K3: TX audio setup
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Is there any K3 user that can give me some advice?
I don't do SSB very often and it's the first time I try this mode with the K3. I'm setting up for next weekend. I have a K3 and talk into a HC4 mic element connected to a microHAM MK2R+. This then drives an ACOM 1000. First off, my audio sounds 'smurfified' through the monitor. I have no other way to describe it. On the air sollicited audio reports are not flattering, Another thing I noticed (compared to my TS-850) is that the K3's and amp's power meters do not give much deflection unless I shout. I've been fiddling all day and begging reports but the best report I got was "no highs, no low, only mid range". Here's what I have: MIC gain = 4, compression = 1, TXG-VCE = 1.5dB, and TX EQ = flat. I'm not interested in HiFi audio, I just want clean and sharp modulation for contesting. I'm not used to bad audio reports with the TS-850 which does not have a lot of parameters (didn't even use compression on that rig) so I hope someone has some advice on what parameters to tweak the K3 for success. TNX / 73 de Franki ON5ZO = OQ5M http://on5zo.spaces.live.com/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Franki, this is what I'm using now with a HC5 element into the rear (rP.H) jack:
mic: 30 cmp: 20 TX EQ .20 +5 TX EQ .40 +2 TXG-VCE = 2.0dB The K3 monitor is quite good and should enable you to tailor your tx audio as desired while you adjust the controls in real time. 73 & look for you next weekend, Barry N1EU
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OK Barry N1EU, I just set these parameters to your values:
mic: 30 cmp: 20 TX EQ .20 +5 TX EQ .40 +2 TXG-VCE = 2.0dB Now if I push the PTT I get the sound of a 747 taking off and full scale deflection on the power meter... without even talking! Per ON4WIX's advice I then tried: CONFIG:TXG VCE: +2.5 dB Mic gain: 15 Comp: 16 TX EQ: as flat as a pancake Now I can PTT and it remains silent... until I say 'test', then the jet takes off again. As if someone taps a large sheet of metal. My last on air report talked about 'metallic audio', which is about how it sounded with my original parameters too. So not quite there yet... - ON5ZO _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Franki
On the UK Elecraft net (SSB) there are users with several different microphone types and occasionally someone will call with poor TX audio. In every case they have been successful in improving the audio to the point where good audio is the norm and a K2 caller is easy to pick out. The usual problems, in no particular order, appear to be: Poor screening of the microphone cable, poor grounding, or high RF levels in the shack (there was a problem with some front panel microphone sockets and grounding, check back through the archive). Lack of adjustment of the TX equaliser, compression, or microphone level. Talking close to a microphone not fitted with a foam breath "pop" filter. A setting of 1 for compression is very low. The microphone gain also seems low. TXG-VCE of -1.5 dB is quite normal, if you are using 1.5 dB of gain it is probably going to produce excessive drive on SSB compared to CW levels. I am not sure why you are using a microham interface, an ordinary and cheap computer headset plugged into the rear of the K3 often sounds incredibly good, some of the stations on the net use headsets in the $1 to $20 range with very good quality audio. Gaming headsets are a current favourite for their comfort. One station uses a Heil Goldline microphone but with the normal insert switched in (not the HC4/5). A Kenwood MC-43S fist mic, as used on your TS-850, also sounds good - I have one but it sometimes results in reports of the PTT lever creaking! My current favourite microphone is a Sony one normally used for home studio recording with DAT recorders and similar, I use a low cost microphone boom/floor stand and a low cost foot switch. Almost any microphone can be made to sound good with a K3, especially with a little tweaking of the equaliser. Call into the net in the morning and we will see what everyone thinks and suggests! 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80, Acom 1000. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <SNIP> I don't do SSB very often and it's the first time I try this mode with the K3. I'm setting up for next weekend. I have a K3 and talk into a HC4 mic element connected to a microHAM MK2R+. This then drives an ACOM 1000. First off, my audio sounds 'smurfified' through the monitor. I have no other way to describe it. On the air sollicited audio reports are not flattering, Another thing I noticed (compared to my TS-850) is that the K3's and amp's power meters do not give much deflection unless I shout. I've been fiddling all day and begging reports but the best report I got was "no highs, no low, only mid range". Here's what I have: MIC gain = 4, compression = 1, TXG-VCE = 1.5dB, and TX EQ = flat. <SNIP> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Franki
