K3 how often do you use it?
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Sorry for the misspelling in the original message. It should have
started "A fellow". He told me that a "Big Gun" would never buy a K3. #1 due to not having 200w, #2 due to ergonomics. He basically said that people that buy a K3 don't use it enough to not see the inherent flaws in the layout, size etc. of the K3. He felt the 1000d was much better. I don't own my 1000d or MkII anymore. I did buy the K3's with some reservation as far as it being more like my 751a as far as bandswitching etc. But after using the K3 for over a year I have found very few things to complain about. My Ft-2000 sure was prettier though. Anyway I thought after being on this reflector for a long time now that most people here were obviously pretty sharp, and use there rigs quite a bit. I am not a contestor but I would guess those that are have the basic requirements of a station with the antenna being the number one concern, if not determination.. I've always found that the antenna was the most critical part of my station. Then the transceiver as far dynamic range etc. Then power output, in that order. What does everyone else think? I know looks to a lot of people are #1, but I'm sure that the station I am trying to contact really doesn't care. Randy K8RDD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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35W drives my amp to 1.5KW on CW, can't see the value of a 200W exciter. The "looks" of my K3 are just beautiful. Not as good looking as my girlfriend but it does just fine in the shack. ;) Gary KA1J > Sorry for the misspelling in the original message. It should have > started "A fellow". He told me that a "Big Gun" would never buy a K3. > #1 due to not having 200w, #2 due to ergonomics. He basically said > that people that buy a K3 don't use it enough to not see the inherent > flaws in the layout, size etc. of the K3. He felt the 1000d was much > better. I don't own my 1000d or MkII anymore. I did buy the K3's with > some reservation as far as it being more like my 751a as far as > bandswitching etc. But after using the K3 for over a year I have found > very few things to complain about. My Ft-2000 sure was prettier > though. Anyway I thought after being on this reflector for a long time > now that most people here were obviously pretty sharp, and use there > rigs quite a bit. I am not a contestor but I would guess those that > are have the basic requirements of a station with the antenna being > the number one concern, if not determination.. > I've always found that the antenna was the most critical part of my > station. Then the transceiver as far dynamic range etc. Then power > output, in that order. What does everyone else think? I know looks to > a lot of people are #1, but I'm sure that the station I am trying to > contact really doesn't care. > Randy > K8RDD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Randy Downs wrote: > He told me that a "Big Gun" would never buy a K3. > #1 due to not having 200w, #2 due to ergonomics. He basically said > that people that buy a K3 don't use it enough to not see the inherent > flaws in the layout, size etc. of the K3. Road Apples!!! The "big gun" contest stations don't run low power so 200W is irrelevant. They also do very little "fiddling" with settings once running so control count is irrelevant as well. The guy your talking about must have been a marketing major. That's the problem, we've been fed pretty lights and more knobs than we know what to do with for years. The guys with more more money than sense and very little RF experience snap them up and all of a sudden the XXXX FTdx Pro IV becomes the rig to have. IC-7800 or FT-9000 anybody? If a rig takes up half the desk, takes two people to carry, and looks like a 747 cockpit control panel it must be a great performer, right? > I've always found that the antenna was the most critical part of my > station. Then the transceiver as far dynamic range etc. Then power > output, in that order. What does everyone else think? I know looks to > a lot of people are #1, but I'm sure that the station I am trying to > contact really doesn't care. > Randy > K8RDD > Agree totally. -- R. Kevin Stover ACØH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I use my K3 4 to 6 hours every day sometimes more it has more talk power
