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k5oai

K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

I run my K3 with 'CW in SSB' enabled
this is found under CONFIG: CW WGHT
Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes)

My problem is, while in SSB,
I often use the [VOX-QSK] button to turn the mike/vox off,
because I am trying to prevent any unintended transmissions.

all goes well unless I happen to bump my cw keyer
and then the K3 starts sending a string of dits or dahs :-(

if I also have the audio volume down,
I don't even know I'm transmitting *NOT GOOD*
because with the nice quiet solid state relays
there is no keying kerchunk like I hear when my amp is keyed.

so my request is this
if 'CW in SSB' is set on
and the K3 is in SSB
when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
can you somehow tell the software
to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?

TIA

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GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

Please *DON'T!* disable CW in SSB when SSB VOX is off. I never use
VOX on phone and use CW in SSB regularly. This requested change
would break CW in SSB for anyone who does not use VOX on phone.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 3/21/2013 2:45 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

> I run my K3 with 'CW in SSB' enabled
> this is found under CONFIG: CW WGHT
> Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes)
>
> My problem is, while in SSB,
> I often use the [VOX-QSK] button to turn the mike/vox off,
> because I am trying to prevent any unintended transmissions.
>
> all goes well unless I happen to bump my cw keyer
> and then the K3 starts sending a string of dits or dahs :-(
>
> if I also have the audio volume down,
> I don't even know I'm transmitting *NOT GOOD*
> because with the nice quiet solid state relays
> there is no keying kerchunk like I hear when my amp is keyed.
>
> so my request is this
> if 'CW in SSB' is set on
> and the K3 is in SSB
> when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
> can you somehow tell the software
> to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
> to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?
>
> TIA
>
>

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Stephen G4SJP

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

I wholeheartedly agree with Joe, such a change would completely remove the
value of the feature.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 21 March 2013 19:13, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Please *DON'T!* disable CW in SSB when SSB VOX is off. I never use
> VOX on phone and use CW in SSB regularly. This requested change
> would break CW in SSB for anyone who does not use VOX on phone.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 3/21/2013 2:45 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:
>
>> I run my K3 with 'CW in SSB' enabled
>> this is found under CONFIG: CW WGHT
>> Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes)
>>
>> My problem is, while in SSB,
>> I often use the [VOX-QSK] button to turn the mike/vox off,
>> because I am trying to prevent any unintended transmissions.
>>
>> all goes well unless I happen to bump my cw keyer
>> and then the K3 starts sending a string of dits or dahs :-(
>>
>> if I also have the audio volume down,
>> I don't even know I'm transmitting *NOT GOOD*
>> because with the nice quiet solid state relays
>> there is no keying kerchunk like I hear when my amp is keyed.
>>
>> so my request is this
>> if 'CW in SSB' is set on
>> and the K3 is in SSB
>> when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
>> can you somehow tell the software
>> to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
>> to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
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N5GE

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

I use CW when in SSB when on 6m a lot, but I jeep the paddles in a
clear area where nothing can touch them except my thumb and
forefinger. Even then I bump them anyway.

Joe is right! We don't need changes to the K3 to protect us from
making mistakes.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:13:12 -0400, "Joe Subich, W4TV"
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>Please *DON'T!* disable CW in SSB when SSB VOX is off. I never use
>VOX on phone and use CW in SSB regularly. This requested change
>would break CW in SSB for anyone who does not use VOX on phone.
>
>73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>On 3/21/2013 2:45 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:
>> I run my K3 with 'CW in SSB' enabled
>> this is found under CONFIG: CW WGHT
>> Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes)
>>
>> My problem is, while in SSB,
>> I often use the [VOX-QSK] button to turn the mike/vox off,
>> because I am trying to prevent any unintended transmissions.
>>
>> all goes well unless I happen to bump my cw keyer
>> and then the K3 starts sending a string of dits or dahs :-(
>>
>> if I also have the audio volume down,
>> I don't even know I'm transmitting *NOT GOOD*
>> because with the nice quiet solid state relays
>> there is no keying kerchunk like I hear when my amp is keyed.
>>
>> so my request is this
>> if 'CW in SSB' is set on
>> and the K3 is in SSB
>> when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
>> can you somehow tell the software
>> to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
>> to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

In reply to this post by k5oai

Sam,

Could I offer a suggestion? Hold the right side of the mode button to
put the K3 into TX TEST to prevent any RF from going out if the K3 is
falsely triggered into transmit.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/21/2013 2:45 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

ke9uw

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

In reply to this post by k5oai

No...please Elecraft don't limit everyone because someone bumps his keyer...unless it's optional.

