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Mike K2MK

K3 auto spot function

I consider the CW Auto Spot function one of the best features of the K3. My tone death ears are worthless for this purpose. I'm sure I pressed the button over 1000 times this past weekend during the DX contest making over 900 contacts, all search and pounce. I wonder if anyone knows how to access Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while running WriteLog. I would like to be able to press either the mouse wheel or F12 to force an Auto Spot.

73,
Mike K2MK

Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 auto spot function

Can you cause your logging program to generate the CAT command to simulate
pressing the SPOT button (SWT42;) ?

See the K3 Programmer's Reference, SWT/SWH Switch Emulation, page 17 or so.

73 de Dick, K6KR

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I consider the CW Auto Spot function one of the best features of the K3. My
tone death ears are worthless for this purpose. I'm sure I pressed the
button over 1000 times this past weekend during the DX contest making over
900 contacts, all search and pounce. I wonder if anyone knows how to access
Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while running WriteLog. I would like to
be able to press either the mouse wheel or F12 to force an Auto Spot.

73,
Mike K2MK
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Mike K2MK

Re: K3 auto spot function

Hi Dick:

That's the part that I don't know how to do. I'm hoping someone familiar with WriteLog programming can post a method to accomplish this.

73,
Mike K2MK

> <quote author="Dick Dievendorff">
> Can you cause your logging program to generate the CAT command to simulate
> pressing the SPOT button (SWT42;) ?
>
> See the K3 Programmer's Reference, SWT/SWH Switch Emulation, page 17 or so.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>>
>> I consider the CW Auto Spot function one of the best features of the K3. My
>> tone death ears are worthless for this purpose. I'm sure I pressed the
>> button over 1000 times this past weekend during the DX contest making over
>> 900 contacts, all search and pounce. I wonder if anyone knows how to access
>> Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while running WriteLog. I would like to
>> be able to press either the mouse wheel or F12 to force an Auto Spot.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike K2MK

Fred Atchley

Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by Mike K2MK

Mike wrote: I wonder if anyone

>> knows how to access Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while

>> running WriteLog.

Mike I wrote to WriteLog about the inclusion of macros in their logger. They
never replied. Maybe if they get more requests they might get "a round
toit". Otherwise there is N1MM which I hear has macro capability.

73, Fred, AE6IC

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The Smiths

Re: K3 auto spot function

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The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY.

That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer them...

> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:13:38 -0800
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>
>
> I consider the CW Auto Spot function one of the best features of the K3. My
> tone death ears are worthless for this purpose. I'm sure I pressed the
> button over 1000 times this past weekend during the DX contest making over
> 900 contacts, all search and pounce. I wonder if anyone knows how to access
> Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while running WriteLog. I would like to
> be able to press either the mouse wheel or F12 to force an Auto Spot.
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
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Brendan Minish

Re: K3 auto spot function

Surely this is an unneeded feature?
Isn't the point of SPOT to ensure that you are transmitting on the same
frequency as the other station.
Nothing is gained by exactly tuning the station to match your side-tone
pitch once rit is engaged.
If some guy comes back to you a bit off frequency you can just adjust
the RIT until the pitch is to your liking. If it's outside the filter
bandwidth you may not hear him and auto spot can't work it's magic
anyway

just my thoughts on this

On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 20:00 +0000, The Smiths wrote:

> The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER
> if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT
> ONLY.
>
>
> That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY
> just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting
> Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to
> you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
> Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for
> those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave
> this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
> Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it
> added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer
> them...

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73
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Merv Schweigert

Re: K3 auto spot function

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You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use the
CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put, only the
receiver is tuned.
Merv KH7C

> The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY.
>
>
> That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
> Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
> Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer them...
>
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The Smiths

Re: K3 auto spot function

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I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the Shift control.

I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same helpful thing with receive???

Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well.
For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post" indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off.

Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things so hard is just wondrous to me.

> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> CC: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:56:19 +0000
>
> Surely this is an unneeded feature?
> Isn't the point of SPOT to ensure that you are transmitting on the same
> frequency as the other station.
> Nothing is gained by exactly tuning the station to match your side-tone
> pitch once rit is engaged.
> If some guy comes back to you a bit off frequency you can just adjust
> the RIT until the pitch is to your liking. If it's outside the filter
> bandwidth you may not hear him and auto spot can't work it's magic
> anyway
>
> just my thoughts on this
>
> On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 20:00 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
> > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER
> > if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT
> > ONLY.
> >
> >
> > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY
> > just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting
> > Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to
> > you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
> > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for
> > those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave
> > this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
> > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it
> > added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer
> > them...
>
> --
> 73
> Brendan EI6IZ
>

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The Smiths

Re: K3 auto spot function

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Why are you trying to come up with a harder way of doing the same thing? I know what RIT is, I know how to use it. Just let me hit the stupid SPOT button and get things Zero Beated... Why do I have to even envolve my Split mode, or Sub receiver in this SIMPLE operation!

> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:18:42 -1000
> From: [hidden email]
> CC: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>
> You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use the
> CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put, only the
> receiver is tuned.
> Merv KH7C
> > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY.
> >
> >
> > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
> > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
> > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer them...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Brendan Minish

Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by The Smiths

But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant
help in this situation in any case.
Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby
strong signals
I don't see how it can help in this siutaton

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote:

> I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow
> Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or
> they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the
> Shift control.
>
> I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that
> I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and
> without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the
> selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an
> unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same
> reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same
> helpful thing with receive???
>
> Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for
> it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in
> his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to
> his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would
> allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well.
> For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post"
> indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't
> work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off.
>
> Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't
> offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things
> so hard is just wondrous to me.
>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > CC: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:56:19 +0000
> >
> > Surely this is an unneeded feature?
> > Isn't the point of SPOT to ensure that you are transmitting on the
> same
> > frequency as the other station.
> > Nothing is gained by exactly tuning the station to match your
> side-tone
> > pitch once rit is engaged.
> > If some guy comes back to you a bit off frequency you can just
> adjust
> > the RIT until the pitch is to your liking. If it's outside the
> filter
> > bandwidth you may not hear him and auto spot can't work it's magic
> > anyway
> >
> > just my thoughts on this
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 20:00 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
> > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN
> BETTER
> > > if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT
> > > ONLY.
> > >
> > >
> > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY
> EASILY
> > > just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your
> Transmitting
> > > Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending
> to
> > > you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
> > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course
> for
> > > those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply
> leave
> > > this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
> > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see
> it
> > > added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer
> > > them...
> >
> > --
> > 73
> > Brendan EI6IZ
> >
>
>
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The Smiths

Re: K3 auto spot function

stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my spot button with it.

People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking for here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the same thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do EVERYTHING I'm asking for.

You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to another band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then use the spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to zero beat the signal..

I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control when the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry about how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's really just that simple.

Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder than they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an engineering degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple man".

This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus out on that one too.

> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> CC: [hidden email]
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000
>
> But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant
> help in this situation in any case.
> Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby
> strong signals
> I don't see how it can help in this siutaton
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
> > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow
> > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or
> > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the
> > Shift control.
> >
> > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that
> > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and
> > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the
> > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an
> > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same
> > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same
> > helpful thing with receive???
> >
> > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for
> > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in
> > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to
> > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would
> > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well.
> > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post"
> > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't
> > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off.
> >
> > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't
> > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things
> > so hard is just wondrous to me.
> >

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n7ws

Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by The Smiths

You seem to have the problem of thinking that some beat frequency that you want to hear is "zero beat" when you have RIT on. "Zero Beat" means that you and the other station are on the same frequency, which clearly you are not if you are parking your transmitter and using RIT to get him tuned to your liking.

You are not asking for automatic zero beat, you are asking for automatic tuning to your desired "beat note". Why turning the RIT knob to approximately center the other station in your receive passband with a comfortable beat note has to be automated is beyond me.

Real zero beating used to be an operator skill; you tuned the other guy in on your receiver, turned on a low level carrier in your transmitter and adjusted its VFO until the two tones matched, i.e, there was no (zero) beat note between them. Assuming of course, that you actually had a VFO to tune and you weren't crystal controlled.

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, The Smiths <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Why are you trying to come up with a harder way of doing
> the same thing? I know what RIT is, I know how to use
> it. Just let me hit the stupid SPOT button and get
> things Zero Beated... Why do I have to even envolve my Split
> mode, or Sub receiver in this SIMPLE operation!
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:18:42 -1000
> > From: [hidden email]
> > CC: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> >
> > You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use
> the
> > CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put,
> only the
> > receiver is tuned.
> > Merv KH7C
> > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But
> wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT,
> then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY.
> > >
> > >
> > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer,
> you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It
> wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be
> perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without
> having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
> > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to
> change. Of course for those that think this is the worst
> idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off
> (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
> > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I
> would love to see it added for people like myself that send
> more CQ's than we answer them...
>

The Smiths

Re: K3 auto spot function

Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa, yet again, you people can't just let something be without over analyzing it. Fine, it's not Zero Beating.. It's Zero Noting.. Now that we have that out of the way...

