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Barry

K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

Playing with the SUB for the first time since I got the radio chasing
the PJs out there.
First, I thought SUB was broken when the subrx was dead when I turned it
on. Then, the aha hit me and I checked the antenna setting and default
was not ANT1.

Anyway, I'm currently using the default settings where each AF knob is
independent. In my previous radios, it's always been a Balance knob, so
I'm thinking of changing it to that. Any comments, pro or con?
Tnx,
Barry W2UP

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Barry N1EU

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

Barry wrote

Anyway, I'm currently using the default settings where each AF knob is
independent. In my previous radios, it's always been a Balance knob, so
I'm thinking of changing it to that. Any comments, pro or con?

Yes, by all means, switch to Balance action.

73, Barry N1EU

P.B. Christensen

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

In reply to this post by Barry

> Anyway, I'm currently using the default settings where each AF knob is
> independent. In my previous radios, it's always been a Balance knob, so
> I'm thinking of changing it to that. Any comments, pro or con?
> Tnx,
> Barry W2UP

Barry,

The problem for me was having the balance control on the outer concentric
ring of the knob set. I modified my K3 so that the top knob set is
configured for MAIN AF/RF Gain, with MAIN RF Gain on the outer knob, and
MAIN AF Gain on the inner knob. The SUB AF/RF function is now located on
the bottom, with the SUB RF Gain on the lower outer knob, and SUB AF
Gain/BALANCE on the lower inner knob. The ergonomic difference is like
night and day.

When I activate split, I can manipulate the lower inner knob between the DX
station and the called station. I really detest having to manipulate the
outer ring to balance between stations. The propensity for disrupting the
alternate knobs is much greater. Further, at the suggestion from someone
else on the list, I replaced both knob sets with Alcoswitch black anodized
types through Mouser. The inner knob extends just slightly more, making the
DX split experience even more enjoyable.

The mod is easily reversible and requires swapping pot leads on the Main DSP
board. An even better solution could come from Elecraft through firmware.
Since the pots are all of the same resistance value, a firmware command
could be used to swap these functions.

Paul, W9AC

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W2RU - Bud Hippisley

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>
> The problem for me was having the balance control on the outer concentric
> ring of the knob set.

Very true, but I also have trouble getting to the outer concentric ring because of my headphone plug to the left of it.

> I modified my K3 so that the top knob set is
> configured for MAIN AF/RF Gain, with MAIN RF Gain on the outer knob, and
> MAIN AF Gain on the inner knob. The SUB AF/RF function is now located on
> the bottom, with the SUB RF Gain on the lower outer knob, and SUB AF
> Gain/BALANCE on the lower inner knob. The ergonomic difference is like
> night and day.

Excellent!!!!

> An even better solution could come from Elecraft through firmware.

I second that.

Bud, W2RU

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N2TK

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

I believe the prototype front panel was configured and labeled like Paul's
modified rig.
I like that configuration too.

73,
N2TK, Tony

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W2RU - Bud Hippisley
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:27 PM
To: Paul Christensen
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>
> The problem for me was having the balance control on the outer concentric
> ring of the knob set.

Very true, but I also have trouble getting to the outer concentric ring
because of my headphone plug to the left of it.

> I modified my K3 so that the top knob set is
> configured for MAIN AF/RF Gain, with MAIN RF Gain on the outer knob, and
> MAIN AF Gain on the inner knob. The SUB AF/RF function is now located on
> the bottom, with the SUB RF Gain on the lower outer knob, and SUB AF
> Gain/BALANCE on the lower inner knob. The ergonomic difference is like
> night and day.

Excellent!!!!

> An even better solution could come from Elecraft through firmware.

I second that.

Bud, W2RU

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

I'd even consider replacing front panels (2) if Main AF/RF and
Sub AF/RF (Balance/Squelch) were an option.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 10/13/2010 5:40 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:

> I believe the prototype front panel was configured and labeled like Paul's
> modified rig.
> I like that configuration too.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W2RU - Bud Hippisley
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:27 PM
> To: Paul Christensen
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>>
>> The problem for me was having the balance control on the outer concentric
>> ring of the knob set.
>
> Very true, but I also have trouble getting to the outer concentric ring
> because of my headphone plug to the left of it.
>
>> I modified my K3 so that the top knob set is
>> configured for MAIN AF/RF Gain, with MAIN RF Gain on the outer knob, and
>> MAIN AF Gain on the inner knob. The SUB AF/RF function is now located on
>> the bottom, with the SUB RF Gain on the lower outer knob, and SUB AF
>> Gain/BALANCE on the lower inner knob. The ergonomic difference is like
>> night and day.
>
> Excellent!!!!
>
>> An even better solution could come from Elecraft through firmware.
>
> I second that.
>
> Bud, W2RU
>
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P.B. Christensen

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

Joe,

Although not as nice as a revised panel, I used a Brother P-Touch printer,
using white lettering on black tape. The font and point size can be
changed in the PC software to get pretty close to the lettering used on the
K3.