From an earlier post to the Reflector I made... There have been various comments on the SSB audio from the K3 in recent times. I use a Kenwood MC-43S dynamic fist microphone with some compression and equalisation. I was in QSO this morning and the station I was working was very impressed with the audio, without prompting he said the audio was beautiful and sounded very nice. Settings: Mic gain: 30 Compression: 20 Equaliser: 50 Hz -8dB, 100 Hz -4dB, 200 Hz 0dB, 400 Hz +2dB, 800 Hz +2dB, 1.6 KHz +5dB, 2.4 KHz +7dB, 3.2 KHz +2dB. I have a fairly deep gravelly voice, so wasn't really expecting such compliments! 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: RE: K3: TX audio setup
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> Now I can PTT and it remains silent... until I say 'test', > then the jet takes off again. As if someone taps a large > sheet of metal. Open the Foster plug and clip the wire attached to Pin 8 (center). Elecraft connect pin 7 (mic ground) and pin 8 (PTT ground) in parallel and use a single RF choke to ground. This causes a "pin 1" common mode RFI problem because PTT and microphone circuits are "mixed." If the PTT ground wire is cut in the microHAM cable, PTT ground will use the shield of the cable which is connected directly to the chassis (shell of the Foster). Separating the PTT and mic grounds will work around (bypass) the common choke. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Franki ON5ZO > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:40 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] RE: K3: TX audio setup > > > OK Barry N1EU, I just set these parameters to your values: > > mic: 30 > cmp: 20 > TX EQ .20 +5 > TX EQ .40 +2 > TXG-VCE = 2.0dB > > Now if I push the PTT I get the sound of a 747 taking off and > full scale > deflection on the power meter... without even talking! > > Per ON4WIX's advice I then tried: > > CONFIG:TXG VCE: +2.5 dB > Mic gain: 15 > Comp: 16 > TX EQ: as flat as a pancake > > Now I can PTT and it remains silent... until I say 'test', > then the jet > takes off again. As if someone taps a large sheet of metal. > My last on air > report talked about 'metallic audio', which is about how it > sounded with my > original parameters too. > > So not quite there yet... > > - ON5ZO > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> I have a K3 and talk into a HC4 mic element connected to a > microHAM MK2R+. This then drives an ACOM 1000. Be sure you do not have "Mic Bias" turned on in the K3. Bypass the radio preamp in MK2R+ and enable the preamp for recording to the "soundcard." Applying bias (DC) to a dynamic element will reduce output - particularly lows. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Franki ON5ZO > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:02 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] K3: TX audio setup > > > Is there any K3 user that can give me some advice? > > I don't do SSB very often and it's the first time I try this > mode with the > K3. I'm setting up for next weekend. > I have a K3 and talk into a HC4 mic element connected to a > microHAM MK2R+. > This then drives an ACOM 1000. > > First off, my audio sounds 'smurfified' through the monitor. > I have no other > way to describe it. On the air sollicited audio reports are > not flattering, Another thing I noticed (compared to my > TS-850) is that the K3's and amp's > power meters do not give much deflection unless I shout. > I've been fiddling all day and begging reports but the best > report I got was > "no highs, no low, only mid range". > > Here's what I have: MIC gain = 4, compression = 1, TXG-VCE = > 1.5dB, and TX > EQ = flat. > > I'm not interested in HiFi audio, I just want clean and sharp > modulation for > contesting. I'm not used to bad audio reports with the TS-850 > which does not > have a lot of parameters (didn't even use compression on that > rig) so I hope > someone has some advice on what parameters to tweak the K3 > for success. > > TNX / 73 de Franki ON5ZO = OQ5M > http://on5zo.spaces.live.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I missed this in my original response. I would bypass the microHAM temporarily and plug the HC4 directly into the K3 rear panel mic jack (mic sel = rP.H) as an initial troubleshooting step with some of the suggesting settings that have been posted. Barry N1EU |
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Franki,