Having the Spot button perform a similar operation in the RIT mode as it does in the Xmit mode is NOT all that much to ask for. I'm just asking that it move the RIT position to the Pitch note. Plain and simple.. It puts the other person right in the center of the passband for me automatically and makes life much easier.

Yes, I have hands, yes, I have finger, yes I can even turn a knob... but if I can hit a convenient button and have it auto tune the other station to match my Pitch freq. then why not?

Why must all of you over analyze, explain away, or argue with such simple logic.. God only knows how Wayne got any of the other features past you people. Had they come from anyone else's suggestions surely you would have knocked them all down.

So it seems that unless Wayne came up with this handy little idea himself, none of you will ever accept it. It's clearly obvious what's going on here.

> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:53:09 -0800
> From: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>
> You seem to have the problem of thinking that some beat frequency that you want to hear is "zero beat" when you have RIT on. "Zero Beat" means that you and the other station are on the same frequency, which clearly you are not if you are parking your transmitter and using RIT to get him tuned to your liking.
>
> You are not asking for automatic zero beat, you are asking for automatic tuning to your desired "beat note". Why turning the RIT knob to approximately center the other station in your receive passband with a comfortable beat note has to be automated is beyond me.
>
> Real zero beating used to be an operator skill; you tuned the other guy in on your receiver, turned on a low level carrier in your transmitter and adjusted its VFO until the two tones matched, i.e, there was no (zero) beat note between them. Assuming of course, that you actually had a VFO to tune and you weren't crystal controlled.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, The Smiths <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Why are you trying to come up with a harder way of doing
> > the same thing? I know what RIT is, I know how to use
> > it. Just let me hit the stupid SPOT button and get
> > things Zero Beated... Why do I have to even envolve my Split
> > mode, or Sub receiver in this SIMPLE operation!
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:18:42 -1000
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > CC: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> > >
> > > You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use
> > the
> > > CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put,
> > only the
> > > receiver is tuned.
> > > Merv KH7C
> > > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But
> > wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT,
> > then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer,
> > you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It
> > wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be
> > perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without
> > having changed your Transmit freq like it does now.
> > > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to
> > change. Of course for those that think this is the worst
> > idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off
> > (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu.
> > > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I
> > would love to see it added for people like myself that send
> > more CQ's than we answer them...
> >
>
>
>

Brett Howard

Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by The Smiths

Why aren't you willing to give the SPLIT option a try...

Rather than asking someone to code something up for you when someone
gave you a fairly viable option why not try to give that a chance? I
think you could probably get very close to what you want. Heck when
hearing this I thought it might be interesting to try always being in
SPLIT mode with the VFO's linked and then use VFO B as your TX then see
what happens when you hit CWT? When the CWT tunes VFO A does it move B
too? If it does then perhaps you tune with the VFO's linked then when
you enter into a QSO unlink the VFO's and use the CWT feature as you
want. You don't have to get RIT involved you can just use your two
VFO's. I've not tried it yet but I wonder what locking VFO B and tuning
VFO A while they are linked does.. These could be interesting cases
that could allow for some interesting things. Perhaps you'll find a bug
to submit to Wayne and while he's in that section of code he'll
implement your RIT feature?

I see your getting agitated about this and your angry with people for
not seeing things your way but you need the ability to try the ideas of
others and at least try to see things from that side.

My opinion on this feature is that when I'm wanting to use RIT I'd
rather have custom control over it for each instance as I hear different
pitches better in the presence of different types of noise. Therefore I
want the ability to just turn a knob and get things to my preference
quickly. Not to what my preference was when things were quiet and I set
my pitch preference.

Finally stating that people who have engineering degrees can't
understand others personally offends me. I feel that you are the one
having problems understanding as well. The SPLIT suggestion was a valid
one (and your comment saying that it involved the subreceiver is also a
misunderstanding). The subreceiver is not needed to do SPLIT and its
not needed to use the SUB button to link and unlink the VFO's. If you'd
like assistance in trying some of these options I'd be glad to run
through some of them and see how they perform and then help explain
them. I fully understand what you want to do and I might even be able
to spend some time and help you get there with out requesting a change
of the firmware. I even have 2 of those dad burn engineering degrees!
Perhaps the MBA cancels them out?

