K3 front panel assembly

[Charly]

someone said:  "good cw rigs...  since that's an obsolete mode, it's like
shoes with button hooks. "

Of course, he doesn't mean it and here is the story:

There is no "obsolete" in ham radio, just as there is no "obsolete" in
collecting and driving Model T cars, or using a wind-up clock, or the like.  
Ham radio must come to terms with the fact that it is a hobby, no longer
cutting edge technology (for the vast most part) which few of us could
afford anyway if we could obtain it.

The FUN of ham radio is making things work... CW or tube radios, or whatever
and thus "obsolete" is out of the picture.  I owns classic Collins because I
love to look at it.

73

Charles Harpole
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[Julian, G4ILO]

Is that supposed to be a compliment?

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On 9/6/07, Charles Harpole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Again I say, the K3 will be the IC 706 of the new century.
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[Julian, G4ILO]

Living in a densely populated area like I do and with indoor antennas
- no chance!

If my 10 watts can't make a particular contact then it's no big deal
to me. It's only a hobby, a pastime, not life or death communications,
not worth causing interference to the neighbours. I don't understand
why people have to get so competitive about radio. The ordinary
business of making a living in the real world is competitive enough
for me. Getting my web pages on to the first page of Google search
results is a more worthwhile challenge than trying to work a bunch of
guys perched on a piece of rock in the Pacific Ocean. What I want from
a hobby is relaxation.

The thrill I get from making contacts with low power more than makes
up for the ones I don't make, many of which 100W might not have made
either.

I envy those who can put up towers and beams and run high power, but
it's just like I envy those who run luxury cars, or own a yacht or a
villa in the south of France. It would be nice to have those things,
but I don't need them, and don't imagine I will ever be able to afford
them, so I don't lose any sleep over not having them.
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On 9/6/07, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Just wait until you see the Elecraft 1500w power amp - I bet you'll have
> your order sent off within 48 hours.
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[N2EY]

In a message dated 9/6/07 3:52:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I don't understand
> why people have to get so competitive about radio.

Because, for some folks, it's fun to compete.

Why do folks do amateur sports competitively? (As soon as you start keeping
score and following specific rules, you're being competitive).

And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on HF 75+
years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and oscilator
transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the improvements in our
methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio
competition of various kinds.

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 [hidden email] wrote:

> In a message dated 9/6/07 3:52:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [hidden email] writes:
>
>
>> I don't understand
>> why people have to get so competitive about radio.
>
> Because, for some folks, it's fun to compete.

So, with today's trends in education to prohibit personal responsibility and to
shelter the youngsters from the negative aspects of competition, does that mean
we  can look forward to a standstill in radio, since you stated:

> All of the improvements in our
> methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct results of radio
> competition of various kinds.

If they can't play competitive sports because their delicate personalities might
get injured, how can we expect them to enter a contest where they might not
win?

All of the improvements are direct result of competition?  So none of them were
made simply to satisfy the creator, or give him/her what he/she wanted that was
not driven by competition?

There are most likely a small number of folks who go about life meeting or
exceding their own standards, and don't gague their happiness or suceess on the
basis of "beating" someone else.

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[Julian, G4ILO]

On 9/6/07, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

>  Because, for some folks, it's fun to compete.

OK, I'll believe you. But some of the folks getting antsy in a pile-up
don't sound like they are having much fun, do they?

>  And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on HF 75+
> years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and oscilator
> transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the improvements in
> our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct
> results of radio competition of various kinds.

But it does put into perspective the need for high power and high
specs, doesn't it. :)

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[Brett gazdzinski-2]

I do wonder what Elecraft could come up with if
size, weight, and power consumption were not an issue.
It would likely be a rig I would really like, as there
are plenty of small rigs out there.

They don’t need to go head to head with the major manufacturers
if they don’t want to, they can sell what they sell and how they
want to sell it, and be as big or as little as they want.

My guess is they want to sell zillions of K3's though, with all
the jetting around to hamfests.

