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K3 and Noise Reduction

Tom Wylie
Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like RTTY?

Tom
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Re: K3 and Noise Reduction

KK7P
Tom Wylie wrote:
> Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like RTTY?

No, this is intentionally restricted.

Using noise reduction on a data signal can introduce distortion to the
signal.  The demodulator,if properly designed, will be matched to the
expected signal characteristics and noise reduction will not help, and
may hinder.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: K3 and Noise Reduction

David Woolley (E.L)
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Tom Wylie wrote:
> Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like
> RTTY?

How would data reduction work in such modes and, more importantly, why
are those techniques not already being used in your data terminal?

Real noise can never be reduced; it is random, and therefore impossible
to predict.  What I think the K3 noise reduction may be doing is:

- automatic interference reduction, by automatically notching out
constant carriers - but a marking RTTY signal looks like a constant
carrier and would also be removed by this;
- squelching when there is no speech like signal;
- selectively reducing gain at frequencies which don't have strong
spectral peaks from the speech.

The latter two reduce subjective noise, but are only valid for speech.
They work because speech is a relatively inefficient user of bandwidth,
but has a lot of redundancy.

The best way of getting rid of interfering carriers is to use a narrow
passband, either at IF, or in the terminal unit and the best way of
mitigating random noise is by using a discriminator that is well matched
to the desired modulation.
>
> Tom
> GM4FDM
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David Woolley (E.L)
David Woolley (E.L) wrote:
> <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Tom Wylie
> wrote:
>> Is it possible to get noise reduction working when in Data mode like
>> RTTY?
>
> How would data reduction work in such modes and, more importantly, why
> are those techniques not already being used in your data terminal?

That should, of course, have said; How would *noise* reduction....

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