~Brett (KC7OTG)

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 02:42 +0000, The Smiths wrote:

> stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my spot button with it.
>
>
>
> People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking for here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the same thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do EVERYTHING I'm asking for.
>
> You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to another band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then use the spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to zero beat the signal..
>
>
>
> I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control when the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry about how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's really just that simple.
>
>
>
> Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder than they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an engineering degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple man".
>
>
> This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus out on that one too.
>
>
>
>
> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > CC: [hidden email]
> > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000
> >
> > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant
> > help in this situation in any case.
> > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby
> > strong signals
> > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
> > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow
> > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or
> > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the
> > > Shift control.
> > >
> > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that
> > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and
> > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the
> > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an
> > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same
> > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same
> > > helpful thing with receive???
> > >
> > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for
> > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in
> > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to
> > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would
> > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well.
> > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post"
> > > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't
> > > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off.
> > >
> > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't
> > > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things
> > > so hard is just wondrous to me.
> > >
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Brett Howard

Re: K3 auto spot function

See the problem is going to be in implementation. Do you press RIT then
CWT to make it CWT via the RIT? Do you have CWT always move the RIT
only if RIT is enabled? What does it do if XIT is enabled? I guarantee
you that you have answers to these questions. I also guarantee you that
there are 100 people just as opinionated as yourself with differing
views. They can also be just as loud and vehement in their delivery as
yourself. You want to know why things seem like a good idea when Wayne
does it? Because he can do it and when he does it its done. It takes
no further argument, its already done. If you don't think that
something he's changed has never been followed up with mass discussion
against it you're mistaken there as well.

Again I take offense in your stating that having an engineering degree
gets in the way of simple logic. ALL of these methods are simple logic!
PERIOD. Logic in its very essence is simple. Thus why the logical
solution is often referred to by the lay as the "common sense" solution.
Just because it doesn't fit in line with your solution doesn't make it a
poor choice.

I also don't understand the "mistakes happen" comments that many make
with regard to the SPLIT allowing them to be off frequency and not know
it. There is a very obvious yellow light on the front panel that
indicates this condition.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:01 +0000, The Smiths wrote:

