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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Dick Dickinson
I may have missed something, but would these do the job via USB?

 

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=86820

 

http://store.griffintechnology.com/desktop/powermate

 

 

Dick - KA5KKT

 

 

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
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Again, Sam, K9SD has made these for years for several different radios.  I
have one for my 781 and I spoke with him before Christmas about one for my
K3.  He has a new email address.  Anyone can contact me via email for it (I
don't want to publish it on the reflector).


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch
Staunton, Illinois

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill Clarke
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:07 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote VFO tuning control

I did a search for the suggested callsign and the term K3 (as well as other
terms) and found very little information. Seems there was a flurry of
postings some time back (years ago) and not much since. Can I assume the
project never came to fruition? Or, is there an obscure website that does
not pop-up during a search?

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC




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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Bill Clarke
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Both of those look simple and interesting. They may also work with HRD.
Time to tear a mouse apart.

Thanks for those links,

Bill W2BLC


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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Jim Sheldon
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Before he was forced to quit writing K3 software due to health and other concerns, Julian, G4ILO wrote a small program called K-Tune (still available on his website) that used the Griffin PowerMate for tuning and some other control functions on the K3.

If you use a logging program that uses the RS-232 port to read data from the K3, you'll need to install and configure LP-Bridge to allow multiple programs to access the K3 through the one serial port.  

I have not used it yet, but I did order the Powermate this morning - check around, Griffin wants $45 on their website, but you can get it cheaper elsewhere (I got mine from B&H Photo for under $30).

I've heard that K-Tune works well with the Powermate, but as I said, no experience as of right now -  I have used other programs by Julian though, and they have all worked very well so I plan on giving this one a try as well.

Jim - W0EB

> I may have missed something, but would these do the job via USB?
>
>
> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=86820
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> http://store.griffintechnology.com/desktop/powermate
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Re: K3 suggestion

Bill Frantz
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Another thought is to speed the rate of tuning if the knob is turned faster.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

WM3M
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Jim,
I am not sure of this but from what I understand there are no Window 7
drivers for the Griffin PowerMate.  There are XP drivers but not Windows 7,
etc.
I believe also that Griffin has stopped making them and will not provided
new drivers and it will not work without the drivers.
I do not know this first hand but when I checked into buying one this is
what I found out.
Emory  WM3M

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Sheldon
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Before he was forced to quit writing K3 software due to health and other
concerns, Julian, G4ILO wrote a small program called K-Tune (still available
on his website) that used the Griffin PowerMate for tuning and some other
control functions on the K3.

If you use a logging program that uses the RS-232 port to read data from the
K3, you'll need to install and configure LP-Bridge to allow multiple
programs to access the K3 through the one serial port.

I have not used it yet, but I did order the Powermate this morning - check
around, Griffin wants $45 on their website, but you can get it cheaper
elsewhere (I got mine from B&H Photo for under $30).

I've heard that K-Tune works well with the Powermate, but as I said, no
experience as of right now -  I have used other programs by Julian though,
and they have all worked very well so I plan on giving this one a try as
well.

Jim - W0EB

> I may have missed something, but would these do the job via USB?
>
>
> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=86820
>
>
> http://store.griffintechnology.com/desktop/powermate
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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Gary K9GS
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I think you're missing the point.

What's wanted isn't some USB piece of hardware and an application/driver
to run it.  What people are talking about is something that will operate
independently of a PC; something that plugs directly into the K3.  That
way it can be used with your logging software.

I had some correspondence with Sam, K9SD, a few years ago.  The problem
with his solution was that it required hardware modifications to the
K3.  Something I was unwilling to do.  Maybe there is a different
version available now?

TenTec made a few different models like these:

http://www.eham.net/classifieds/detail/393373

http://www.universal-radio.com/CAtalog/commrxvr/302.html



On 1/6/2013 11:51 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote:

> Before he was forced to quit writing K3 software due to health and other concerns, Julian, G4ILO wrote a small program called K-Tune (still available on his website) that used the Griffin PowerMate for tuning and some other control functions on the K3.
>
> If you use a logging program that uses the RS-232 port to read data from the K3, you'll need to install and configure LP-Bridge to allow multiple programs to access the K3 through the one serial port.
>
> I have not used it yet, but I did order the Powermate this morning - check around, Griffin wants $45 on their website, but you can get it cheaper elsewhere (I got mine from B&H Photo for under $30).
>
> I've heard that K-Tune works well with the Powermate, but as I said, no experience as of right now -  I have used other programs by Julian though, and they have all worked very well so I plan on giving this one a try as well.
>
> Jim - W0EB
>
>> I may have missed something, but would these do the job via USB?
>>
>>
>> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=86820
>>
>>
>> http://store.griffintechnology.com/desktop/powermate
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>>
>> Dick - KA5KKT
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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Bill Clarke
Earlier, a post made reference to using part of a mouse. So, I went
through my computer junk box and came up with a mouse that I stopped
using because the mouse wheel dents were so light that I could hardly
feel them. Now I am using that mouse with HRD V5 and my K3. It is an
answer as it is - with tuning speed controlled by where you place the
mouse cursor on the HRD screen. This will make an interim answer to the
problem while a more elegant device is looked for.

