K3 filter presets I/II: present and future functionality
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K3 filter presets I/II: present and future functionality
 
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Do you find the DSP/XFIL filter presets, I/II, useful? If you haven't
tried them yet, please do. Here's the short version: In each mode, there are two presets (you can also think of them as "configurations"). Each preset is just a combination of DSP settings and the corresponding automatic crystal filter selection. They're intended to be set to match the present operating situation. First, set up preset I the way you like it, then switch to preset II and do the same. From then on, you can go back and forth between them. For example, you might want narrow and wide settings in CW mode. Or in SSB mode you might want one setting that's normalized to the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz crystal filter, and another that's shifted down and narrowed somewhat. Our firmware field testers have suggested a different way of using these. Rather than have the presets "float" (change every time you move the DSP controls), they'd like to see them "fixed" (so that they don't change unless you specifically modify them via a menu entry, etc.). This change is more significant than it sounds. Instead of having two freely-changing presets (configurations) that you go between, you'd now have just one working configuration. When you hold I/II, you would be loading either of the *saved* preset values into it. It would be similar to recalling a saved frequency memory which gets loaded into a VFO. Both the working configuration and the two saved presets would still be independent for each mode. Before we make any changes, I'd like to know: - if you use presets at all - if you like the new proposal better (making them fixed) This is the beauty of firmware: it's malleable. No need to keep functionality if it gets zero positive feedback. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Wayne,
> Before we make any changes, I'd like to know: > > - if you use presets at all > - if you like the new proposal better (making them fixed) > The easy answer is, allow both modi. The use can choose in a menu which way he wants the function. Up to now I have not used the I/II filters very much, but could easily see two configurable "standard" presets per mode as very useful. vy 73 de toby _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Greetings:
I use the I/II switch especially when coupled with HRD DM718 in PSK-31 mode. With the switch setting to a previous wide (I) setting, I see the whole waterfall "spectrum", pick a signal, click the DM718 "centering" which autosets the K3 freq to the center of the bandpass, click the I/II which selects the previous 50hz bw setting. End of QSO, click the I/II and go back to wide setting waterfall "spectrum" or reselect the quick PSK-31 K3 memory if it was a far frequency excursion. I discovered this after constant knob twisting back and forth between the wide and 50hz setting, sometimes going the wrong way.. Count me as a user. R. Linder wb7ond |
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Yes, I use the presets, and I agree with the field testers as to the change.
I would like to be able to return to fixed settings that I program and are stored. That way I always have a familiar starting point that works best in most situations, but that I can adjust further to customize for the particular signal I'm listening to. With the current setup, I feel I get lost and can't return to a familiar place. While we're at it, in Data mode I can't seem to get to a wide filter setting, which is important to find and initially tune in a station. Data seems to default to a very sharp filter (50 hz) that makes it difficult to tune in a station at the outset. Thanks for asking. Les WB6MND
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Re: K3 filter presets I/II: present and futurefunctionality
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WB6MND wrote:
> I would like to be able to return to fixed settings that I program > and are stored. That way I always have a familiar starting point > that works best in most situations, but that I can adjust further to > customize for the particular signal I'm listening to. Though I haven't received my K3 yet, I strongly agree. Bill W5WVO _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: K3 filter presets I/II: present and futurefunctionality
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My K3 won't be here for another month, but I also would prefer the Presets I
and II that return to the programmed values. I would also like the S meter to give the same reading with different selections of preamp and attenuator. Thanks and 73 ... Craig AC0DS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I would prefer to have it two ways. As it is now and a favorite programmable
"starting point set" for each of the modes SSB, CW, FSK, and Data. Thanks, Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin 1775 Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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<quote author="wayne burdick"> Before we make any changes, I'd like to know: - if you use presets at all - if you like the new proposal better (making them fixed) ---- When running in a multi-op contest station, for a while anyway with some unfamiliar with K3, would be better to have well thought out presets to get back to instead of rousting the "expert" out of the sack to put filter settings back in a workable state. Think we will have all positions running K3's before long. Thanks, Guy K2AV. |
Re: K3 filter presets I/II: present and futurefunctionality
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Les, WB6MND wrote:
> I would like to be able to return to fixed settings that I program and are > stored. That way I always have a familiar starting point that works best > in > most situations, but that I can adjust further to customize for the > particular signal I'm listening to. > > With the current setup, I feel I get lost and can't return to a familiar > place. Me too. And thanks for asking, Wayne. 73 to all Geoff G3UCK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I haven't used them much. I do tend to forget I'm modifying a config and