Paul, W9AC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

>
> I'd even consider replacing front panels (2) if Main AF/RF and
> Sub AF/RF (Balance/Squelch) were an option.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 10/13/2010 5:40 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> I believe the prototype front panel was configured and labeled like
>> Paul's
>> modified rig.
>> I like that configuration too.
>>
>> 73,
>> N2TK, Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W2RU - Bud
>> Hippisley
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:27 PM
>> To: Paul Christensen
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem for me was having the balance control on the outer
>>> concentric
>>> ring of the knob set.
>>
>> Very true, but I also have trouble getting to the outer concentric ring
>> because of my headphone plug to the left of it.
>>
>>> I modified my K3 so that the top knob set is
>>> configured for MAIN AF/RF Gain, with MAIN RF Gain on the outer knob, and
>>> MAIN AF Gain on the inner knob. The SUB AF/RF function is now located
>>> on
>>> the bottom, with the SUB RF Gain on the lower outer knob, and SUB AF
>>> Gain/BALANCE on the lower inner knob. The ergonomic difference is like
>>> night and day.
>>
>> Excellent!!!!
>>
>>> An even better solution could come from Elecraft through firmware.
>>
>> I second that.
>>
>> Bud, W2RU
>>
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N2TK

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Same here.
N2TK, Tony

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

I'd even consider replacing front panels (2) if Main AF/RF and
Sub AF/RF (Balance/Squelch) were an option.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 10/13/2010 5:40 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:

Hippisley

> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:27 PM
> To: Paul Christensen
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>>
>> The problem for me was having the balance control on the outer concentric
>> ring of the knob set.
>
> Very true, but I also have trouble getting to the outer concentric ring
> because of my headphone plug to the left of it.
>
>> I modified my K3 so that the top knob set is
>> configured for MAIN AF/RF Gain, with MAIN RF Gain on the outer knob, and
>> MAIN AF Gain on the inner knob. The SUB AF/RF function is now located on
>> the bottom, with the SUB RF Gain on the lower outer knob, and SUB AF
>> Gain/BALANCE on the lower inner knob. The ergonomic difference is like
>> night and day.
>
> Excellent!!!!
>
>> An even better solution could come from Elecraft through firmware.
>
> I second that.
>
> Bud, W2RU
>
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Mike Reublin

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

In reply to this post by W2RU - Bud Hippisley

I've been a lot happier since I plugged both the cans and mic into the rear jacks.

73, Mike NF4L
==============================================================================
Very true, but I also have trouble getting to the outer concentric ring because of my
headphone plug to the left of it.

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Brendan Minish

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

Hello Mike

I have always used the rear connectors, it helps with usability.
I like the flexibility of all the I/O available on the back of the K3
but I got rather sick of reaching around the back of the radio so I
reused an old audio patch bay to take care of the routing, it also
helped fill out the Icom 7800 sized hole in my station.

http://ei6iz.com/?p=4

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 06:09 -0400, Mike wrote:
> I've been a lot happier since I plugged both the cans and mic into the rear jacks.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L

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Guy, K2AV

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

What really is missing here is a wireless headphone/mic that does not
need cords and can be worked with line in/out. The enemy is not the
smaller and smaller boxes. One day I will have a K3 AND a TV AND a
browser that fits on my wrist. The "K3" will be an app that can be
configured to talk to just about anything. I will be able to be in CA
and run my K3 in NC.

We're close.

I'll have a keyboard that only talks to my master com unit on my
wrist. A video expander that gets its stuff only from my master com
unit on my wrist. Permanent storage that gets its stuff and sends its
stuff to/from my master com unit on my wrist.

Does anyone put up with phones with cords anymore? Or remote controls
with cords. Or car keys that you actually have to put in a lock?

Is there some way to move FORWARD in our love/hate relationship with
cords? Talk about old and dust covered analog. Listen to us, talking
about solving ergonometric problems with patch panels. Quaint, and a
part of me thinks that's really neat. Rest of me thinks that's really
retro.

Small is very useful. Right now I have my K3, a Microham u2R, a K2/10
and an EC2 BOX KPA100/KAT100 box, some speakers in the 6 1/2 inch
space directly under my 32" 16x10 monitor, which is at the level
picked out by SAS' ergo people years ago to fix my head/neck/back
problem at work (worked brilliantly). The entire space is taken up by
my MP as an alternate, and of course totally inadequate for my 75A3
and Ranger.

Big hands/thumbs/fingers are not under our control. I have small
fingers and thereby do not have issues that others do. But shouldn't
our solutions be how to make SMALL fit WELL with BIG fingers?