The device from TenTec with a key pad is extra interesting. I'd forgo
the use of HRD if something like that was available for the K3. The only
time I use the serial port is for HRD and updates. I don't use K3-EZ.
Also, unlike most K3 ops, I don't use any of the logging programs or
digital stuff. Hence, it would be a great trade-off for me.

Some programming genius should see this as an opportunity. I would, if I
could do the magic.

Bill W2BLC
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K3 ProSet Mic Adaptor

W4SK
When I recently changed to a new K3, I retained
my old Heil ProSet.  I notice on the Elecraft order page
that a new ProSet and adaptor is available, but no where
(including on the Heil page) do I find just the adaptor.

Hints?

-73-

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Re: K3 ProSet Mic Adaptor

Bruce Beford-2
OK, hint then...

Why not just plug the Proset into the back of the K3? Then you don't -need-
an adapter. If you want or need to use the front panel jack, the K3 is wired
the same as Kenwood rigs. Get a Pro set to Kenwood adapter.

 

GL,

Bruce, N1RX

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Poul Erik Karlshøj (PKA)-2
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I am using the PowerMate with HRD (HRD running on WIN7 laptop with HRD5 in the shack, PowerMate on remote WIN7 PC connected via Teamviewer). It works.
However after playing with it I have gone back using scroll arrows and/or mouse wheel.
73 de OZ4UN
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I may have missed something, but would these do the job via USB?

 

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=86820

 

http://store.griffintechnology.com/desktop/powermate

 

 

Dick - KA5KKT

 

 

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

G Wood
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I use an homebrew logging program for normal and contest logs. Uses MMTTY
engine on FSK RTTY and WA0TTN version of PSKcore.dll on PSK. Running
Win98se cos it works OK. I have 2 serial ports. 1 for FSK, cw keying, PTT
etc. The other connects the logging program to the K3 to give freq readout
and power.
I have programmed the log so I can tune the K3 using minus & plus keys on
the keypad, holding them down scans the K3 up or down. The star key is
used for spot. I use 2 other keys to change bands up or down.
I don't know if it is possible to use the Utility Program to do a similar
thing using macros. Maybe HRD & N1MM could be programmed to do the same
thing worth contacting the authors??
Trouble is a majority of programs don't allow the use of keyboard control
instead of the mouse. In contests it is wasting time reaching for the
mouse, finding the pointer and getting it where you want it. Your fingers
are already on the keyboard so why not use it to control the rig!


73's - Graham G3VIP

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Nate Bargmann
I know that N1MM and many others support simply typing the frequency
into the callsign field for immediate QSY.  While I prefer a full size
keyboard, a lot of times laptops are used for logging which lack the
keypad and the '+'/'-' keys off to the right.  Still, I like your idea
and it might be useful elsewhere.

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Todd - k1tm
I like operating from the keyboard and mouse whenever possible, but sometimes a hardware device that does not require the computer to be on is best.  (For reference: I am currently running a hybrid approach to handle frequency changes.  In SSB as an example, the majority of the time I run DXLabs with the mouse selecting Commander and a 100hz tuning rate, the radio is set to coarse tune at 1Khz steps.  Fine tuning is done using the mouse wheel, but I created a 2 button (1"x1.5" box) controller that sits beside the keyboard to do coarse tuning.  I press the up/down buttons to make steps and the mouse wheel to correct for folks running .5khz center frequencies or older rigs.)  I would love a knob that plugs into the K3, that has buttons to program, that also selects between coarse and fine tuning.

73, Todd
 
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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Richard Ferch
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N1MM Logger supports tuning using the up and down arrows on the
keyboard. Separate tuning increments are used for SSB and for CW/Data
modes, and both of these increments are user-configurable. There is a
third user-configurable increment for macro up/down tuning commands that
can be programmed into function keys.