then of course, can't get back to it quickly. I find I'm pressing 'NORM' a lot, so I think perhaps I would prefer to set this up with presets. It's not clear to me how I would set these up per mode, I'd prefer to have 2 presets per mode and switch between them with a HOLD of I/II, and of course just be able to move away from the preset with controls and get back to it with a HOLD of I/II (I'm assuming you wouldn't want to change the TAP function of I/II. Here's how I see it might be done: To use them : Just a HOLD of I/II to switch to I or II depending upon where you start. Then if you move away from that setting, by say reducing the width further, a HOLD of I/II returns you to the preset you were using before you moved away. To indicate where your at: Once a preset is chosen as above, either I or II is displayed. If you then move away from that, I or II blinks, indicating you started there, but have changed the settings slightly. If you haven't set (and stored) a preset for a specific mode, I and II blink alternately or neither show or perhaps the one or both not set flash very rapidly. I don't expect this scenario would last long, since most people would set up from day 1. To set them, one of two scenarios: 1. A long HOLD (like moving RIT to VFO) of I/II, followed by a press of either the 1 or 2 button (on RH keypad) or 2. Start with either preset I or II, the one you wish to change. Make changes as you wish and then a long HOLD of I/II If you feel using TAP functionality of say I/II is acceptable, then HOLD above becomes TAP and long HOLD becomes HOLD. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 > On 29/02/2008 20:24, "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> sent: > Before we make any changes, I'd like to know: > - if you use presets at all > - if you like the new proposal better (making them fixed) -- Soon silence will have passed into legend. Man has turned his back on silence. Day after day he invents machines and devices that increase noise and distract humanity from the essence of life, contemplation, meditation. Tooting, howling, screeching, booming, crashing, whistling, grinding, and trilling bolster his ego. -Jean Arp, artist and poet (1887-1948) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On 080229 21:24 , "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Before we make any changes, I'd like to know: > > - if you use presets at all > - if you like the new proposal better (making them fixed) > > This is the beauty of firmware: it's malleable. No need to keep > functionality if it gets zero positive feedback. Wayne, I tend to agree with the beta testers. I like the idea of those filter presets, but I haven't used them much because of the floating functionality. I would prefer to use them for quick recall of my favourite with/filter settings. 73 de Björn /SM0MDG _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I understand that and I also guess quite a few would be - you have a very
valid point. how about not displaying either I or II if you move the settings away from the preset? On 02/03/2008 12:20, "Brett Howard" <[hidden email]> sent: > For the record I'm more for as few things blinking as possible unless > its very necessary that action is taken. > > > On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 11:14 +0000, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: > >> I haven't used them much. I do tend to forget I'm modifying a config and >> then of course, can't get back to it quickly. I find I'm pressing 'NORM' a >> lot, so I think perhaps I would prefer to set this up with presets. >> >> It's not clear to me how I would set these up per mode, I'd prefer to have 2 >> presets per mode and switch between them with a HOLD of I/II, and of course >> just be able to move away from the preset with controls and get back to it >> with a HOLD of I/II (I'm assuming you wouldn't want to change the TAP >> function of I/II. >> >> Here's how I see it might be done: >> >> To use them : >> Just a HOLD of I/II to switch to I or II depending upon where you start. >> Then if you move away from that setting, by say reducing the width further, >> a HOLD of I/II returns you to the preset you were using before you moved >> away. >> >> To indicate where your at: >> Once a preset is chosen as above, either I or II is displayed. >> If you then move away from that, I or II blinks, indicating you started >> there, but have changed the settings slightly. >> If you haven't set (and stored) a preset for a specific mode, I and II blink >> alternately or neither show or perhaps the one or both not set flash very >> rapidly. I don't expect this scenario would last long, since most people >> would set up from day 1. >> >> To set them, one of two scenarios: >> 1. A long HOLD (like moving RIT to VFO) of I/II, followed by a press of >> either the 1 or 2 button (on RH keypad) >> or >> 2. Start with either preset I or II, the one you wish to change. Make >> changes as you wish and then a long HOLD of I/II >> >> >> If you feel using TAP functionality of say I/II is acceptable, then HOLD >> above becomes TAP and long HOLD becomes HOLD. >> >> 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 >> >>> On 29/02/2008 20:24, "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]> sent: >>> Before we make any changes, I'd like to know: >>> - if you use presets at all >>> - if you like the new proposal better (making them fixed) >> -- Math Anxiety: an intense lifelong fear of two trains approaching each other at speeds of 60 and 80 MPH. -Rick Bayan _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 3/1/2008 10:51 AM, Geoffrey Downs wrote:
>Les, WB6MND wrote: > > >>I would like to be able to return to fixed settings that I program and are >>stored. That way I always have a familiar starting point that works best in >>most situations, but that I can adjust further to customize for the >>particular signal I'm listening to. >> >>With the current setup, I feel I get lost and can't return to a familiar >>place. > >Me too. And thanks for asking, Wayne. > >73 to all > >Geoff >G3UCK I agree with this opinion, I would like a programmable fixed setting. Having transitioned from another brand of radio that had three filter presets, I thought I would miss them in the K3. I liked the idea of cycling through three different filters to find which one suited the conditions at the time. But as I used the K3 more and more, I found that I wasn't switching from I to II at all. I learned that I could dynamically manipulate the filter with the width control (or hi/lo cut) to my liking. But I would get "lost" occasionally and having a preset "home" is a good idea. You can use the NORM setting, but that is factory preset. Having the user adjust the NORM setting would be a good idea. Switching quickly back and forth between two filters is also a desired function, but the delay in the "push and hold" activation of I and II seems too long to make that function useful in a quickly changing environment. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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