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ve3dvy

K3 and TRlog

Our club has been using TRlog for many years for Field Day and plan to
continue to use it for several good reasons. for the most part they
are using it stand alone without a rig connection other than keying
CW. in comes the K3 and the possibility of simple rig control and
here is the problem.

there seems to be some odd reactions when band changes are made TRlog
fails to show it without delay. often the frequency display on TRlog
will go blank and then show up again at either the new or old frequency
then finally will settle down and show the correct info after 10 or 20
seconds. Also band changes at TRlog don't work I can only change it
at the rig. this is running it under windows. if I boot into DOS
7.1 and run TRlog it all seems to work fine. I don't really know
where the disconnect is something to do with windows Im sure it acts
the same whether running XP or window 7. has anyone run into this
and better does anyone know of a fix I fooled around with some of the
polling delays to no effect.

Here is the related section from the log.cfg as used I used Kenwood
rig for the K3 as its recomended by TRlog.

RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 1
RADIO ONE BAUD RATE 4800
RADIO ONE TYPE TS850

and the K3 is of course set for 4800 as well

I am thinking that the ultimate answer will be to run it from DOS but
Id rather use windows so that I can use other applications as well.

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Scott Manthe-2

Re: K3 and TRlog

TRLog hasn't been updated since 2006, so I'd consider trying to convince
the fellows in the club that it's time to move on to one of the many
more modern contest loggers. When I used Windows, I used N1MM, but the
are many others that are still supported by their developers.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 5/26/12 10:43 PM, david Moes wrote:

> Our club has been using TRlog for many years for Field Day and plan to
> continue to use it for several good reasons. for the most part they
> are using it stand alone without a rig connection other than keying
> CW. in comes the K3 and the possibility of simple rig control and
> here is the problem.
>
> there seems to be some odd reactions when band changes are made TRlog
> fails to show it without delay. often the frequency display on TRlog
> will go blank and then show up again at either the new or old frequency
> then finally will settle down and show the correct info after 10 or 20
> seconds. Also band changes at TRlog don't work I can only change it
> at the rig. this is running it under windows. if I boot into DOS
> 7.1 and run TRlog it all seems to work fine. I don't really know
> where the disconnect is something to do with windows Im sure it acts
> the same whether running XP or window 7. has anyone run into this
> and better does anyone know of a fix I fooled around with some of the
> polling delays to no effect.
>
> Here is the related section from the log.cfg as used I used Kenwood
> rig for the K3 as its recomended by TRlog.
>
> RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 1
> RADIO ONE BAUD RATE 4800
> RADIO ONE TYPE TS850
>
> and the K3 is of course set for 4800 as well
>
> I am thinking that the ultimate answer will be to run it from DOS but
> Id rather use windows so that I can use other applications as well.
>

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w0mu

Re: K3 and TRlog

I love N1MM I believe TR4W is a very close approximation to TR but for
windows.

Good luck!

Mike W0MU

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On 5/26/2012 9:52 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:

> TRLog hasn't been updated since 2006, so I'd consider trying to convince
> the fellows in the club that it's time to move on to one of the many
> more modern contest loggers. When I used Windows, I used N1MM, but the
> are many others that are still supported by their developers.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 5/26/12 10:43 PM, david Moes wrote:
>> Our club has been using TRlog for many years for Field Day and plan to
>> continue to use it for several good reasons. for the most part they
>> are using it stand alone without a rig connection other than keying
>> CW. in comes the K3 and the possibility of simple rig control and
>> here is the problem.
>>
>> there seems to be some odd reactions when band changes are made TRlog
>> fails to show it without delay. often the frequency display on TRlog
>> will go blank and then show up again at either the new or old frequency
>> then finally will settle down and show the correct info after 10 or 20
>> seconds. Also band changes at TRlog don't work I can only change it
>> at the rig. this is running it under windows. if I boot into DOS
>> 7.1 and run TRlog it all seems to work fine. I don't really know
>> where the disconnect is something to do with windows Im sure it acts
>> the same whether running XP or window 7. has anyone run into this
>> and better does anyone know of a fix I fooled around with some of the
>> polling delays to no effect.
>>
>> Here is the related section from the log.cfg as used I used Kenwood
>> rig for the K3 as its recomended by TRlog.
>>
>> RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 1
>> RADIO ONE BAUD RATE 4800
>> RADIO ONE TYPE TS850
>>
>> and the K3 is of course set for 4800 as well
>>
>> I am thinking that the ultimate answer will be to run it from DOS but
>> Id rather use windows so that I can use other applications as well.
>>
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ve3dvy

Re: K3 and TRlog

Its unlikely that we will be changing I have tried but there is
resistance. The advantage of TRlog is that it can be run right off a
thumbdrive. and all the log files etc will remain on the thumbdrive so
we have thumbdrive dedicated to each band. (we used to use floppies for
this.) we don't have club computers so so we end up with a mix of
private laptops allong with the mixed feelings of their owners to fool
with networking etc. in our process To change bands the opps must use
the thumb drive for that band. This avoids two things. less likely two
stations will be using the same band, and there is a common log for the
band so that regardless of the radio used there they are alerted to
dups. networking would solve the latter but see above. Ive tried and
I may try again at the FD meeting to convince them to use N1MM but I
have doubts that they will go for it.