If the K4 was twice the size of the K3, and had four times
the knobs and buttons on it, and had the K3 performance, I bet they
would sell even more of them then K3's, at a higher price.

I don’t see why Elecraft could not get very large in short order,
as no one has the range and performance they do, kits, small rigs,
top end performing rigs, medium size rigs, backpack rigs, antenna tuners,
amplifiers, and with the K4, big deluxe rigs.

I hope they will expand and bring out more products faster, while
reducing the individual workload so they don’t burn out.




Brett
N2DTS

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
>
> Much as I want to like the little company that could,
> Elecraft folks need to
> recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer
> base, they are
> now reaching another type of customer with the advanced K3.  This new
> customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the
> QRP and toy rigs
> niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft.
>
> Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too
> old), back
> packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn).  I assemble to save
> money, not
> much for the fun.  I like operating, not tinkering.  I
> purchase based on
> outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys.
>
> Message then to Elecraft, provided free here altho a
> marketing consultant
> would cost plenty, is to wake up to their new added customer base and
> understand that forgiveness in
> timely notices of shipment
> advance manual availability
> clear specs on rig (that are stated in the same terms as good
> ole Sherwood
> and that do not have the > or the < mark)
> and clear info on the full range of products, such as the Heil K2
> mic/headphones,
> can be expected to be met with only a polite patience that
> can be exhausted
> soon.
>
> It is a new and exciting ...and challenging.... day for
> Elecraft.  They have
> entered the big leagues and clearly challenge ICOM and Yaesu
> (and ORION).  
> Marketing info will need to measure up too.
>
> PS... keep my order for a K3 active, please.....  73
>
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[Matt Palmer-4]

I would rather see them expanding into a surface mount miniaturized
version of the k2 with improved performance for a k4.

Matt KD8DAO

On 9/6/07, Brett gazdzinski <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I do wonder what Elecraft could come up with if
> size, weight, and power consumption were not an issue.
> It would likely be a rig I would really like, as there
> are plenty of small rigs out there.
>
> They don't need to go head to head with the major manufacturers
> if they don't want to, they can sell what they sell and how they
> want to sell it, and be as big or as little as they want.
>
> My guess is they want to sell zillions of K3's though, with all
> the jetting around to hamfests.
>
> If the K4 was twice the size of the K3, and had four times
> the knobs and buttons on it, and had the K3 performance, I bet they
> would sell even more of them then K3's, at a higher price.
>
> I don't see why Elecraft could not get very large in short order,
> as no one has the range and performance they do, kits, small rigs,
> top end performing rigs, medium size rigs, backpack rigs, antenna tuners,
> amplifiers, and with the K4, big deluxe rigs.
>
> I hope they will expand and bring out more products faster, while
> reducing the individual workload so they don't burn out.
>
>
>
>
> Brett
> N2DTS
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
> >
> > Much as I want to like the little company that could,
> > Elecraft folks need to
> > recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer
> > base, they are
> > now reaching another type of customer with the advanced K3.  This new
> > customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the
> > QRP and toy rigs
> > niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft.
> >
> > Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too
> > old), back
> > packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn).  I assemble to save
> > money, not
> > much for the fun.  I like operating, not tinkering.  I
> > purchase based on
> > outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys.
> >
> > Message then to Elecraft, provided free here altho a
> > marketing consultant
> > would cost plenty, is to wake up to their new added customer base and
> > understand that forgiveness in
> > timely notices of shipment
> > advance manual availability
> > clear specs on rig (that are stated in the same terms as good
> > ole Sherwood
> > and that do not have the > or the < mark)
> > and clear info on the full range of products, such as the Heil K2
> > mic/headphones,
> > can be expected to be met with only a polite patience that
> > can be exhausted
> > soon.
> >
> > It is a new and exciting ...and challenging.... day for
> > Elecraft.  They have
> > entered the big leagues and clearly challenge ICOM and Yaesu
> > (and ORION).
> > Marketing info will need to measure up too.
> >
> > PS... keep my order for a K3 active, please.....  73
> >
> > Charles Harpole,   HS0ZCW
> > [hidden email]
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[Julian, G4ILO]

If the end result of that would be a battery powered radio the size of
an FT-817 or smaller, with K2 + KAT2 functionality then it would be a
must-buy. The FT-817 has been very popular but technically it is a
huge disappointment, with a poor receiver, far too high power
consumption for its battery size and no built in ATU which is really
needed in the field. By the time you have added an external battery
and an ATU, you may as well take a K2. The only trouble is FT-817s are
now very cheap (about a third the price I paid for my first one!) and
any Elecraft competitor would probably be perceived as expensive by
most potential buyers.