Chuck, KE9UW
AARL, CCA
Lionel Trains TCA, LCCA, LRRC
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

I run my K3 with 'CW in SSB' enabled
this is found under CONFIG: CW WGHT
Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes)

My problem is, while in SSB,
I often use the [VOX-QSK] button to turn the mike/vox off,
because I am trying to prevent any unintended transmissions.

all goes well unless I happen to bump my cw keyer
and then the K3 starts sending a string of dits or dahs :-(

if I also have the audio volume down,
I don't even know I'm transmitting *NOT GOOD*
because with the nice quiet solid state relays
there is no keying kerchunk like I hear when my amp is keyed.

so my request is this
if 'CW in SSB' is set on
and the K3 is in SSB
when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
can you somehow tell the software
to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?

TIA

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GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Gary Gregory-2

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

No option necessary. Pay attention to where those pesky fingers go....:-)

73

Gary
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On 22/03/2013 7:08 AM, "hawley, charles j jr" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No...please Elecraft don't limit everyone because someone bumps his
> keyer...unless it's optional.
>
> Chuck, KE9UW
> AARL, CCA
> Lionel Trains TCA, LCCA, LRRC
> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWRA, BMWMOA #224
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
> on behalf of Sam Morgan [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:45 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change
>
> I run my K3 with 'CW in SSB' enabled
> this is found under CONFIG: CW WGHT
> Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes)
>
> My problem is, while in SSB,
> I often use the [VOX-QSK] button to turn the mike/vox off,
> because I am trying to prevent any unintended transmissions.
>
> all goes well unless I happen to bump my cw keyer
> and then the K3 starts sending a string of dits or dahs :-(
>
> if I also have the audio volume down,
> I don't even know I'm transmitting *NOT GOOD*
> because with the nice quiet solid state relays
> there is no keying kerchunk like I hear when my amp is keyed.
>
> so my request is this
> if 'CW in SSB' is set on
> and the K3 is in SSB
> when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
> can you somehow tell the software
> to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
> to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?
>
> TIA
>
>
> --
>
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
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w7xu

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the request, but it doesn't seem like
a good idea to me.

Imagine I'm on 6m during a contest with CW in SSB enabled.
I'm keying the radio with the computer, so I have the VOX-QSK
button set to PTT. I'm on phone, but I want to answer someone
on CW. So now I won't be able to send CW without engaging
the VOX? Or, if I was using the radio with a transverter, I'd
have to run VOX and likely blow up my preamp?

Sorry, but I'd vote no on that.

73, Arliss W7XU

> so my request is this
> if 'CW in SSB' is set on
> and the K3 is in SSB
> when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
> can you somehow tell the software
> to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
> to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?
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k5oai

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

DUH,
what an excellent idea, and such a simple fix
I with draw my misguided request
(optional of course, didn't realize I needed to say that)
and I apologize for any fear of change it may have fostered in some....

GB all

On 3/21/2013 3:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Could I offer a suggestion? Hold the right side of the mode button to put the
> K3 into TX TEST to prevent any RF from going out if the K3 is falsely triggered
> into transmit.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/21/2013 2:45 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:
>> I run my K3 with 'CW in SSB' enabled
>> this is found under CONFIG: CW WGHT
>> Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes)
>>
>> My problem is, while in SSB,
>> I often use the [VOX-QSK] button to turn the mike/vox off,
>> because I am trying to prevent any unintended transmissions.
>>
>> all goes well unless I happen to bump my cw keyer
>> and then the K3 starts sending a string of dits or dahs :-(
>>
>> if I also have the audio volume down,
>> I don't even know I'm transmitting *NOT GOOD*
>> because with the nice quiet solid state relays
>> there is no keying kerchunk like I hear when my amp is keyed.
>>
>> so my request is this
>> if 'CW in SSB' is set on
>> and the K3 is in SSB
>> when the [VOX-QSK] button is pushed to turn the mike/vox off
>> can you somehow tell the software
>> to also *not* allow my cw key or keyer
>> to cause the K3 to transmit the cw tones?
>
>

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GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Michael Adams

Re: K3 feature request 'CW in SSB' change

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

The "put the K3 in TEST mode" has the additional advantage of requiring no
additional work for someone who just turns the VOX off when not actively
using the powered-up radio. Just push-and-hold a different button.

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Poquonock, Connecticut | [hidden email]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Could I offer a suggestion? Hold the right side of the mode button to put
> the K3 into TX TEST to prevent any RF from going out if the K3 is falsely
> triggered into transmit.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>