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Stephen G4SJP

K3: switching on click

I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external speakers,
the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.

73, Stephen G4SJP
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Torrey Mitchell

Re: K3: switching on click

I near nothing but the soft mechanical click of a relay before the audio
appears at the speakers. Mine was bought and built in June 2011.
73 Torrey N9PY

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3: switching on click

I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external speakers,
the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.

73, Stephen G4SJP
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Stephen G4SJP

Re: K3: switching on click

I confess that it never really bothered me until I started to use external
speakers, and when I use head phones the K3 gets turned on before I put the
headphones on.

I bought the K3 a couple of years ago, it's #980. Maybe something in the
hardware has changed since. It's no big deal, I was just curious as to what
others thought.

73, Stephen

On 4 September 2011 19:41, Torrey Mitchell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I near nothing but the soft mechanical click of a relay before the audio
> appears at the speakers. Mine was bought and built in June 2011.
> 73 Torrey N9PY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephen Prior
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:13 PM
> To: Elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: switching on click
>
> I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
> turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external
> speakers,
> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
> It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
> for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
>
> 73, Stephen G4SJP
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Pierfrancesco Caci

Re: K3: switching on click

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>>>>> "Torrey" == Torrey Mitchell <[hidden email]> writes:

Torrey> I near nothing but the soft mechanical click of a relay
Torrey> before the audio
Torrey> appears at the speakers. Mine was bought and built in June 2011.
Torrey> 73 Torrey N9PY

mine briefly goes on tx (or maybe it's just the front panel leds
flashing) and then makes a pop on the speakers.
#5305 built in april 2011, fw 4.39

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k5oai

Re: K3: switching on click

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maybe check the config cw wght
tap 4 ... set to auto off
keeps cw vox off on power up

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 9/4/2011 1:13 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:

> I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
> turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external speakers,
> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
> It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
> for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
>
> 73, Stephen G4SJP
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Stephen G4SJP

Re: K3: switching on click

Hi Sam

That does make a difference, but there is still a pronounced series of
clicks over the second or so it takes the K3 to boot up. Thanks for
alerting me to that anyway.

73, Stephen

On 4 September 2011 20:00, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> maybe check the config cw wght
> tap 4 ... set to auto off
> keeps cw vox off on power up
>
>
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
>
> On 9/4/2011 1:13 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
> > I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
> > turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external
> speakers,
> > the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the
> radio.
> > It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be
> muted
> > for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
> >
> > 73, Stephen G4SJP
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k5oai

Re: K3: switching on click

I hear clicks also
but they are directly from the K3
like relays getting themselves set where they should be

then I hear one pop from the
amplified stereo computer speakers
I have plugged into the stereo speaker jack in back

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 9/4/2011 2:06 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:

> Hi Sam
>
> That does make a difference, but there is still a pronounced series of clicks
> over the second or so it takes the K3 to boot up. Thanks for alerting me to
> that anyway.
>
> 73, Stephen
>
> On 4 September 2011 20:00, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> maybe check the config cw wght
> tap 4 ... set to auto off
> keeps cw vox off on power up
>
>
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
>
> On 9/4/2011 1:13 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
> > I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
> > turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external speakers,
> > the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
> > It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
> > for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
> >
> > 73, Stephen G4SJP
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Ramiro Aceves

Re: K3: switching on click

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Hello Stephen and others

On K3 turn on, I hear two clicks on the speaker before the display turns
on (not the relay clicks).
I also hear a click during K3 turning off, just when the display turns off.

I agree with you, it is a stupid thing but they to not match with a
superb radio.

73, EA4NZ (ex-EA1ABZ)

El 04/09/11 20:13, Stephen Prior escribió:

Stephen G4SJP

Re: K3: switching on click

In reply to this post by k5oai

I'm using amplified speakers too, and also plugged into the stereo speaker
jack. I'm hearing far more than just one pop, but about 4 in total, one
before the relays start switching and then the other pops/clicks over the
next second or so, even with the AF gain on the radio turned down
to minimum. Clearly I seem to have a more severe case than some, but I'm not
worried about it, just curious. As Ramiro said, it doesn't match with a
quality radio. If I had a motorbike though, I'd rather it sounded like a
Harley than a Honda!!

Changing the subject completely, I just worked 5B4AIF on 21MHz ssb (very
rare mode for me!) on 100mW output to a doublet. At least the mojo is still
working!!