If you try setting up the audio without the MicroHam first, you'll know if its that giving problems. You don't say if you have the K3 mic gain on the High or Low setting (Main menu) and whether or not you've set the mic gain in accordance with the manual Page 28 (Revision D1) whilst looking at the alc meter. The HC4 and HC5 mics have low output compared with many mics so you need to be prepared to turn the gain up quite high, but it all depends on the strength and pitch of your voice. I use both of them and I think it almost certain that you should have the mic gain on the H setting for those mics. Then follow the procedure on p 28 of the Manual. As regards compression I have found that with my voice, around 15 is a good level for dx working to give punch without sounding overprocessed. As regards TXG VCE, I have found that above about +1.5db the output does not increase much so I have it at that level like you. At that level the K3 seems to drive my amplifier about right. The equaliser is the icing on the cake and you can play with it once everything else is right. The monitor is ok but I've found you get a clearer idea of what it sounds like if you record yourself and listen to it after. I get my computer to listen to me on another rx and record it that way. Not only will you hear your voice but you'll also get a feel for how loud the background noise is. If it's too loud it could mean that the mic gain and/or the compression should be turned down a bit. Hope this helps 73 to all Geoff G3UCK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franki ON5ZO" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [Elecraft] RE: K3: TX audio setup > OK Barry N1EU, I just set these parameters to your values: > > mic: 30 > cmp: 20 > TX EQ .20 +5 > TX EQ .40 +2 > TXG-VCE = 2.0dB > > Now if I push the PTT I get the sound of a 747 taking off and full scale > deflection on the power meter... without even talking! > > Per ON4WIX's advice I then tried: > > CONFIG:TXG VCE: +2.5 dB > Mic gain: 15 > Comp: 16 > TX EQ: as flat as a pancake > > Now I can PTT and it remains silent... until I say 'test', then the jet > takes off again. As if someone taps a large sheet of metal. My last on air > report talked about 'metallic audio', which is about how it sounded with > my original parameters too. > > So not quite there yet... > > - ON5ZO > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Once again great and prompt support from both the Elecraft list as well as
microHAM. Thank you all! Executing W4TV's advice solved the problem: > Elecraft connect pin 7 (mic ground) and pin 8 (PTT ground) in > parallel and use a single RF choke to ground. This causes a > "pin 1" common mode RFI problem because PTT and microphone > circuits are "mixed." A single cut gave me pristine audio in the monitor and on the air as confirmed by a local volunteer. Settings now: MIC GAIN = 30, COMP = 20, TX EQ 0.05=+6, 0.10 = +4, 0.20 = +2, 1.60 = +2, 2.40 = +4, 3.20 = +6. I might tweak the EQ some more later. TNX again y'all! - Franki ON5ZO = OQ5M _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Franki,
Were you able to fix your SSB audio problem? One area you might want to check is what you have the SSB filter offset set for. If you have the 2.8 kHz filter, this offset should be zero. If it is the 2.7 kHz filter, this offset is usually in the -0.80 to -.90 , with most set for -.85. What is your SSB filter offset set to in the K3 menu?. If it is incorrect, that will cause the muffled audio reports. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Franki ON5ZO wrote: > Is there any K3 user that can give me some advice? > > I don't do SSB very often and it's the first time I try this mode with > the K3. I'm setting up for next weekend. > I have a K3 and talk into a HC4 mic element connected to a microHAM > MK2R+. This then drives an ACOM 1000. > > First off, my audio sounds 'smurfified' through the monitor. I have no > other way to describe it. On the air sollicited audio reports are not > flattering, > Another thing I noticed (compared to my TS-850) is that the K3's and > amp's power meters do not give much deflection unless I shout. > I've been fiddling all day and begging reports but the best report I > got was "no highs, no low, only mid range". > > Here's what I have: MIC gain = 4, compression = 1, TXG-VCE = 1.5dB, > and TX EQ = flat. > > I'm not interested in HiFi audio, I just want clean and sharp > modulation for contesting. I'm not used to bad audio reports with the > TS-850 which does not have a lot of parameters (didn't even use > compression on that rig) so I hope someone has some advice on what > parameters to tweak the K3 for success. > > TNX / 73 de Franki ON5ZO = OQ5M > http://on5zo.spaces.live.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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