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Chuck Guenther

K3 switch macro update

Dick, PA3CW, asked:
"It would be nice to 'undo' the SPLIT+2 function by a second
key press...is that possible in the MACRO language?"

Good idea for a MACRO, Dick.
Try this MACRO I call UNSPLT: SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;RT0;XT0;

73,
Chuck NI0C
K3 s/n 1061

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Greg - AB7R

Re: K3 switch macro update

Or just a HOLD of the SPLIT button to turn it off???

-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Tue Oct 27 8:50 , Chuck Guenther sent:

>Dick, PA3CW, asked:
>"It would be nice to 'undo' the SPLIT+2 function by a second
>key press...is that possible in the MACRO language?"
>
>
>Good idea for a MACRO, Dick.
>Try this MACRO I call UNSPLT: SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;RT0;XT0;
>
>73,
>Chuck NI0C
>K3 s/n 1061
>
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Richard Squire - HB9ANM

Re: K3 switch macro update

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Right, Chuck - or even simpler:
FR0;

73
Richard - HB9ANM

Chuck Guenther wrote

Dick, PA3CW, asked:
"It would be nice to 'undo' the SPLIT+2 function by a second
key press...is that possible in the MACRO language?"

Good idea for a MACRO, Dick.
Try this MACRO I call UNSPLT: SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;RT0;XT0;

73,
Chuck NI0C
K3 s/n 1061

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Chuck Guenther

Re: K3 switch macro update

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Greg - AB7R wrote:
> Or just a HOLD of the SPLIT button to turn it off???
>
>
>
>

Of course that will work, Greg; however the UNSPLT macro has the
advantage of equalizing VFO A and B frequencies and bandwidths and
undoing the split with a single keystroke.

73,
Chuck NI0C
K3 s/n 1061
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Greg - AB7R

Re: K3 switch macro update

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Very true. But just exiting split your modes will already be the same from your
previous macro execution. The only thing potentially lacking would be the
equalization of the VFOs. But that does not really matter unless you are going to
go into split again. And if you are, you will probably use your macro again which
will set it all up for you anyway.

To me it seems just exiting split would be easier and save a button for another
macro.

-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Tue Oct 27 9:19 , Chuck Guenther <[hidden email]> sent:

>Greg - AB7R wrote:
>> Or just a HOLD of the SPLIT button to turn it off???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Of course that will work, Greg; however the UNSPLT macro has the
>advantage of equalizing VFO A and B frequencies and bandwidths and
>undoing the split with a single keystroke.
>
>73,
>Chuck NI0C
>K3 s/n 1061

PA3CW

Re: K3 switch macro update

My idea was to just use the same button to toggle on and off :), so that would not cost another programmable button. Don't know if this is possible
Tks,

Dick PA3CW

Greg - AB7R wrote

Very true. But just exiting split your modes will already be the same from your
previous macro execution. The only thing potentially lacking would be the
equalization of the VFOs. But that does not really matter unless you are going to
go into split again. And if you are, you will probably use your macro again which
will set it all up for you anyway.

To me it seems just exiting split would be easier and save a button for another
macro.

-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Tue Oct 27 9:19 , Chuck Guenther <charles9415@att.net> sent:

>Greg - AB7R wrote:
>> Or just a HOLD of the SPLIT button to turn it off???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Of course that will work, Greg; however the UNSPLT macro has the
>advantage of equalizing VFO A and B frequencies and bandwidths and
>undoing the split with a single keystroke.
>
>73,
>Chuck NI0C
>K3 s/n 1061

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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: K3 switch macro update

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:44 AM, PA3CW <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> My idea was to just use the same button to toggle on and off :), so that
> would not cost another programmable button. Don't know if this is possible

But it doesn't cost another button - the action to turn SPLIT off is
already there!

Unless you had your VFOs linked, they would probably not have been on
the same frequency before you invoked the macro anyway, so setting
them back to the same frequency may not put things back to the way
they were before.

Macros, by definition, are special instructions that expand into a
sequence of discrete instructions, and so are not stateful - you don't
"turn a macro on", you "execute" it.

Can you more clearly articulate what action you might take, after
turning the split off, that would require the VFO B frequency to be
something specific?