I personally don't have the space for the four times larger K3
proposed by Brett, but as there seems to be quite a lot of space
inside the K3 already I don't really see the point in any case. If it
is a question of operating ergonomics, perhaps the answer is a
software front panel, e.g. HRD.

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On 9/6/07, Matt Palmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I would rather see them expanding into a surface mount miniaturized
> version of the k2 with improved performance for a k4.
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[Ken Kopp]

Gee, I pray it's -NOT- the IC-706 of the 21st century.

The '706 is an ho-hum radio for the casual operator ... maybe. (;-(

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy-2]

On Sept.06/07 Julian G4ILO <[hidden email]> wrote:

N2EY:
>>  And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on HF 75+
>> years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and oscilator
>> transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the improvements
>> in
>> our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the direct
>> results of radio competition of various kinds.
>
> But it does put into perspective the need for high power and high
> specs, doesn't it. :)

Perhaps, but the Ancient Ones (hmmpf  - Elders please) did not have to
contend with the amount of interference that we have today, even in 1946 the
HF bands were still quite "quiet" by comparison.

73,
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[Brett gazdzinski-2]

 So you want a revised K1, not a K4.
K3 performance in a K1 size box using surface mount.

That seems like a nitch radio, not a mainstream radio.

You need:

Backpack rig and/or handheld,
Small portable or field day rig,
Mobile rig (portable and field day also) designed with the car in mind..,
Base rig,
Deluxe base rig,
Computer rig,
Amplifier,
Remote (auto?) antenna tuners/antenna switch,
Kits and various power level versions of the above.

I don't know about vhf and uhf rigs...

The reason I would like a rig twice the size of the K3 is to get
a band scope and individual knobs for main features.
While Elecraft does wonders with limited controls, there is no
need for that on a big radio.
I think they would sell many more bigger rigs to the general ham
population then they would sell revised K1's.

Brett
N2DTS


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Matt Palmer
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:49 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
>
> I would rather see them expanding into a surface mount miniaturized
> version of the k2 with improved performance for a k4.
>
> Matt KD8DAO
>
> On 9/6/07, Brett gazdzinski
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I do wonder what Elecraft could come up with if
> > size, weight, and power consumption were not an issue.
> > It would likely be a rig I would really like, as there
> > are plenty of small rigs out there.
> >
> > They don't need to go head to head with the major manufacturers
> > if they don't want to, they can sell what they sell and how they
> > want to sell it, and be as big or as little as they want.
> >
> > My guess is they want to sell zillions of K3's though, with all
> > the jetting around to hamfests.
> >
> > If the K4 was twice the size of the K3, and had four times
> > the knobs and buttons on it, and had the K3 performance, I bet they
> > would sell even more of them then K3's, at a higher price.
> >
> > I don't see why Elecraft could not get very large in short order,
> > as no one has the range and performance they do, kits, small rigs,
> > top end performing rigs, medium size rigs, backpack rigs,
> antenna tuners,
> > amplifiers, and with the K4, big deluxe rigs.
> >
> > I hope they will expand and bring out more products faster, while
> > reducing the individual workload so they don't burn out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brett
> > N2DTS
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Charles Harpole
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
> > >
> > > Much as I want to like the little company that could,
> > > Elecraft folks need to
> > > recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer
> > > base, they are
> > > now reaching another type of customer with the advanced
> K3.  This new
> > > customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the
> > > QRP and toy rigs
> > > niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft.
> > >
> > > Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too
> > > old), back
> > > packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn).  I assemble to save
> > > money, not
> > > much for the fun.  I like operating, not tinkering.  I
> > > purchase based on
> > > outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys.
> > >
> > > Message then to Elecraft, provided free here altho a
> > > marketing consultant
> > > would cost plenty, is to wake up to their new added
> customer base and
> > > understand that forgiveness in
> > > timely notices of shipment
> > > advance manual availability
> > > clear specs on rig (that are stated in the same terms as good
> > > ole Sherwood
> > > and that do not have the > or the < mark)
> > > and clear info on the full range of products, such as the Heil K2
> > > mic/headphones,
> > > can be expected to be met with only a polite patience that
> > > can be exhausted
> > > soon.
> > >
> > > It is a new and exciting ...and challenging.... day for
> > > Elecraft.  They have
> > > entered the big leagues and clearly challenge ICOM and Yaesu
> > > (and ORION).
> > > Marketing info will need to measure up too.
> > >
> > > PS... keep my order for a K3 active, please.....  73
> > >
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[Brett gazdzinski-2]

