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AC6JA

K3 VFO Tuning Rates

I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the VFO knob
is spun? Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the speed
of the knob, kinda nice!
Thanks.

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Grant Youngman

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

On May 25, 2009, at 11:03 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the
> VFO knob
> is spun?

No.

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Holger Gatternig OE9GHV

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

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I'd also like to see this feature... It is vy comfortable on my pro3.

73 de Holger, OE9GHV

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> I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the VFO knob
> is spun? Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
> I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the speed
> of the knob, kinda nice!
> Thanks.
>
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Stephen Prior

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

I agree, it was one of the functions of my IC-7400 that I most appreciated.

73, Stephen G4SJP

On 25/05/2009 20:57, "Holger Gatternig OE9GHV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> I'd also like to see this feature... It is vy comfortable on my pro3.
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drewko

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

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I would be happy to have an additional coarse tuning rate of 1
MHz-per-turn, no matter how it is implemented, either by spinning the
knob faster or pushbutton selection.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Mon, 25 May 2009 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT), Mike AC6JA wrote:

>I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the VFO knob
> is spun? Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
>I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the speed
>of the knob, kinda nice!
>Thanks.
>
>Mike AC6JA

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David Woolley (E.L)

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

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[hidden email] wrote:
> I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the VFO knob
> is spun? Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
> I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the speed
> of the knob, kinda nice!

I have a Sangean ATS 83 that does it (venerable mass market portable
including shortwave and BFO).

Not only is the idea obvious, but any patent that was obtained, in spite
of the obviousness, will be long since expired.

I was surprised that the K2 didn't do it and even more surprised that
the K3 doesn't.

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wayne burdick

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

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This is referred to as "ballistic" tuning. We experimented with it but
rejected it when we did the K2 design. I haven't tried it on the K3
yet, but I've added it to my list.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On May 26, 2009, at 2:28 PM, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:

> [hidden email] wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the
>> VFO knob
>> is spun? Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
>> I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the
>> speed
>> of the knob, kinda nice!
>
> I have a Sangean ATS 83 that does it (venerable mass market portable
> including shortwave and BFO).
>
> Not only is the idea obvious, but any patent that was obtained, in
> spite
> of the obviousness, will be long since expired.
>
> I was surprised that the K2 didn't do it and even more surprised that
> the K3 doesn't.
>
>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mike AC6JA
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

Wayne,

I have that ballistic tuning on my Yaesu FT-847 and find it cumbersome
to use. It may be that I am just not used to it (I use my K2 and K3
more often, but for right now, operating with a ballistic tuning know is
*not* one of the skills I want to have to learn. I am quite happy with
the RATE button on the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

wayne burdick wrote:

> This is referred to as "ballistic" tuning. We experimented with it but
> rejected it when we did the K2 design. I haven't tried it on the K3
> yet, but I've added it to my list.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On May 26, 2009, at 2:28 PM, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:
>
>
>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering if the K3 VFO tuning rates increase the faster the
>>> VFO knob
>>> is spun? Is this a future firmware option if it doesn't?
>>> I have an ICOM 756PROIII and its VFO tuning rate increases with the
>>> speed
>>> of the knob, kinda nice!
>>>
>

Ken Kopp-3

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

A "ballistic" tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
bottom of my wish list. (:-))

It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Bob Garrett

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

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Don,

I agree wholeheartedly! Ballastic tuning is painful and detracts from the
operating experience. Just one man's opinion.

73, Bob K3UL

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wayne burdick

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

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One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be
"live" after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz
(VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

Wayne
N6KR

On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:

> A "ballistic" tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
> bottom of my wish list. (:-))
>
> It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

That would also "drive me wild", but then I would not have to use it
unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.
Remember the "KISS" principle - I object to my radio doing "magic
things" for me.

73,
Don W3FPR

wayne burdick wrote:

> One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be
> "live" after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
> frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz
> (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:
>
>
>> A "ballistic" tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
>> bottom of my wish list. (:-))
>>
>> It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.
>>
>> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>> [hidden email]
>> http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5
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>>
>>
>>
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pd0psb

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

I've seen some "ballistic" radios working very well.
You don't notice it untill you really spin the wheel making very clear you want to QSY.
Other radios tend to get nervous and seem to "skid" on it.
It's a matter of choosing the best switch-over point in relation to encoder/speed/user.

The option in K3 to do course steps with with RIT encoder and fine with VFO is really nice!
Use that all the time. It would be nice though to have the option to revert to full .000kHz somehow.

73'
Paul
PD0PSB

<quote author="Don Wilhelm-4">
That would also "drive me wild", but then I would not have to use it
unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.
Remember the "KISS" principle - I object to my radio doing "magic
things" for me.