> Sorry Brett,
> but your offer to "help me" has a very condescending tone to it. I'm
> sure you didn't mean it that way so I'll answer your post as if you
> meant it in a "good" manor way.
>
> I have other uses for my sub receiver. I don't choose to lock my two
> VFOs together, which would HAVE to be done in order to accomplish what
> you're asking me to do. I have the sub receiver installed in my rig,
> and when I hit the Split button the sub is then completely rendered
> useless for me to monitor another freq. as I tend to do while waiting
> for the DX to show up on another band.
>
> Secondly, even if I don't choose to monitor a different band with my
> sub receiver, and I do use the method you suggested, this would cause
> me to have to push the A>B button EVERY time I move freq. to send
> another CQ.
> To answer your question, when you "SPOT" with the VFO's linked
> together and have the split mode on, exactly what you suspected would
> happen happens. The Main VFO moves, and the Split mode TX stays the
> same. This accomplishes what you wanted me to have, but it also
> causes my link to be off by that amount of Hz when moving to the next
> spot.
> Now I have to visually monitor my TX Freq. and make sure that I'm
> not accidentally transmitting on some location I don't know I'm on.
> With the RIT control, when you transmit the Main VFO number changes,
> and I can clearly see that I'm transmitting somewhere different than
> where I'm listening. With the split mode on, accidents could
> happen...
> Also, because I'm in CW mode, and I have my CWT text reader on, I
> can't see what Freq. My transmit is on unless I either turn off the
> CWT mode, or move the Sub Receiver knob to see where I'm transmitting.
>
> This just add too much confusion to a simple process by which I can
> hit a single button in RIT mode and achieve the same thing without all
> the A>B, Link the VFO's together, Push the split button, then auto
> Spot, then remember to reset the A>B again when I move to another
> spot 5KCs away to send another CQ.
>
> Yes, once again, your engineering and Masters degree has gotten in the
> way of SIMPLE LOGIC. There's no reason to have to drive in a circle
> when you can just put the car in reverse and drive 3 feet
> backwards. We don't need to over engineer this thing.. PLEASE, I beg
> of you people to just try to take a step backwards and see how simple
> logic works. This is what Average people want.. Not some complicated
> method to do the same thing as ONE button push.
>
> Again, if Wayne didn't think of it, the reflector almost ALWAYS
> rejects it. It seems that no one but Wayne can come up with a "handy"
> feature without this group thinking it's something we don't need.
> This is a sad commentary on the group indeed...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > CC: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:31:11 -0800
> >
> > Why aren't you willing to give the SPLIT option a try...
> >
> > Rather than asking someone to code something up for you when someone
> > gave you a fairly viable option why not try to give that a chance? I
> > think you could probably get very close to what you want. Heck when
> > hearing this I thought it might be interesting to try always being
> in
> > SPLIT mode with the VFO's linked and then use VFO B as your TX then
> see
> > what happens when you hit CWT? When the CWT tunes VFO A does it move
> B
> > too? If it does then perhaps you tune with the VFO's linked then
> when
> > you enter into a QSO unlink the VFO's and use the CWT feature as you
> > want. You don't have to get RIT involved you can just use your two
> > VFO's. I've not tried it yet but I wonder what locking VFO B and
> tuning
> > VFO A while they are linked does.. These could be interesting cases
> > that could allow for some interesting things. Perhaps you'll find a
> bug
> > to submit to Wayne and while he's in that section of code he'll
> > implement your RIT feature?
> >
> > I see your getting agitated about this and your angry with people
> for
> > not seeing things your way but you need the ability to try the ideas
> of
> > others and at least try to see things from that side.
> >
> > My opinion on this feature is that when I'm wanting to use RIT I'd
> > rather have custom control over it for each instance as I hear
> different
> > pitches better in the presence of different types of noise.
> Therefore I
> > want the ability to just turn a knob and get things to my preference
> > quickly. Not to what my preference was when things were quiet and I
> set
> > my pitch preference.
> >
> > Finally stating that people who have engineering degrees can't
> > understand others personally offends me. I feel that you are the one
> > having problems understanding as well. The SPLIT suggestion was a
> valid
> > one (and your comment saying that it involved the subreceiver is
> also a
> > misunderstanding). The subreceiver is not needed to do SPLIT and its
> > not needed to use the SUB button to link and unlink the VFO's. If
> you'd
> > like assistance in trying some of these options I'd be glad to run
> > through some of them and see how they perform and then help explain
> > them. I fully understand what you want to do and I might even be
> able
> > to spend some time and help you get there with out requesting a
> change
> > of the firmware. I even have 2 of those dad burn engineering
> degrees!
> > Perhaps the MBA cancels them out?
> >
> > ~Brett (KC7OTG)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 02:42 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
> > > stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a
> feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL
> the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know
> when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my
> spot button with it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking
> for here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the
> same thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do
> EVERYTHING I'm asking for.
> > >
> > > You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to
> another band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then
> use the spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to
> zero beat the signal..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control
> when the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry
> about how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's
> really just that simple.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder
> than they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an
> engineering degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple
> man".
> > >
> > >
> > > This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the
> clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a
> DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus
> out on that one too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> > > > From: [hidden email]
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > CC: [hidden email]
> > > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000
> > > >
> > > > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it
> cant
> > > > help in this situation in any case.
> > > > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have
> nearby
> > > > strong signals
> > > > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
> > > > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz
> Narrow
> > > > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero
> Beated or
> > > > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find
> with the
> > > > > Shift control.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a
> freq. that
> > > > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY
> and
> > > > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the
> > > > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this
> as an
> > > > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the
> same
> > > > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the
> same
> > > > > helpful thing with receive???
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find
> use for
> > > > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was
> saying in
> > > > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the
> signals to
> > > > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This
> would
> > > > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as
> well.
> > > > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal
> post"
> > > > > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either
> doesn't
> > > > > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far
> off.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It
> doesn't
> > > > > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight
> things
> > > > > so hard is just wondrous to me.
> > > > >
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Bob Cunnings NW8L

Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by The Smiths

Flex/PowerSDR has long had a feature called "Zero Beat – RIT". When
"on", pressing the "0 Beat" button (like CWT) moves the RIT, not the
tx frequency. I once saw an allusion to it in the context of
contesting, where the op keeps tx fixed on a run freq, but wants to
retain the 0 beat option for callers in some cases.

Bob NW8L

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:52 PM, The Smiths <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa, yet again, you people can't just let something be without over analyzing it. Fine, it's not Zero Beating.. It's Zero Noting.. Now that we have that out of the way...
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Re: K3 auto spot function

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Operating SPLIT is so simple. I've never used RIT/XIT

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The Smiths

Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by Bob Cunnings NW8L

Look at that Bob, someone that gets it.. Plain and simple.

You have to watch out though, you're bound to get a person on the reflector that tells you that it's not Zero Beating, it's Zero Toning, or in our case Zero Pitching... Then give you a history of why Zero Beating was a long past skill of Ham radio (which I'm sure it was, as I had to do it too).

