K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
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Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker
with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have used the Gap "Hear It" and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very
similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
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Not with my K3 but in the truck with a Kenwood 480. The CS is "one knob variable" from zero to max noise reduction, just right for mobile ops. Eyes on the road noise reduction.
That said, the K3 NR is much more elegant though it needs more interaction from the operator. But at the desk I don't find that an issue. Can't imagine a CS speaker would add anything to a shack equipped with a K3. Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote: > Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? > > Thanks, > > Bill W2BLC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Keith,
I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap "Hear It" and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I wasn't the one asking the question. I was only responding with my
insight. I also listen with the SGC ADSP2 speaker, but I do not find it very useful with actual QSO's. How do you get around the relearn time of the DSP speaker when switching from transmit to receive? Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "34france" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Keith, I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap "Hear It" and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have the GAP Hear It on my K3 and in the car. I have the Clear Speech on my boat with a Icom M802. I find they reduce substantially the background noise. It is particularly helpful in the car and on the boat but I also love it in my shack.
Jack W4GRJ On Aug 31, 2013, at 13:13, <[hidden email]> wrote: I wasn't the one asking the question. I was only responding with my insight. I also listen with the SGC ADSP2 speaker, but I do not find it very useful with actual QSO's. How do you get around the relearn time of the DSP speaker when switching from transmit to receive? Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "34france" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Keith, I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap "Hear It" and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker
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I was planning on getting a K3. Can someone explain to me why so many ops use external DSPs. Is the K3 DSP not working well enough. I would prefer to have everything in a box without many peripherals, as I got these anyway for SO2R, antenna switching etc....
So, again, how good or bad is the K3 DSP. My main focus is CW and low bands. Well I am on the high bands too, but I do not see a need for DSP there. Current rig is a K2. Thanks Andy KU7T -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W4GRJ Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:16 PM To: <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have the GAP Hear It on my K3 and in the car. I have the Clear Speech on my boat with a Icom M802. I find they reduce substantially the background noise. It is particularly helpful in the car and on the boat but I also love it in my shack. Jack W4GRJ On Aug 31, 2013, at 13:13, <[hidden email]> wrote: I wasn't the one asking the question. I was only responding with my insight. I also listen with the SGC ADSP2 speaker, but I do not find it very useful with actual QSO's. How do you get around the relearn time of the DSP speaker when switching from transmit to receive? Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "34france" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Keith, I have been using a Clear Speech AND an SGC ADSP simultaneously with a fixed K3 at my home base for several years. Basically, I leave it on 'ALL THE TIME'. It reduces 'ear fatigue' from extraneous noise and makes the whole experience inviting to have long casual 'rag chews' even between continents. Whenever I turn off the extra signal processing to reset the K3 settings to best performance, I inevitably turn it back on again, because the difference is so dramatic. Strong signals sound like local FM and weak signals are sometimes readable with the outboard DSP, while impossible without it. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Jerry (N4TSC) -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 23:23 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker I have used the Gap "Hear It" and SGC ADSP2 speakers, which are very similar, and they have their advantages. I prefer the SGC because of it's ease of switching between 0db, -13db or -26db noise reduction with a single switch. I use the SGC on 6M, when I want to monitor 50.125 USB continuously. I put it in the -26dB mode and all the static is gone, so I just wait for voices to show up. Unfortunately it makes everything sound like water dripping, which can be a little annoying. The GAP is either on or off, and you are constaly messing with the switches on the back of it to change the level. Generally the DSP speakers have a slight delay, which can be a problem. Every time you switch from transmit to receive, the DSP speaker has to relearn its parameters, so the first 1/2 second or so is without DSP. It is amazing how often this is the other call you are trying to pick out, which is obliterated by the initial switch-over noise. I have a K3, and have not found it's DSP to be particulary useful. Usually by the time I need to use the NR on the K3, the signal I am listening to is too far gone for it to really help much. Keith KB9WMJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - using Clear Speech Speaker Is anyone using the West Mountain Clear Speech Noise Reduction Speaker with their K3? If so, how do you like and what does it do for you that the K3 does not? Thanks, Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Andy,
The K3 DSP works just fine. In fact all the filtering, modulation, demodulation as well as many other radio functions are implemented in DSP firmware, not just the NR that has been recently discussed. These folks have specifically been talking about the K3 Noise Reduction algorithms. There are many settings for the K3 NR algorithm, and they are set on a per mode basis. It may take a bit of experimenting to find the setting that is most effective for your use since the best one depends on the characteristics of the noise as well as the mode being used. Some have commented that since they had the external device and it worked well with other radios, they also found it useful with the K3, and they did not have to experiment with the variety of settings offered by the K3. If you are happy with the noise reduction in the KDSP2, be aware that all the K3 DSP firmware has been designed by the same person who designed the KDSP2 - Lyle Johnson KK7P. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/3/2013 12:04 PM, Andreas Hofmann wrote: > I was planning on getting a K3. Can someone explain to me why so many ops use external DSPs. Is the K3 DSP not working well enough. I would prefer to have everything in a box without many peripherals, as I got these anyway for SO2R, antenna switching etc.... > > So, again, how good or bad is the K3 DSP. My main focus is CW and low bands. Well I am on the high bands too, but I do not see a need for DSP there. Current rig is a K2. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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When using a Clear Speech Speaker, does one need to change the MENU SPEAKER setting to 1? I'm using 2 speakers right now. The Clear Speech Speaker comes with a stereo cable.
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