73, Stephen

On 4 September 2011 20:17, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I hear clicks also
> but they are directly from the K3
> like relays getting themselves set where they should be
>
> then I hear one pop from the
> amplified stereo computer speakers
> I have plugged into the stereo speaker jack in back
>
>
>
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
>
> On 9/4/2011 2:06 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
> > Hi Sam
> >
> > That does make a difference, but there is still a pronounced series of
> clicks
> > over the second or so it takes the K3 to boot up. Thanks for alerting me
> to
> > that anyway.
> >
> > 73, Stephen
> >
> > On 4 September 2011 20:00, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]
> > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> > maybe check the config cw wght
> > tap 4 ... set to auto off
> > keeps cw vox off on power up
> >
> >
> > GB & 73
> > K5OAI
> > Sam Morgan
> >
> > On 9/4/2011 1:13 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
> > > I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a
> pronounced
> > > turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external
> speakers,
> > > the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of
> the radio.
> > > It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were
> to be muted
> > > for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
> > >
> > > 73, Stephen G4SJP
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Ramiro Aceves

Re: K3: switching on click

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oops,

Forgot to say mine is SN 3757

73, EA4NZ (ex-EA1ABZ)

El 04/09/11 21:23, Ramiro Aceves escribió:

> Hello Stephen and others
>
> On K3 turn on, I hear two clicks on the speaker before the display turns
> on (not the relay clicks).
> I also hear a click during K3 turning off, just when the display turns off.
>
> I agree with you, it is a stupid thing but they to not match with a
> superb radio.
>
> 73, EA4NZ (ex-EA1ABZ)
>
>
> El 04/09/11 20:13, Stephen Prior escribió:
>> I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
>> turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external
>> speakers,
>> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the
>> radio.
>> It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be
>> muted
>> for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
>>
>> 73, Stephen G4SJP
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Dick Roth

Re: K3: switching on click

Just turned on my K3 (#859). Forty meters came up neat as you please
with no pops or other nasty artifacts. It's connected to Bose Companion
3 Series 2. Just my 2 cents...

--
73 de Dick, ka1oz
Elecraft K3/100
GAP Titan-DX Antenna

On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 21:30 +0200, Ramiro Aceves wrote:

> oops,
>
> Forgot to say mine is SN 3757
>
> 73, EA4NZ (ex-EA1ABZ)
>
> El 04/09/11 21:23, Ramiro Aceves escribió:
> > Hello Stephen and others
> >
> > On K3 turn on, I hear two clicks on the speaker before the display turns
> > on (not the relay clicks).
> > I also hear a click during K3 turning off, just when the display turns off.
> >
> > I agree with you, it is a stupid thing but they to not match with a
> > superb radio.
> >
> > 73, EA4NZ (ex-EA1ABZ)
> >

[snip]

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k5oai

Re: K3: switching on click

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please note the following is meant as a bit of humor
a tongue in cheek JOKE if you will, on a slow list day
NOT an attack on anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/rant on

and all these annoying miscellaneous clicks and pops
that are so indicative of the K3 being of such a poor quality radio
are evident only when attaching something external
not made by Elecraft to the ELECRAFT K3

gezz folks,
can't you just enjoy the fact that you
are the proud owner of an exceptional radio to play with,
after it gets fired up and operational?

or maybe better yet
consider selling your K3s
so you won't be troubled by such blatant indications of shoddy workmanship
then you can *itch and moan on some other list about
all this petty little *rap

some times it just gets to be almost to much to bare

/rant off

p.s.
other options available
1) leave the rig on 24/7
2) get someone else to go in and turn the k3 on for you
so your delicate sensibilities are shielded from
dealing with all these horrific 'electronic clicks and pops'
3) take up knitting

have a nice day and keep smiling <big_grin>

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

> the K3 has a pronounced turn on click through the loudspeaker.
> When connected to external speakers,
> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
>>
> On K3 turn on, I hear two clicks on the speaker before the display turns
> on (not the relay clicks).
> I also hear a click during K3 turning off, just when the display turns off.
>
> I agree with you, it is a stupid thing but they to not match with a
> superb radio.
>

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Stephen Prior

Re: K3: switching on click

Sam,

I'm guided by 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'. The K3 is one
great radio, but the snap crackle and pop (even with the built-in speaker)
put my teeth on edge, it's as simple as that. It's like a loud start-up
rattle on an otherwise fine engine. If you haven't read the book, it's a
fine read, in fact as it says on the cover, it changed my life!

I shan't be selling the K3, in fact I have the KX3 in my sights now, not
to mention the KPA500, and the ATU!

End of thread, unless Wayne or Eric would care to comment ;-)

73, Stephen G4SJP

On 04/09/2011 20:50, "Sam Morgan" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>please note the following is meant as a bit of humor
>a tongue in cheek JOKE if you will, on a slow list day
>NOT an attack on anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>/rant on
>
>and all these annoying miscellaneous clicks and pops
>that are so indicative of the K3 being of such a poor quality radio
>are evident only when attaching something external
>not made by Elecraft to the ELECRAFT K3
>
>gezz folks,
>can't you just enjoy the fact that you
>are the proud owner of an exceptional radio to play with,
>after it gets fired up and operational?
>
>or maybe better yet
>consider selling your K3s
>so you won't be troubled by such blatant indications of shoddy workmanship
>then you can *itch and moan on some other list about
>all this petty little *rap
>
>some times it just gets to be almost to much to bare
>
>/rant off
>
>p.s.
>other options available
>1) leave the rig on 24/7
>2) get someone else to go in and turn the k3 on for you
>so your delicate sensibilities are shielded from
>dealing with all these horrific 'electronic clicks and pops'
>3) take up knitting
>
>have a nice day and keep smiling <big_grin>
>
>GB & 73
>K5OAI
>Sam Morgan
>
> > the K3 has a pronounced turn on click through the loudspeaker.
> > When connected to external speakers,
> > the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the
>radio.
>>>
>> On K3 turn on, I hear two clicks on the speaker before the display turns
>> on (not the relay clicks).
>> I also hear a click during K3 turning off, just when the display turns
>>off.
>>
>> I agree with you, it is a stupid thing but they to not match with a
>> superb radio.
>>
>
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K5SM