and a cleaner signal than any other rig I have ever had or still have. Since the born on date June 13 2009 my Ft2000 station holds up the K3 at just the right hight for me I have stopped comparing A/B the receiver of the two radios. My FT2000 DMU U-Tuning 40/80 PEP 2000 firmware up dates fixed a lot wrong with the FT2k I have only transmitted on the Yaesu rig 3 times since getting my K3 kit built. I though I was going to be bothered by the size, I found that it never was an issue. The only thing I really miss is a triple band stacking registry like my Yaesu has, however I have learned to live with out it. On the size small and light has advantages over big and heavy everything in life is a trade off this thing goes mobile so easy and it has top of the line performance as well. Performance wise the K3 is hard to find fault with. The company Elecraft is light years ahead of the "big three" no face saving statements covering up design flaws, we are happy with the design there is nothing wrong with it! Yaesu rigs are still losing the front end preamps and mixers! No unanswered e-mails! No stupid answers on phone calls about issues by service personal! Rapid attention by the owners on the "group" unlike the "big three". Continuing up grading new features improvements in performance. No need to sell at a big loss a pro to get a pro 1 , pro 2, pro3. I could go on but you all get the picture there is only small nic picks that I would change one being the volume of the side tone, spot and how its tied together, even this is just a matter of getting used to how it works. My experience with my FT2000 was so bad the first year with twice broken front end and couple that with the (I feel) intentional lying about Diversity Receive and roof filter performance. The only "JOY" had was UPS made money shipping it. I will not be purchasing a FT5000 or even thinking about one Yaesu lied and my 18 years loyalty died. And besides I have a K3 which is better than my FT2k in every way but size and looks, Yaesu DMU eye candy is nice but that's what it is over priced eye candy. One night I was AM broadcast DXing just to see what I could hear I live 12 miles from WLS .890 50k boomer 3 miles from Radio Mickey Mouse 1.300 AM, 20 miles from .780 WBBM 50k boomer I was using my Hy Tower antenna listen to .770 WABC in NY clear and clean with out the woop woop of .780 just like I was in there 100 % coverage zone I find that amazing just a quick adjustment of the shift a bit cleaned up the interference just up the band. I have never experienced any thing like that with any other radio even a Rich Mish rebuilt R390a Motorola, FT1000d and so on. My location is close to many AM broadcast stations the K3 don't even know they are there when I'm on the ham bands. Can't say that about the FT2000 or some of the Icom's I have had in the past. Elecraft has designed a "pro stock race car" capable with the right tune up winning any NHRA drag race. It's up to the driver /tuner to adjust and get it right for best performance, the rig often has to much "gain" and needs to be pulled back a bit to optimize the performance. Again I use my K3 4 to 6 hrs every day all I can say is right on Elecraft keep up the good work I appreciate it very much, and job well done, the field is all chasing you. Regards Art ka9zap ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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-----Original Message----- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:10:55 -0500 From: Randy Downs <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 how often do you use it? It should have tarted "A fellow". He told me that a "Big Gun" would never buy a K3. 1 due to not having 200w, #2 due to ergonomics. He basically said hat people that buy a K3 don't use it enough to not see the inherent laws in the layout, size etc. of the K3. He felt the 1000d was much etter. A recent meeting of the Frankford Radio Club (FRC) which includes a substantial number of Type-A, Big Guns seemed as much a K3 convention as it was a club meeting. I know some Yankee Clipper Contest Club (YCCC) member calls show up on this reflector. The K3 is becoming quite popular among the members of Florida Contest Group (FCG), too, I am told. If FRC, YCCC and FCG members, are not among the Big Guns in the US contest scene, would "A fellow" please tell us who is? 73, K3YD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Add PVRC to that list. Even some of our mumble-grump skeptics went to
K3's because they got their **s handed to them in a sling on the low bands when the competition started using K3 true diversity. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:41 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > If FRC, YCCC and FCG members, are not among the Big Guns in the US contest scene, would "A fellow" please tell us who is? > > 73, K3YD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Are you sure he's not trying to keep you out of the "winner's circle"? ;o)
Seems like there are more K3s noted in 3830 postings every contest, not to mention the still venerable K2s. Many well known calls, not just lil' pistols. The 200W comment is not valid for most LP contests. There are a few that allow 150W, but most consider LP to be 100W. Most, if not all, serious contesters change bands via the logging program. The only controls I touch during a contest are AF, RF and maybe filter width. (Yes, I sometimes play with RIT/XIT) If you need to dink around with controls a lot, you're not making enough contacts. For the big multi-multi stations, it may be more of a function of cost, initially. They generally try to standardize as much as possible. Too, with monster antenna arrays, some of the issues they face are not the same as folks with a single tribander and dipole... It probably comes down to operator preference in the end... For various, non-technical reasons more than anything else. 73, Julius
