> Thanks for your information.
>
> Is the mechanical click when switching between MAIN and AUX also if  
> you have the CONFIG KRX3 set to ANT=BNC, or only when using ANT=ATU ?
>
> According to Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, K5EWJ, the switching is in the  
> KAT3 only, and the KAT3 is of course out of the circuit when using  
> the BNC connector as the subreceiver's aux antenna input...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank PA4N
>
>
> At 19:22 24/12/2008, Barry N1EU wrote:
>
>
>
>> Frank R. Oppedijk wrote:
>> >
>> > Should there be an audible relay click when toggling BSET ANT I
>> > between "MAIN" and "AUX"? When I do that, there is no relay click
>> > whatsoever...
>> >
>> Yes, there is definitely an audible mechanical click of a relay  
>> when you
>> toggle between AUX and MAIN antenna for the subreceiver.
>>
>> 73,
>> Barry N1EU
>>
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Barry N1EU
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Frank R. Oppedijk wrote
Is the mechanical click when switching between MAIN and AUX also if
you have the CONFIG KRX3 set to ANT=BNC, or only when using ANT=ATU ?

According to Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, K5EWJ, the switching is in the
KAT3 only, and the KAT3 is of course out of the circuit when using
the BNC connector as the subreceiver's aux antenna input...
If you study the document at http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_Antenna_Routing.pdf  you'll clearly see that the switching of K1 (Main/Aux) has nothing to do with KAT3.  KAT3 only switches between Ant1/Ant2, which doesn't concern you.

73, Barry N1EU
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Frank R. Oppedijk
Thanks to all people who responded on and off-list to my questions.
I've looked at the K3 schematics and have come to the conclusion that
the problem most probably is that the digital signal driving the
subreceiver's MAIN/AUX relay isn't arriving at the subreceiver. I'm
going to check the subin ans subout boards to see whether all pins
are connected okay.

Merry christmas to everybody!

73,

Frank PA4N


At 01:15 25/12/2008, Barry N1EU wrote:



>Frank R. Oppedijk wrote:
> >
> > Is the mechanical click when switching between MAIN and AUX also if
> > you have the CONFIG KRX3 set to ANT=BNC, or only when using ANT=ATU ?
> >
> > According to Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, K5EWJ, the switching is in the
> > KAT3 only, and the KAT3 is of course out of the circuit when using
> > the BNC connector as the subreceiver's aux antenna input...
> >
>If you study the document at
>http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_Antenna_Routing.pdf  you'll clearly see that
>the switching of K1 (Main/Aux) has nothing to do with KAT3.  KAT3 only
>switches between Ant1/Ant2, which doesn't concern you.
>
>73, Barry N1EU
>
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Mike K2MK
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Hi Frank:

I think I have your answer. Try this.

Turn the SUB on
Don't press BSET
Hold RX ANT

You should alternately see MAIN and AUX as you hold the RX ANT button. Now
hold BSET. When the display changes it will tell you which antenna is on
your sub receiver. It will be either MAIN or AUX as you left it when you
changed it with BSET off.

Maybe it's a bug in the code. The sub antenna can be changed from the main
display only not from the BSET display.

73,
Mike K2MK




> Re: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the
> AUX antenna
> Frank R. Oppedijk
> Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:30:32 -0800
>
> Thanks to all people who responded on and off-list to my questions. I've
> looked at the K3 schematics and have come to the conclusion that the
> problem most probably is that the digital signal driving the subreceiver's
> MAIN/AUX relay isn't arriving at the subreceiver. I'm going to check the
> subin ans subout boards to see whether all pins are connected okay.
>
> Merry christmas to everybody!
>
> 73,
>
> Frank PA4N

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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Barry N1EU
K2MK wrote
Maybe it's a bug in the code. The sub antenna can be changed from the main
display only not from the BSET display.
The sub antenna can definitely be changed from the BSET display by toggle pushing the ANT button.

73/MX,
Barry N1EU
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Re: K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the AUX antenna

Mike K2MK
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Hi Barry:

Yes I just re-read Frank's original posting. I was using the wrong button.
Thanks for the clarification. I just confirmed that on my K3 the RX ANT
button changes the sub receiver antenna when in the main display and the ANT
button changes the sub receiver button when in the BSET display.

So Frank's problem in BSET is unique to his K3.

Mike K2MK



Re: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always uses the
AUX antenna
Barry N1EU
Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:46:31 -0800


K2MK wrote:
>
> Maybe it's a bug in the code. The sub antenna can be changed from the main
> display only not from the BSET display.
>
The sub antenna can definitely be changed from the BSET display by toggle
pushing the ANT button.

73/MX,
Barry N1EU

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Greg - AB7R
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You should be able to change it from both....I just tried it and it  
worked fine from both BSEt and using the RX ANt button.

Merry Christmas!
Greg
AB7R

On Dec 25, 2008, at 6:24 AM, K2MK wrote:

> Hi Frank:
>
> I think I have your answer. Try this.
>
> Turn the SUB on
> Don't press BSET
> Hold RX ANT
>
> You should alternately see MAIN and AUX as you hold the RX ANT  
> button. Now hold BSET. When the display changes it will tell you  
> which antenna is on your sub receiver. It will be either MAIN or AUX  
> as you left it when you changed it with BSET off.
>
> Maybe it's a bug in the code. The sub antenna can be changed from  
> the main display only not from the BSET display.
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
>
>
>> Re: [Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver ANT selection doesn't work - always  
>> uses the AUX antenna
>> Frank R. Oppedijk
>> Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:30:32 -0800
>>
>> Thanks to all people who responded on and off-list to my questions.  
>> I've looked at the K3 schematics and have come to the conclusion  
>> that the problem most probably is that the digital signal driving  
>> the subreceiver's MAIN/AUX relay isn't arriving at the subreceiver.  
>> I'm going to check the subin ans subout boards to see whether all  
>> pins are connected okay.
>>
>> Merry christmas to everybody!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Frank PA4N
>
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