It's not the concept that they're compelled to argue with, it's the logic Bob. There in lies the problem.

> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:29:21 -0700
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>
> Flex/PowerSDR has long had a feature called "Zero Beat – RIT". When
> "on", pressing the "0 Beat" button (like CWT) moves the RIT, not the
> tx frequency. I once saw an allusion to it in the context of
> contesting, where the op keeps tx fixed on a run freq, but wants to
> retain the 0 beat option for callers in some cases.
>
> Bob NW8L
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:52 PM, The Smiths <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa, yet again, you people can't just let something be without over analyzing it. Fine, it's not Zero Beating.. It's Zero Noting.. Now that we have that out of the way...
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Brett Howard

Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

The problem is that there are several thousand people who are used to
it working the way it does. What if those people like it the way it
is and they don't want it to only move their RIT? Now they have an
extra menu option. That just not simple you're over complicating it.
;) Leaving it the way it is is the simplest thing to do! So it is
said lets remain simple and keep things as they are! Wouldn't wan to
over think things!

~BTH

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:33 AM, The Smiths <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Stop brett, again, you're OVER engineering this concept.. Can't you just
> stop and use simple logic. Pretend like you're not an engineer.  Let's just
> look at this with some logic. You turn on the RIT, you hit the spot
> button.. it moves the RIT freq ONLY. You turn off the RIT, you push the spot
> button and it moves the TX freq. like it does now. DONE.. Now wasn't that
> easy?
>
> Why does it have to work any different? If the spot button doesn't move the
> Zero Beat freq. now when CWT is off, why would it do it when the RIT is on?
> If the RIT knob doesn't move the XMIT freq unless the XMIT button is pressed
> why in heavens would it with my feature? See, logic.. it works EXACTALLY
> like it does now, except with the RIT button on. ALL OTHER CONDITIONS ARE
> THE SAME AS THEY NEED TO BE, or are NOW.
>
> This feature is OBVIOUSLY for people that SEND CQ and get answers back, this
> is NOT for people that spin the dial answering CQs. When I send a CQ out,
> and the guy answering me is 40Hz away, I push my RIT button, then I hit
> spot.. He's now Zero "toned" with my Pitch freq.  THATS IT! DONE, No more
> engineering, no more programing.. NOTHING.. DONE DONE DONE.
>
> When I want to answer a CQ I turn off the RIT, I find someone on the band, I
> push the SPOT button JUST LIKE I ALWAYS DO, and I Zero Beat the person..
> DONE.. THATS IT.
>
> If this is just too much concept for you to understand than go into the menu
> and turn off the feature... DONE.. SIMPLE.. STOP Over thinking it. It
> sounds to me like you get paid to design things.  Maybe you work in a job
> where you HAVE to think of something to make things harder because your boss
> wants MORE MORE MORE, he can't just settle with "hey bob, that's just how it
> works" Sorry, there's no more to it than that... Sometimes things don't have
> to be hard my friend.. They just work, and anyone with simple logic can
> figure them out.. that's the beauty of it.
>
>
>
>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> CC: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:51:31 -0800
>>
>> See the problem is going to be in implementation. Do you press RIT then
>> CWT to make it CWT via the RIT? Do you have CWT always move the RIT
>> only if RIT is enabled? What does it do if XIT is enabled? I guarantee
>> you that you have answers to these questions. I also guarantee you that
>> there are 100 people just as opinionated as yourself with differing
>> views. They can also be just as loud and vehement in their delivery as
>> yourself. You want to know why things seem like a good idea when Wayne
>> does it? Because he can do it and when he does it its done. It takes
>> no further argument, its already done. If you don't think that
>> something he's changed has never been followed up with mass discussion
>> against it you're mistaken there as well.
>>
>> Again I take offense in your stating that having an engineering degree
>> gets in the way of simple logic. ALL of these methods are simple logic!
>> PERIOD. Logic in its very essence is simple. Thus why the logical
>> solution is often referred to by the lay as the "common sense" solution.
>> Just because it doesn't fit in line with your solution doesn't make it a
>> poor choice.
>>
>> I also don't understand the "mistakes happen" comments that many make
>> with regard to the SPLIT allowing them to be off frequency and not know
>> it. There is a very obvious yellow light on the front panel that
>> indicates this condition.
>>
>> ~Brett (KC7OTG)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:01 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
>> > Sorry Brett,
>> > but your offer to "help me" has a very condescending tone to it. I'm
>> > sure you didn't mean it that way so I'll answer your post as if you
>> > meant it in a "good" manor way.
>> >
>> > I have other uses for my sub receiver. I don't choose to lock my two
>> > VFOs together, which would HAVE to be done in order to accomplish what
>> > you're asking me to do. I have the sub receiver installed in my rig,
>> > and when I hit the Split button the sub is then completely rendered
>> > useless for me to monitor another freq. as I tend to do while waiting
>> > for the DX to show up on another band.
>> >
>> > Secondly, even if I don't choose to monitor a different band with my
>> > sub receiver, and I do use the method you suggested, this would cause
>> > me to have to push the A>B button EVERY time I move freq. to send
>> > another CQ.
>> > To answer your question, when you "SPOT" with the VFO's linked
>> > together and have the split mode on, exactly what you suspected would
>> > happen happens. The Main VFO moves, and the Split mode TX stays the
>> > same. This accomplishes what you wanted me to have, but it also
>> > causes my link to be off by that amount of Hz when moving to the next
>> > spot.
>> > Now I have to visually monitor my TX Freq. and make sure that I'm
>> > not accidentally transmitting on some location I don't know I'm on.
>> > With the RIT control, when you transmit the Main VFO number changes,
>> > and I can clearly see that I'm transmitting somewhere different than
>> > where I'm listening. With the split mode on, accidents could
>> > happen...
>> > Also, because I'm in CW mode, and I have my CWT text reader on, I
>> > can't see what Freq. My transmit is on unless I either turn off the
>> > CWT mode, or move the Sub Receiver knob to see where I'm transmitting.
>> >
>> > This just add too much confusion to a simple process by which I can
>> > hit a single button in RIT mode and achieve the same thing without all
>> > the A>B, Link the VFO's together, Push the split button, then auto
>> > Spot, then remember to reset the A>B again when I move to another
>> > spot 5KCs away to send another CQ.
>> >
>> > Yes, once again, your engineering and Masters degree has gotten in the