What will you big finger guys do when your master com unit is strapped
to your wrist. How are you coping with Iphones, Ipads, and the like.
Ignoring all of that and only buying "big-button" cell phones? And
complaining endlessly about the key pads on Blackberries?

What direction is the future from this discussion? How do we run our
K3's controls from an Android touch app?

There are days when the discussion here seems to be screaming to go
back to the past, and learning digital is the absolute enemy.

73, and Blackberries drove me nuts with SMALL fingers...

Guy.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Brendan Minish <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Mike
>
> I have always used the rear connectors, it helps with usability.
> I like the flexibility of all the I/O available on the back of the K3
> but I got rather sick of reaching around the back of the radio so I
> reused an old audio patch bay to take care of the routing, it also
> helped fill out the Icom 7800 sized hole in my station.
>
> http://ei6iz.com/?p=4
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 06:09 -0400, Mike wrote:
>> I've been a lot happier since I plugged both the cans and mic into the rear jacks.
>>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> --
> 73
> Brendan EI6IZ
>
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George Thornton

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

I find these comments fascinating and highly appropriate for a K3 forum.
The K3 with its modularity and close communication between user and
manufacturer is the ideal place for adapting new technology to HAM
radio.

As a heavy user of technology outside of HAM radio, I think I have some
opinions on what would improve HAM radio.

The first would be a Bluetooth adapter for the K3 that would allow use
of BT stereo headphones. These devices already exist, it remains merely
to figure out how to add a module to the K3. At least one HAM radio
manufacturer offers this option, so this can't be that difficult.
There are many high quality stereo BT headphones on the market that cost
under $100. I would pay up to $200 for a reliable and stable BT
adapter for the K3. If this could be made to work with a BT stereo
headphone and mic with PTT that would be even better.

The next step is a reliable and stable remote control system that
connects through the internet and can be operated from an app on a cell
phone or Ipad.

I have big hands. I have worked with all kinds of cell phones and
laptops.

Cell phones, I have learned to hate the little mechanical keyboards, too
small for me. With touch screen the keyboard is actually larger. The
problem is many of the earlier touch screens were terrible. The new
Iphone touch pad works well and you don't need a separate keyboard. The
screen is still a bit small for big fingers or large web pages but it
certainly is more convenient than the laptop.

The Ipad could be an interesting remote control device. Small enough to
take on the road anywhere, large enough to have complex controls.

The final issue concerns antenna restrictions. I live close in and I
struggle mightily with getting adequate antennas. I would love to find
a way to bring my K3 to an ideal location where massive towers are
possible, and leave it there all the time. Maybe I would visit it once
in a while, but certainly not daily or weekly, maybe once a month or so.

For that to work well I would need a really comprehensive remote control
program. One that allows me to remote in over the internet and make all
sorts of changes, including updating firmware remotely. I know that
sort of stuff exists because my office computer consultant has set up a
similar system for our office computer network.

I would love to have an Ipad and be able to remotely operate my K3.
Whether in another room in the house or on a road trip the radio would
get a lot more use.

I do confess that I have not yet explored what is currently available
for remote control. I bet some of this stuff is already out there and I
am about to get an education.

Anyway, more food for thought.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:11 AM
To: Brendan Minish
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

What really is missing here is a wireless headphone/mic that does not
need cords and can be worked with line in/out. The enemy is not the
smaller and smaller boxes. One day I will have a K3 AND a TV AND a
browser that fits on my wrist. The "K3" will be an app that can be
configured to talk to just about anything. I will be able to be in CA
and run my K3 in NC.

We're close.

I'll have a keyboard that only talks to my master com unit on my
wrist. A video expander that gets its stuff only from my master com
unit on my wrist. Permanent storage that gets its stuff and sends its
stuff to/from my master com unit on my wrist.

Does anyone put up with phones with cords anymore? Or remote controls
with cords. Or car keys that you actually have to put in a lock?

Is there some way to move FORWARD in our love/hate relationship with
cords? Talk about old and dust covered analog. Listen to us, talking
about solving ergonometric problems with patch panels. Quaint, and a
part of me thinks that's really neat. Rest of me thinks that's really
retro.

Small is very useful. Right now I have my K3, a Microham u2R, a K2/10
and an EC2 BOX KPA100/KAT100 box, some speakers in the 6 1/2 inch
space directly under my 32" 16x10 monitor, which is at the level
picked out by SAS' ergo people years ago to fix my head/neck/back
problem at work (worked brilliantly). The entire space is taken up by
my MP as an alternate, and of course totally inadequate for my 75A3
and Ranger.

Big hands/thumbs/fingers are not under our control. I have small
fingers and thereby do not have issues that others do. But shouldn't
our solutions be how to make SMALL fit WELL with BIG fingers?