I said twice the size, with 4 times the knobs/buttons.
Four times would be HUGE!

Brett
 

> I personally don't have the space for the four times larger K3
> proposed by Brett, but as there seems to be quite a lot of space
> inside the K3 already I don't really see the point in any case. If it
> is a question of operating ergonomics, perhaps the answer is a
> software front panel, e.g. HRD.
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>
>
> On 9/6/07, Matt Palmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I would rather see them expanding into a surface mount miniaturized
> > version of the k2 with improved performance for a k4.
> >
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[Julian, G4ILO]

On 9/6/07, Brett gazdzinski <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think they would sell many more bigger rigs to the general ham
> population then they would sell revised K1's.

On what evidence do you base this assertion? I haven't done a survey,
but on the basis of the rigs people say they are using when I contact
them, I would say the small / medium size radios are in the majority.
A lot of people are even using mobile rigs (IC-706, IC-7000, FT-897
etc.) as their main radios. That may be more to do with pricing than
size, of course.
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[Brett gazdzinski-2]

 That is one of the great things about our hobby, there is
surely something for everyone.

As long as others don't object about someone else's
favorite thing, its great.

I don't get into contests, but I don't mind the guys that do
taking over the bands from time to time.

I hope they don't mind me getting on AM once and a while
on uncrowded bands, using my home brew tube stations.

Sure is a lot to do on ham radio though, all the modes,
all the frequencies, computer stuff, satellite, fm repeater,
cw, home brew, vintage, contests, dx, rag chewing, nets, qrp,
kit building, really, what other hobby has so much...

Brett
N2DTS

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Julian G4ILO
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:52 AM
> To: elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
>
> Living in a densely populated area like I do and with indoor antennas
> - no chance!
>
> If my 10 watts can't make a particular contact then it's no big deal
> to me. It's only a hobby, a pastime, not life or death communications,
> not worth causing interference to the neighbours. I don't understand
> why people have to get so competitive about radio. The ordinary
> business of making a living in the real world is competitive enough
> for me. Getting my web pages on to the first page of Google search
> results is a more worthwhile challenge than trying to work a bunch of
> guys perched on a piece of rock in the Pacific Ocean. What I want from
> a hobby is relaxation.
>
> The thrill I get from making contacts with low power more than makes
> up for the ones I don't make, many of which 100W might not have made
> either.
>
> I envy those who can put up towers and beams and run high power, but
> it's just like I envy those who run luxury cars, or own a yacht or a
> villa in the south of France. It would be nice to have those things,
> but I don't need them, and don't imagine I will ever be able to afford
> them, so I don't lose any sleep over not having them.
> --
> Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
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> Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com
>
>
> On 9/6/07, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Just wait until you see the Elecraft 1500w power amp - I
> bet you'll have
> > your order sent off within 48 hours.
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[N2EY]

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From: Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy <[hidden email]>

On Sept.06/07 Julian G4ILO <[hidden email]> wrote: 
 
N2EY: 
>>> And consider this: The Ancient Ones were working the Antipodes on
HF 75+ 
>>> years ago with simple regenerative receivers, wire antennas and
oscilator 
>>> transmitters putting out a few watts of RF power. All of the
improvements >> in 
>>> our methods, rigs and antenna systems since then have been the
direct 
>>> results of radio competition of various kinds. 
> 
>> But it does put into perspective the need for high power and high 
>> specs, doesn't it. :) 
 
All depends how you define "need".....