>> > way of SIMPLE LOGIC. There's no reason to have to drive in a circle
>> > when you can just put the car in reverse and drive 3 feet
>> > backwards. We don't need to over engineer this thing.. PLEASE, I beg
>> > of you people to just try to take a step backwards and see how simple
>> > logic works. This is what Average people want.. Not some complicated
>> > method to do the same thing as ONE button push.
>> >
>> > Again, if Wayne didn't think of it, the reflector almost ALWAYS
>> > rejects it. It seems that no one but Wayne can come up with a "handy"
>> > feature without this group thinking it's something we don't need.
>> > This is a sad commentary on the group indeed...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>> > > From: [hidden email]
>> > > To: [hidden email]
>> > > CC: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:31:11 -0800
>> > >
>> > > Why aren't you willing to give the SPLIT option a try...
>> > >
>> > > Rather than asking someone to code something up for you when someone
>> > > gave you a fairly viable option why not try to give that a chance? I
>> > > think you could probably get very close to what you want. Heck when
>> > > hearing this I thought it might be interesting to try always being
>> > in
>> > > SPLIT mode with the VFO's linked and then use VFO B as your TX then
>> > see
>> > > what happens when you hit CWT? When the CWT tunes VFO A does it move
>> > B
>> > > too? If it does then perhaps you tune with the VFO's linked then
>> > when
>> > > you enter into a QSO unlink the VFO's and use the CWT feature as you
>> > > want. You don't have to get RIT involved you can just use your two
>> > > VFO's. I've not tried it yet but I wonder what locking VFO B and
>> > tuning
>> > > VFO A while they are linked does.. These could be interesting cases
>> > > that could allow for some interesting things. Perhaps you'll find a
>> > bug
>> > > to submit to Wayne and while he's in that section of code he'll
>> > > implement your RIT feature?
>> > >
>> > > I see your getting agitated about this and your angry with people
>> > for
>> > > not seeing things your way but you need the ability to try the ideas
>> > of
>> > > others and at least try to see things from that side.
>> > >
>> > > My opinion on this feature is that when I'm wanting to use RIT I'd
>> > > rather have custom control over it for each instance as I hear
>> > different
>> > > pitches better in the presence of different types of noise.
>> > Therefore I
>> > > want the ability to just turn a knob and get things to my preference
>> > > quickly. Not to what my preference was when things were quiet and I
>> > set
>> > > my pitch preference.
>> > >
>> > > Finally stating that people who have engineering degrees can't
>> > > understand others personally offends me. I feel that you are the one
>> > > having problems understanding as well. The SPLIT suggestion was a
>> > valid
>> > > one (and your comment saying that it involved the subreceiver is
>> > also a
>> > > misunderstanding). The subreceiver is not needed to do SPLIT and its
>> > > not needed to use the SUB button to link and unlink the VFO's. If
>> > you'd
>> > > like assistance in trying some of these options I'd be glad to run
>> > > through some of them and see how they perform and then help explain
>> > > them. I fully understand what you want to do and I might even be
>> > able
>> > > to spend some time and help you get there with out requesting a
>> > change
>> > > of the firmware. I even have 2 of those dad burn engineering
>> > degrees!
>> > > Perhaps the MBA cancels them out?
>> > >
>> > > ~Brett (KC7OTG)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 02:42 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
>> > > > stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a
>> > feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL
>> > the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know
>> > when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my
>> > spot button with it.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking
>> > for here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the
>> > same thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do
>> > EVERYTHING I'm asking for.
>> > > >
>> > > > You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to
>> > another band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then
>> > use the spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to
>> > zero beat the signal..
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control
>> > when the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry
>> > about how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's
>> > really just that simple.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder
>> > than they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an
>> > engineering degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple
>> > man".
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the
>> > clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a
>> > DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus
>> > out on that one too.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
>> > > > > From: [hidden email]
>> > > > > To: [hidden email]
>> > > > > CC: [hidden email]
>> > > > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000
>> > > > >
>> > > > > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it
>> > cant
>> > > > > help in this situation in any case.
>> > > > > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have
>> > nearby
>> > > > > strong signals
>> > > > > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
>> > > > > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz
>> > Narrow
>> > > > > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero
>> > Beated or
>> > > > > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find
>> > with the
>> > > > > > Shift control.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a
>> > freq. that
>> > > > > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY
>> > and
>> > > > > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the
>> > > > > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this
>> > as an
>> > > > > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the
>> > same
>> > > > > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the
>> > same
>> > > > > > helpful thing with receive???
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find
>> > use for
>> > > > > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was
>> > saying in
>> > > > > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the
>> > signals to
>> > > > > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This
>> > would
>> > > > > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as
>> > well.
>> > > > > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal
>> > post"
>> > > > > > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either
>> > doesn't
>> > > > > > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far
>> > off.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It
>> > doesn't
>> > > > > > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight
>> > things
>> > > > > > so hard is just wondrous to me.
>> > > > > >
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Re: K3 auto spot function