Re: K3: switching on click

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Stephen, you make a valid point. I have external speakers connected on
my K3, and it produces a pronounced double click or pop upon power up. I
would appreciate a more or less silent power on sequence myself.

Bob K5SM

On 9/4/2011 1:41 PM, Torrey Mitchell wrote:

> I near nothing but the soft mechanical click of a relay before the audio
> appears at the speakers. Mine was bought and built in June 2011.
> 73 Torrey N9PY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephen Prior
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:13 PM
> To: Elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: switching on click
>
> I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
> turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external speakers,
> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
> It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
> for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
>
> 73, Stephen G4SJP
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hf4me

Re: K3: switching on click

Turn the K3 on THEN the speakers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Redmon" <[hidden email]>
To: "Torrey Mitchell" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "'Elecraft'" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: switching on click

> Stephen, you make a valid point. I have external speakers connected on
> my K3, and it produces a pronounced double click or pop upon power up. I
> would appreciate a more or less silent power on sequence myself.
>
> Bob K5SM
>
> On 9/4/2011 1:41 PM, Torrey Mitchell wrote:
>> I near nothing but the soft mechanical click of a relay before the audio
>> appears at the speakers. Mine was bought and built in June 2011.
>> 73 Torrey N9PY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephen Prior
>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:13 PM
>> To: Elecraft
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3: switching on click
>>
>> I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
>> turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external
>> speakers,
>> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the
>> radio.
>> It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be
>> muted
>> for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
>>
>> 73, Stephen G4SJP
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3: switching on click

In reply to this post by k5oai

> maybe check the config cw wght
> tap 4 ... set to auto off
> keeps cw vox off on power up

Makes no difference and "auto off" is a flaming PITA! It means that
the radio is never in the same state as the user left it - a major
violation of the "no unexpected behavior" rule.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 9/4/2011 3:00 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

> maybe check the config cw wght
> tap 4 ... set to auto off
> keeps cw vox off on power up
>
>
> GB& 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
>
> On 9/4/2011 1:13 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
>> I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
>> turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external speakers,
>> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
>> It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
>> for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
>>
>> 73, Stephen G4SJP
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Richard Squire - HB9ANM

Re: K3: switching on click

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I wonder whether all this talk about snaps, crackles and pops is worth the bandwidth...
I hear the relay clicks and one light pop on my s/n 586 too... So what?
If Eric "cares to comment", as someone said, I can imagine what he's going to say

73
Richard

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Mike Reublin

Re: K3: switching on click

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The external speakers have a pretty loud pop at power on. The headphones do not. K3 3539.

73, Mike NF4L

On 9/4/2011 2:13 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:

gm3sek

Re: K3: switching on click

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Stephen, you are a saint! I'd have gone back with exactly what he
deserved.

>
>I'm guided by 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'. The K3 is
>one great radio, but the snap crackle and pop (even with the built-in
>speaker) put my teeth on edge, it's as simple as that. It's like a
>loud start-up rattle on an otherwise fine engine. If you haven't read
>the book, it's a fine read, in fact as it says on the cover, it changed
>my life!
>

Agreed: the K3 attracts radio amateurs who are in pursuit of <quality>
in that special sense which Pirsig spends half the book explaining.

I thought Elecraft genuinely understood that, but as the K3 has moved
into mainstream production with so many of its initial problems still
unaddressed, I'm becoming far less sure.

"Operation of K3 radio require great peace of mind"... but we're still
not being given that.

--

73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Re: K3: switching on click -- One wonders...

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I run K3/100 Ser. No. 4103. It has a relay click on power on, but
nothing from the speakers. Go figure...

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 9/4/2011 4:46 PM, Mike wrote:

> The external speakers have a pretty loud pop at power on. The headphones do not. K3 3539.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 9/4/2011 2:13 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
>> I think that this has been mentioned before, but the K3 has a pronounced
>> turn on click through the loudspeaker. When connected to external speakers,
>> the click is loud and out of character with the quality feel of the radio.
>> It would be a good idea in my opinion if the audio output were to be muted
>> for a fraction of a second after the K3 is turned on.
>>
>> 73, Stephen G4SJP
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