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Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like RTTY?
Tom GM4FDM -- So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember his name, it's P something T something R. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080905-0, 05/09/2008 Tested on: 05/09/2008 18:07:22 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Tom Wylie wrote:
> Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like RTTY? No, this is intentionally restricted. Using noise reduction on a data signal can introduce distortion to the signal. The demodulator,if properly designed, will be matched to the expected signal characteristics and noise reduction will not help, and may hinder. 73, Lyle KK7P _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Tom Wylie wrote:
> Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like > RTTY? How would data reduction work in such modes and, more importantly, why are those techniques not already being used in your data terminal? Real noise can never be reduced; it is random, and therefore impossible to predict. What I think the K3 noise reduction may be doing is: - automatic interference reduction, by automatically notching out constant carriers - but a marking RTTY signal looks like a constant carrier and would also be removed by this; - squelching when there is no speech like signal; - selectively reducing gain at frequencies which don't have strong spectral peaks from the speech. The latter two reduce subjective noise, but are only valid for speech. They work because speech is a relatively inefficient user of bandwidth, but has a lot of redundancy. The best way of getting rid of interfering carriers is to use a narrow passband, either at IF, or in the terminal unit and the best way of mitigating random noise is by using a discriminator that is well matched to the desired modulation. > > Tom > GM4FDM > -- David Woolley "The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio" List Guidelines <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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David Woolley (E.L) wrote:
> <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Tom Wylie > wrote: >> Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like >> RTTY? > > How would data reduction work in such modes and, more importantly, why > are those techniques not already being used in your data terminal? That should, of course, have said; How would *noise* reduction.... -- David Woolley "The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio" List Guidelines <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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