I too love N1mm and use it myself for contests and I am considering as
my only logger but for field day not so at least here as is complex and
an op that is not familiar can get things messed up easy. Ive seen this
and I don't want to be Mr. fix the software when Id rather be raking in
the point. On field day we get a lot of different ops with different
and sometimes lacking computer skills.

TR4W well its nice but there is very lacking documentation. It
claims network ability but I cant find out how. it is not mentioned in
the "draft" documentation that I managed to hunt down as the
documentation on the website takes you to the original TRlog document
files. so TR4W is definitly out.

there are a few others but we run into the network thing that seems to
be such an unfortunate roadblock. I will try!

On 5/27/2012 12:00 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:

> I love N1MM I believe TR4W is a very close approximation to TR but for
> windows.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net:23 or w0mu-1.dnsdynamic.com
> Http://www.w0mu.com
>
>
>

Robie Elms-2

Re: K3 and TRlog

Perhaps SD will meet your needs.

http://www.ei5di.com/

I have no affiliation with this program. However, it has worked for
me with various rigs, not a K3 however,

Robie - AJ4F

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:48 AM, David Moes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Its unlikely that we will be changing I have tried but there is
> resistance. The advantage of TRlog is that it can be run right off a
> thumbdrive. and all the log files etc will remain on the thumbdrive so
> we have thumbdrive dedicated to each band. (we used to use floppies for
> this.) we don't have club computers so so we end up with a mix of
> private laptops allong with the mixed feelings of their owners to fool
> with networking etc. in our process To change bands the opps must use
> the thumb drive for that band. This avoids two things. less likely two
> stations will be using the same band, and there is a common log for the
> band so that regardless of the radio used there they are alerted to
> dups. networking would solve the latter but see above. Ive tried and
> I may try again at the FD meeting to convince them to use N1MM but I
> have doubts that they will go for it.
>
> I too love N1mm and use it myself for contests and I am considering as
> my only logger but for field day not so at least here as is complex and
> an op that is not familiar can get things messed up easy. Ive seen this
> and I don't want to be Mr. fix the software when Id rather be raking in
> the point. On field day we get a lot of different ops with different
> and sometimes lacking computer skills.
>
> TR4W well its nice but there is very lacking documentation. It
> claims network ability but I cant find out how. it is not mentioned in
> the "draft" documentation that I managed to hunt down as the
> documentation on the website takes you to the original TRlog document
> files. so TR4W is definitly out.
>
> there are a few others but we run into the network thing that seems to
> be such an unfortunate roadblock. I will try!
>
>
>
> On 5/27/2012 12:00 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>> I love N1MM I believe TR4W is a very close approximation to TR but for
>> windows.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Mike W0MU
>>
>> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net:23 or w0mu-1.dnsdynamic.com
>> Http://www.w0mu.com
>>
>>
>>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 and TRlog

In reply to this post by ve3dvy

> TR4W well its nice but there is very lacking documentation. It claims
> network ability but I cant find out how. it is not mentioned in the
> "draft" documentation that I managed to hunt down as the
> documentation on the website takes you to the original TRlog
> document files. so TR4W is definitly out.

The most complete documentation - although not the most convenient
is to use Google's Language Tools with the Russian wiki.

<http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tr4w.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.html&act=url>

Like all machine translations the result is not idiomatic and sometimes
a bit confusing but it is generally usable.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 5/27/2012 7:48 AM, David Moes wrote:

ve3dvy

Re: K3 and TRlog

In reply to this post by ve3dvy

According the TRLog manual its not able to do speeds between 4800 and
57600. it seems that the manual here is only partly correct. I
don't see a way to set bits and stop bits, I think this is assumed when
you set the rig type. In this case Kenwood. So I tried 38400 it and
it seems to have improved it but still takes Two or three seconds or so
to update whats strange is that RIT and anything that TR send to the
K3 are instant. just slow back. example if I change bands using TRlog
the K3 does it instantly it takes TR a few seconds to realize it.
sometimes TRlog changes to a completely different band for a second or
two. but now its broken when booted in DOS TRlog has problems. at
38400 it is really bad. and updates sometimes and then only after a
long wait. perhapse that is why those speeds are not in the manual.

I think I can live with this, since its updating much faster than
before. Now if I can convince the group to get with the 21st century
we wouldn't have these problems Don't get me wrong TRlog is a very
well written piece of software. its just not really happy in windows.

Changing bands is solved. it was an error in the config that
limited TR to one band. On 5/26/2012 11:24 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Use 38,400 for the baud rate, 8 data bits, no parity, 1 stop bit. If
> it won't take that, use the highest baud rate TRlog will handle.
> Forget the baud rate in TRLog instructions. Interestingly a lot of
> the modern PC card and interface chips do very poorly with the slower
> rates, losing track of what is going on.
>
> 73, Guy
>
>

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