~Iain / N6ML
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Ed Muns, W0YK

Re: K3 switch macro update

Many people also have the SUB on while SPLIT, so would be a second button
tap if they want to turn the SUB off as well. Others turn off RIT during
SPLIT and would want that enabled again. So, there is reason to "undo" or
"reverse" some macros. Having a toggle function saves a Programmable
Function button.

That said, as you point out, not every command is a simple two-state
function and thus the toggle action may be ambiguous. However, for macros
that contain only toggle commands, then a Programmable Function button can
be a single button toggle for that macro. For example, this macro toggles
SPLIT/SUB/RIT on and off:

SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;SWT48;SWT45;RC

Of course, for those who want to move VFO-B to an offset frequency or
explicitly turn RIT/XIT on or off (rather than toggling it), a macro
"toggle" feature is needed.

Ed - W0YK

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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: K3 switch macro update

I suppose it might be feasible to define pairs of "on" and "off"
macros and combine them into "toggleable" (?) switches (to save
buttons). I'm not sure how the current status could be represented on
the display, though.

I think that a complete macro "undo" is probably not feasible - there
are just too many variables.

~Iain / N6ML

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ed Muns <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Many people also have the SUB on while SPLIT, so would be a second button
> tap if they want to turn the SUB off as well. Others turn off RIT during
> SPLIT and would want that enabled again. So, there is reason to "undo" or
> "reverse" some macros. Having a toggle function saves a Programmable
> Function button.
>
> That said, as you point out, not every command is a simple two-state
> function and thus the toggle action may be ambiguous. However, for macros
> that contain only toggle commands, then a Programmable Function button can
> be a single button toggle for that macro. For example, this macro toggles
> SPLIT/SUB/RIT on and off:
>
> SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;SWT48;SWT45;RC
>
> Of course, for those who want to move VFO-B to an offset frequency or
> explicitly turn RIT/XIT on or off (rather than toggling it), a macro
> "toggle" feature is needed.
>
> Ed - W0YK
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> Ed Muns
> Muns Vineyard - www.munsvineyard.com
> FaceBook - www.facebook.com/munsvineyard
>
>

Richard Squire - HB9ANM

Re: K3 switch macro update

My latest suggestion for a "toggleable" split macro (including SUB on/off):

SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;UPB5;RT0;XT0;SWT48;

I assigned it to PF1 - works flawlessly.
But you'll need the latest Utility.
Just loaded Utility 1.2.10.27 and FW MCU 3.52 - no problem!
This was my third download in 24 hours - looks like Wayne, Lyle etc. are busy!

I used to stick to "regular" releases - but changing my mind has made my ham life much more interesting.
Thanks again, Elecraft!

Richard - HB9ANM

<quote author="Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2">
I suppose it might be feasible to define pairs of "on" and "off"
macros and combine them into "toggleable" (?) switches (to save
buttons). I'm not sure how the current status could be represented on
the display, though.

I think that a complete macro "undo" is probably not feasible - there
are just too many variables.

Richard - HB9ANM

M0XDF

Re: K3 switch macro update

In reply to this post by Ed Muns, W0YK

so would it be possible to define a macro as the sibling of another
macro (or a way to pair them up) - such that if one macro is applied,
pressing the same button applies the other macro. Then another press
applys the first. It would require a way to identify two linked macros
and the f/w to record which one is current.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
--
Write the bad things that are done to you in the sand, but write the
good things that happen to you on a piece of marble. -Arabian wisdom

On 28 Oct 2009, at 16:51, Ed Muns wrote:

> Many people also have the SUB on while SPLIT, so would be a second
> button
> tap if they want to turn the SUB off as well. Others turn off RIT
> during
> SPLIT and would want that enabled again. So, there is reason to
> "undo" or
> "reverse" some macros. Having a toggle function saves a Programmable
> Function button.
>
> That said, as you point out, not every command is a simple two-state
> function and thus the toggle action may be ambiguous. However, for
> macros
> that contain only toggle commands, then a Programmable Function
> button can
> be a single button toggle for that macro. For example, this macro
> toggles
> SPLIT/SUB/RIT on and off:
>
> SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;SWT48;SWT45;RC
>
> Of course, for those who want to move VFO-B to an offset frequency or
> explicitly turn RIT/XIT on or off (rather than toggling it), a macro
> "toggle" feature is needed.