In reply to this post by The Smiths

Here is a macro that does most of what you are asking for (no it doesn't
use rit it uses the Sub RX)

it makes a few assumptions

1/ that you are already in CW-T mode, you would need to be in this mode
to use auto spot anyway
2/ that it's ok to grab VFO B and make it the TX VFO

here's the macro
FT0;RT0;LN0;DV0;SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;SWT42;

First get to a consistent state
FT0; transmit VFOA
RT0; rx vfo A
LN0; unlink the 2 vfo's
DV0; Diversity mode off

SWT13;
SWT13; (twice, copies all parameters to VFOB)
SWH13; Turns split on
SWT42; activates Auto Spot

I tried coding in a couple of commands to enable CW-T then disable it
again when the macro was finished but this didn't work too well as CW-T
was being disabled before the spot routine had finished

Use the K3 utility to load the macro, then assign it to a shortcut
button and you have 1 button access to this from the radio. Only use
one press as further presses will move the txvfo as well. use the normal
spot button if you need to try again.

I have tried it, it works. there may be a better way to code this macro

I can still see no use whatsoever for this 'feature' but that is simply
my Personal opinion.

73's
Brendan EI6IZ

The Smiths wrote:

> stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a
> feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL
> the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know
> when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my
> spot button with it.
>
> People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking for
> here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the same
> thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do
> EVERYTHING I'm asking for.
> You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to another
> band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then use the
> spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to zero beat the
> signal..
>
> I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control when
> the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry about
> how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's
> really just that simple.
>
> Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder than
> they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an engineering
> degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple man".
>
> 1. This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the
> clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it
> with a DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to
> figure the menus out on that one too.
>
>
>
>
> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > CC: [hidden email]
> > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000
> >
> > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant
> > help in this situation in any case.
> > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby
> > strong signals
> > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote:
> > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow
> > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or
> > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the
> > > Shift control.
> > >
> > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that
> > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and
> > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the
> > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an
> > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same
> > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same
> > > helpful thing with receive???
> > >
> > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for
> > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in
> > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to
> > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would
> > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well.
> > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post"
> > > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't
> > > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off.
> > >
> > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't
> > > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things
> > > so hard is just wondrous to me.
> > >
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