N2TK

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

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I like it.
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of wayne burdick
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:23 AM
To: Ken Kopp
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be
"live" after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz
(VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.

Wayne
N6KR

On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:

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Brendan Minish

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates

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I have used radios with ballistic tuning and if implemented well it's a
pleasure to use. my Icom 756pro2 did this as did the 7800

my Racal ra3702 has ballistic tuning too but the jumps up in tuning rate
are too large and occur at the wrong rotation speeds so it's a bit of a
nuisance on this radio, thankfully it can be turned off.

Implemented well it would be a nice feature to have on the K3

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Merv Schweigert

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

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As usual it seems the thread has mutated into different conceptions of what
is going on. Ballistic tuning is when the knob is turned faster the
freq moves
faster,
I had a FT-847 and the tuning on it was "jog shuttle" an extra ring
around the
tuning knob that would move freq very fast depending on how far the ring
was moved. Was a bear to get used to. The ballistic is much
different, there
is no learning curve and works well, you dont even know its there
unless you
spin the dial fast.
It would be like a no hands rate button. I for one vote for it.
Merv KH7C

> That would also "drive me wild", but then I would not have to use it
> unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.
> Remember the "KISS" principle - I object to my radio doing "magic
> things" for me.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> wayne burdick wrote:
>
>> One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be
>> "live" after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
>> frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz
>> (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> A "ballistic" tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
>>> bottom of my wish list. (:-))
>>>
>>> It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.
>>>
>>> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

make that two
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On 27 May 2009, at 20:56, Merv Schweigert wrote:

> As usual it seems the thread has mutated into different conceptions
> of what
> is going on. Ballistic tuning is when the knob is turned faster the
> freq moves
> faster,
> I had a FT-847 and the tuning on it was "jog shuttle" an extra ring
> around the
> tuning knob that would move freq very fast depending on how far the
> ring
> was moved. Was a bear to get used to. The ballistic is much
> different, there
> is no learning curve and works well, you dont even know its there
> unless you
> spin the dial fast.
> It would be like a no hands rate button. I for one vote for it.
> Merv KH7C
>> That would also "drive me wild", but then I would not have to use it
>> unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.
>> Remember the "KISS" principle - I object to my radio doing "magic
>> things" for me.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> wayne burdick wrote:
>>
>>> One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B
>>> knobs be
>>> "live" after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
>>> frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100
>>> kHz
>>> (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>> On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A "ballistic" tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
>>>> bottom of my wish list. (:-))
>>>>
>>>> It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.
>>>>
>>>> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>>> [hidden email]
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>>>>
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Craig Smith

Re: K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

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<> The ballistic is much different, there
<> is no learning curve and works well, you don't even know its there
<> unless you spin the dial fast.
<> It would be like a no hands rate button. I for one vote for it.

I like it as well on my ICOM rig, and would be in favor of including it on
the K3. I assume that it could be a firmware option so that those who are
bothered by the concept aren't by the reality.
In the meantime, I enjoy fast QSYs around each band by using the RIT knob
option.

73 Craig AC0DS

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Bill Steffey NY9H

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2 votes for a good ballistic tuning VFO ,,,,, ( defeatable)

icom does do it very well on the 756 & 7800

bill ny9h

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Andy Faber

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I agree with Merv's analysis. The 756 Pros have this variable rate tuning
and it is very convenient and unobtrusive.
73, andy, ae6y
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From: "Merv Schweigert" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO Tuning Rates (alternative: via FREQ ENT)

> As usual it seems the thread has mutated into different conceptions of
> what
> is going on. Ballistic tuning is when the knob is turned faster the
> freq moves
> faster,
> I had a FT-847 and the tuning on it was "jog shuttle" an extra ring
> around the
> tuning knob that would move freq very fast depending on how far the ring
> was moved. Was a bear to get used to. The ballistic is much
> different, there
> is no learning curve and works well, you dont even know its there
> unless you
> spin the dial fast.
> It would be like a no hands rate button. I for one vote for it.
> Merv KH7C
>> That would also "drive me wild", but then I would not have to use it
>> unless I selected it explicitly, so it is quite palatable to me.
>> Remember the "KISS" principle - I object to my radio doing "magic
>> things" for me.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> wayne burdick wrote:
>>
>>> One idea already on the list is to have the VFO A and/or VFO B knobs be
>>> "live" after you tap FREQ ENT, so that instead of entering a numeric
>>> frequency, you could select the frequency in 1 MHz (VFO A) or 100 kHz
>>> (VFO B) steps. Tap FREQ ENT again to return to normal tuning.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>> On May 26, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A "ballistic" tuning rate on my K3 would be below the
>>>> bottom of my wish list. (:-))
>>>>
>>>> It's faster to use the FREQ ENT method, if at all.
>>>>
>>>> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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