What will you big finger guys do when your master com unit is strapped
to your wrist. How are you coping with Iphones, Ipads, and the like.
Ignoring all of that and only buying "big-button" cell phones? And
complaining endlessly about the key pads on Blackberries?

What direction is the future from this discussion? How do we run our
K3's controls from an Android touch app?

There are days when the discussion here seems to be screaming to go
back to the past, and learning digital is the absolute enemy.

73, and Blackberries drove me nuts with SMALL fingers...

Guy.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Brendan Minish
<[hidden email]> wrote:

the rear jacks.

>>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> --
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> Brendan EI6IZ
>
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Tim Tucker

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

BT is a great idea, but to do it right, you wouldn't want to make it
available for only mics & speakers. Once you have the BT chipset in the K3,
there's no reason why you couldn't implement BT serial connectivity to a
notebook computer, as well. The P3 and K3 could communicate with each other
via BT. I strongly believe that ham radio products in general really need
to start rapidly implementing some of the common place technologies found in
every day life to help keep ham radio relevant and interesting to the
younger generation (even the 30 somethings!). I believe that Elecraft is
one of the companies that is positioned to start to do that, but it has to
start somewhere. Imagine if the KIO3 board had a USB port and BT chipset
embedded :) :).

BTW, even Cobra Electronics has a BT CB now that integrates with your cell
phone. I'm not sure that's useful to me, but if a CB company is starting to
find uses for BT technology, I'm sure an amateur radio company could also ;)

> The first would be a Bluetooth adapter for the K3 that would allow use
> of BT stereo headphones. These devices already exist, it remains merely
> to figure out how to add a module to the K3. At least one HAM radio
> manufacturer offers this option, so this can't be that difficult.
> There are many high quality stereo BT headphones on the market that cost
> under $100. I would pay up to $200 for a reliable and stable BT
> adapter for the K3. If this could be made to work with a BT stereo
> headphone and mic with PTT that would be even better.
>
>

ab2tc

Re: K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

Bluetooth? Oh, please Elecraft do not waste precious engineering resources on this boondoggle. If there are good reasons to stay away from a USB interface, there are infinitely more reasons to stay away from BT. You'll have all the usual driver issues and support of current and future operating systems. In addition you'll be faced with the problems intrinsic to BT, such as "pairing" of devices, endless connection delays and others. I know first-hand. Twice my company has insisted on providing BT connectivity for some of our medical devices, twice we have come up empty with good solutions.

AB2TC - Knut

Tim Tucker wrote

BT is a great idea, but to do it right, you wouldn't want to make it
available for only mics & speakers. Once you have the BT chipset in the K3,
there's no reason why you couldn't implement BT serial connectivity to a
notebook computer, as well. The P3 and K3 could communicate with each other
via BT. <snip>

GARY-2

K3 & Bluetooth

In reply to this post by George Thornton

George,
There are many such Bluetooth interfaces on the market right now for one way
listening thru a BT headset or earbud. As an example take a look at item
number N82E16855994093 at <http://www.newegg.com>. This little $50 audio
transmitter plugs right into any 1/8" stereo jack and transmits the audio
via BT to your Bluetooth capable headset. More research may find a BT
transceiver and headset with boom mic that works with your radio. Try
looking at the popular online computer accessory outlets.

I personally wouldn't ask Elecraft to go this route yet because there are
still a great many reliability issues with BT especially in certain
operating environments. Some commercial public safety equipment makers have
tried this and users quickly found it too often annoying because the
headpiece and transceiver would disassociate with each other at the most
inopportune times and take quite a while to relink. There is also the issue
of Bluetooth licensing for Elecraft to explore not to mention drivers to be
built and maintained for every computer operating system in use today. If
you want to experiment though there are devices available today that would
allow you to do so. Newegg also offers a nifty little $67 RS-232 to BT
adapter made by IOGear (item # N82E16833139008). I've used this item
successfully with Uniden scanners and see no reason why it wouldn't
interface a K3 to a BT capable computer.
73,
Gary
N6LRV

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB AF - NOR or BALANCE?

I find these comments fascinating and highly appropriate for a K3 forum.
The K3 with its modularity and close communication between user and
manufacturer is the ideal place for adapting new technology to HAM
radio.

As a heavy user of technology outside of HAM radio, I think I have some
opinions on what would improve HAM radio.

The first would be a Bluetooth adapter for the K3 that would allow use
of BT stereo headphones. These devices already exist, it remains merely
to figure out how to add a module to the K3. At least one HAM radio
manufacturer offers this option, so this can't be that difficult.
There are many high quality stereo BT headphones on the market that cost
under $100. I would pay up to $200 for a reliable and stable BT
adapter for the K3. If this could be made to work with a BT stereo
headphone and mic with PTT that would be even better.

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