73,
Rich VE3KI


G3VIP wrote:

> I have programmed the log so I can tune the K3 using minus & plus keys on
> the keypad, holding them down scans the K3 up or down. The star key is
> used for spot. I use 2 other keys to change bands up or down.
> I don't know if it is possible to use the Utility Program to do a similar
> thing using macros. Maybe HRD & N1MM could be programmed to do the same
> thing worth contacting the authors??

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Iain Kelly
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All,

I only caught this thread partway through, and the recent Digest emails
have been quite lengthy so I don't even know who was asking originally.
However I do have my own solution to this problem.

I originally wanted something to be able to fire off the DVR without
using a contest logger, currently Win-Test and the LUA scripts
available. Sadly for the local RSGB VHF contests I use another program
that doesn't have rig control. I found a program called K-Keys by KE3C
which allows up to 10 macros to be defined and assigned to keyboard
short-cuts.

I then found KTune by G4ILO and that got me thinking about an off-board
controller for tuning and custom macros. I came across the ShuttlePROv2
which is a video-editing tool and has a jog wheel, fast-fwd and rev
control and a number of buttons. These actions can all be assigned to
keystrokes in the driver application. However, I found that although
KTune worked well with this, K-Keys wasn't able to pick up the keystrokes.

The ShuttlePRO is definitely generating the correct keys, so I had a
problem after having spent £70 on the controller. A friend of mine
suggested I ought to write something myself using AutoIt - a windows
scripting tool. Based on an example file and a DLL someone had written
for it I managed to cobble together an application that sits in the
background and controls the K3 nicely through LP_Bridge.

I've implemented most of the macros I want to do, mode switching, amp
control and message memories as well as variable rate tuning and jog
wheel for VFO A and stepped tuning of VFOB and automatic 2kHz CW split.
I am planning on making the SSB mode change smart by reading the
frequency from the rig and setting LSB and USB depending on the answer.
I also want to make the 'split' intelligent for CW and SSB as well. I'm
also thinking about adding in a GUI to configure the macros and com port
settings, but I'm not able to promise I can do that any time soon as the
program is working for me as it stands.

I'm not a software engineer, the settings etc are all hard coded, but I
was able to generate an executable that I have in my start-up folder. I
only wrote it on Sunday 6th Jan so it's not finished but certainly
working in I guess an alpha test.

If anyone would like a look at the script I can send it to them, I've
not had chance to get it onto my website yet (www.m0pcb.co.uk) but
hoping to do that today. I am not really willing to release it as a
working program yet as it's very much a prototype at the moment.

If anyone is interested it might be best to talk off-line as I often
don't get chance to read through the daily digest emails in much detail
and I may miss things.

73, Iain M0PCB


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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Iain Kelly
All,

Further to my email below I've now written a page on my website and have
included a zip file with the script for people to have a look at. No
warranty or guarantee can be offered for the use of the software, nor
any responsibility for anything going wrong. I've not thoroughly tested
the script, though I've not had any problems on my system.

I'd be interested in comments on the functionality and usefulness of it.

73, Iain M0PCB

On 08/01/2013 17:21, Iain Kelly wrote:

> All,
>
> I only caught this thread partway through, and the recent Digest
> emails have been quite lengthy so I don't even know who was asking
> originally. However I do have my own solution to this problem.
>
> I originally wanted something to be able to fire off the DVR without
> using a contest logger, currently Win-Test and the LUA scripts
> available. Sadly for the local RSGB VHF contests I use another program
> that doesn't have rig control. I found a program called K-Keys by KE3C
> which allows up to 10 macros to be defined and assigned to keyboard
> short-cuts.
>
> I then found KTune by G4ILO and that got me thinking about an
> off-board controller for tuning and custom macros. I came across the
> ShuttlePROv2 which is a video-editing tool and has a jog wheel,
> fast-fwd and rev control and a number of buttons. These actions can
> all be assigned to keystrokes in the driver application. However, I
> found that although KTune worked well with this, K-Keys wasn't able to
> pick up the keystrokes.
>
> The ShuttlePRO is definitely generating the correct keys, so I had a
> problem after having spent £70 on the controller. A friend of mine
> suggested I ought to write something myself using AutoIt - a windows
> scripting tool. Based on an example file and a DLL someone had written
> for it I managed to cobble together an application that sits in the
> background and controls the K3 nicely through LP_Bridge.
>
> I've implemented most of the macros I want to do, mode switching, amp
> control and message memories as well as variable rate tuning and jog
> wheel for VFO A and stepped tuning of VFOB and automatic 2kHz CW
> split. I am planning on making the SSB mode change smart by reading
> the frequency from the rig and setting LSB and USB depending on the
> answer. I also want to make the 'split' intelligent for CW and SSB as
> well. I'm also thinking about adding in a GUI to configure the macros
> and com port settings, but I'm not able to promise I can do that any
> time soon as the program is working for me as it stands.
>
> I'm not a software engineer, the settings etc are all hard coded, but
> I was able to generate an executable that I have in my start-up
> folder. I only wrote it on Sunday 6th Jan so it's not finished but
> certainly working in I guess an alpha test.
>
> If anyone would like a look at the script I can send it to them, I've
> not had chance to get it onto my website yet (www.m0pcb.co.uk) but
> hoping to do that today. I am not really willing to release it as a
> working program yet as it's very much a prototype at the moment.
>
> If anyone is interested it might be best to talk off-line as I often
> don't get chance to read through the daily digest emails in much
> detail and I may miss things.
>
> 73, Iain M0PCB
>
>