>Perhaps, but the Ancient Ones (hmmpf - Elders please)

Ancient Ones is a term of respect. Consider the age of anyone who
actually operated an amateur station 75+ years ago....

>did not have to contend with the amount of interference that we have
today, even in 1946 the HF bands were still >quite "quiet" by
comparison. 
 
A lot depends on how the comparison is made.

75+ years ago, there were far fewer hams. Here in the USA, there were
less than 40,000 hams in 1932.

But almost all of them were on 160, 80, 40 or 20 meters. Their
transmitters were mostly not T9X and their receivers (mostly
regeneratives) were rarely narrower than 10 kc. Crystal filters in
receivers came about in the 1930s as a direct result of crowded bands.
And since those bands weren't all open at the same time, the ones that
were tended to be rather crowded....

By 1946, there were about 60,000 US hams (but a lot of them, as well as
hams all over the world, were inactive, still dealing with the
aftermath of WW2).  Yet by 1946 the regen receiver and self-controlled
transmitter of 1932 were largely obsolete with hams. Note that in 1946
the WARC bands and 15 meters weren't ham bands yet, and 160 was gone to
LORAN, and we wouldn't get it all back for decades.

Most of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems have
been the direct results of competition of various kinds. For example:

- Computers in the shack were pioneered by contesters looking for a
better way to log.
- Transceivers with split operation (multiple VFOs) were pioneered by
DXers working split
- More dynamic range (in all its forms), better filters, etc., were
first pushed for by contesters and DXers.
- QRP, in and of itself, is competitive. When most of the stations on
the band are running 100 to 1500 watts out, making QSOs with 5 watts
*by choice* is certainly a challenge!

Competition takes many forms. The ham who looks at the available rigs
and says "I can do better than that" is being competitive, whether
"better" means more performance, lower cost, smaller size, more
features, etc.

Would we have the K3 - or any Elecraft rigs - if Eric, Wayne & Co.
hadn't looked at the available rigs of the time and said "We can do
better than that?"

73 de Jim, N2EY

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[Joe-aa4nn]

Yeah, and the IC7000 is hardly any better.
de Joe, aa4nn

Gee, I pray it's -NOT- the IC-706 of the 21st century.
> The '706 is an ho-hum radio for the casual operator ... maybe. (;-(
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP

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[JT Croteau]

People today seem to want everything to be smaller (except for their
big screen TV's).  Everything is becoming smaller, not bigger.

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JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH
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[M0XDF]

And harder to use - I bought the K3 because I find accessing all functions
via a menu (on my FT-857) to be prohibitive.
I was looking at the FT-2000 and almost ready to buy and then there was this
announcement .....


On 6/9/07 17:07, "JT Croteau" <[hidden email]> sent:

> People today seem to want everything to be smaller (except for their
> big screen TV's).  Everything is becoming smaller, not bigger.

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[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy-2]

Jim N2EY wrote:

>Ancient Ones is a term of respect.

Understood. In this part of the UK this usually refers to those who lived
here some thousands of years ago, whereas Elders are still living.

>Consider the age of anyone who actually operated an amateur station 75+
>years ago....

Indeed.
.
>A lot depends on how the comparison is made.

There is no doubt in my mind that the availability of "plug and play" rigs
and the growth of the ham population has increased interference levels from
what they were in 1946.

>Most of the improvements in our methods, rigs and antenna systems have been
>the direct results of competition of various kinds.

Absolutely, I think that we are in complete agreement on this point.

Eric might bark if I continue this discussion on List :-)

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD







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