Julius Fazekas
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Let me be the first to congratulate "a fellow" on his choice
of competitive hardware! Damn, what sage advice! Yes, a wise choice! Please, all you PVRC, YCCC and FRC members! Dont *EVEN* consider an Elecraft K3 for your contesting use and stay with your FT1000'ds, your Pro-2's, your TS940's and your superlative IC-781's for competing with your poor southern cousins in FCG, especially during ARRL 10 Meters, SS and WPX. For that matter, I strongly urge that *ALL* PVRC, YCCC and FRC members switch *IMMEDIATELY* to the above rigs and sell ALL of their K3 rigs to either DX stations or to NCCC or Mad River members (maybe *THEN* they will then be able to hear us from Florida). We might even allow you an additional couple of hundred dollars above a used price to help you get rid of those K3's as a "hardship" stipend so you can get those above mentioned "high performance" rigs to work the WPX piles with. Im sure my fellow FGC members would be happy to help take those badly performing, hard to operate silly looking Elecraft rigs off your hands immediately... Its the least we can do for you! Southern Hospitality *REQUIRES* us to be this nice to you! Then, take the money and go out and buy some TS-570's with the stock SSB filter and use them on CW in the next IARU, Please???? Lu - W4LT Spotting you additional "difficulty factors" in contests operating K3 #3192 Go FGC! - OJ's! Message: 32 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:23:00 -0500 From: Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 how often do you use it? To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Add PVRC to that list. Even some of our mumble-grump skeptics went to K3's because they got their **s handed to them in a sling on the low bands when the competition started using K3 true diversity. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:41 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > If FRC, YCCC and FCG members, are not among the Big Guns in the US contest scene, would "A fellow" please tell us who is? > > 73, K3YD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Oh yeah,put me on the list,I take any K3's from anyone's hand for a thousand bucks to have one more,after all they are so ugly and unefficient for contesting that they are valued down,right Luis? We in FL love to have them even been so bad.
AD4C K3 # 2192 "For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3" --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Lu Romero <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Lu Romero <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 how often do you use it? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 4:01 PM Let me be the first to congratulate "a fellow" on his choice of competitive hardware! Damn, what sage advice! Yes, a wise choice! Please, all you PVRC, YCCC and FRC members! Dont *EVEN* consider an Elecraft K3 for your contesting use and stay with your FT1000'ds, your Pro-2's, your TS940's and your superlative IC-781's for competing with your poor southern cousins in FCG, especially during ARRL 10 Meters, SS and WPX. For that matter, I strongly urge that *ALL* PVRC, YCCC and FRC members switch *IMMEDIATELY* to the above rigs and sell ALL of their K3 rigs to either DX stations or to NCCC or Mad River members (maybe *THEN* they will then be able to hear us from Florida). We might even allow you an additional couple of hundred dollars above a used price to help you get rid of those K3's as a "hardship" stipend so you can get those above mentioned "high performance" rigs to work the WPX piles with. Im sure my fellow FGC members would be happy to help take those badly performing, hard to operate silly looking Elecraft rigs off your hands immediately... Its the least we can do for you! Southern Hospitality *REQUIRES* us to be this nice to you! Then, take the money and go out and buy some TS-570's with the stock SSB filter and use them on CW in the next IARU, Please???? Lu - W4LT Spotting you additional "difficulty factors" in contests operating K3 #3192 Go FGC! - OJ's! Message: 32 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:23:00 -0500 From: Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 how often do you use it? To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Add PVRC to that list. Even some of our mumble-grump skeptics went to K3's because they got their **s handed to them in a sling on the low bands when the competition started using K3 true diversity. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:41 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > If FRC, YCCC and FCG members, are not among the Big Guns in the US contest scene, would "A fellow" please tell us who is? > > 73, K3YD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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