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

David Cutter
Iain

Well done, I might just get one of those and I see they are £75 from Amazon

best 73

David
G3UNA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Kelly" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Remote VFO tuning control


All,

Further to my email below I've now written a page on my website and have
included a zip file with the script for people to have a look at. No
warranty or guarantee can be offered for the use of the software, nor
any responsibility for anything going wrong. I've not thoroughly tested
the script, though I've not had any problems on my system.

I'd be interested in comments on the functionality and usefulness of it.

73, Iain M0PCB

On 08/01/2013 17:21, Iain Kelly wrote:

> All,
>
> I only caught this thread partway through, and the recent Digest emails
> have been quite lengthy so I don't even know who was asking originally.
> However I do have my own solution to this problem.
>
> I originally wanted something to be able to fire off the DVR without using
> a contest logger, currently Win-Test and the LUA scripts available. Sadly
> for the local RSGB VHF contests I use another program that doesn't have
> rig control. I found a program called K-Keys by KE3C which allows up to 10
> macros to be defined and assigned to keyboard short-cuts.
>
> I then found KTune by G4ILO and that got me thinking about an off-board
> controller for tuning and custom macros. I came across the ShuttlePROv2
> which is a video-editing tool and has a jog wheel, fast-fwd and rev
> control and a number of buttons. These actions can all be assigned to
> keystrokes in the driver application. However, I found that although KTune
> worked well with this, K-Keys wasn't able to pick up the keystrokes.
>
> The ShuttlePRO is definitely generating the correct keys, so I had a
> problem after having spent £70 on the controller. A friend of mine
> suggested I ought to write something myself using AutoIt - a windows
> scripting tool. Based on an example file and a DLL someone had written for
> it I managed to cobble together an application that sits in the background
> and controls the K3 nicely through LP_Bridge.
>
> I've implemented most of the macros I want to do, mode switching, amp
> control and message memories as well as variable rate tuning and jog wheel
> for VFO A and stepped tuning of VFOB and automatic 2kHz CW split. I am
> planning on making the SSB mode change smart by reading the frequency from
> the rig and setting LSB and USB depending on the answer. I also want to
> make the 'split' intelligent for CW and SSB as well. I'm also thinking
> about adding in a GUI to configure the macros and com port settings, but
> I'm not able to promise I can do that any time soon as the program is
> working for me as it stands.
>
> I'm not a software engineer, the settings etc are all hard coded, but I
> was able to generate an executable that I have in my start-up folder. I
> only wrote it on Sunday 6th Jan so it's not finished but certainly working
> in I guess an alpha test.
>
> If anyone would like a look at the script I can send it to them, I've not
> had chance to get it onto my website yet (www.m0pcb.co.uk) but hoping to
> do that today. I am not really willing to release it as a working program
> yet as it's very much a prototype at the moment.
>
> If anyone is interested it might be best to talk off-line as I often don't
> get chance to read through the daily digest emails in much detail and I
> may miss things.
>
> 73, Iain M0PCB
>
>

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Re: K3 Remote VFO tuning control

Charles Sanders
In reply to this post by Bill Clarke
I've been following this thread but have not responded since my impression
of the original request was for a self-contained tuning knob that did not
require use of external software and an associated computer. I agree with
Ian's proposal that, although it is not a standalone solution, the Shuttle
Pro is a device that, in conjunction with appropriate software, offers a
lot of functionality.

I use the Shuttle Pro with my mobile contest logger (CQ/X) to control
multiple functions on the K3 in my mobile installation wherein the K3 is in
the back of the SUV and the operator is in the front passenger seat.
Details on this application of the Shuttle Pro can be found by following
the Elecraft links on the Radios page of my website (www.no5w.com).

I'm happy to discuss the details if there are questions.

73/Chuck/NO5W
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