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There's an interesting IC-7600 review on eHam where "RFEXPERT" is
comparing his new IC-7600 with his K3. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7775 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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It's too bad that "RFEXPERT" does not identify himself so that one could
measure "RFEXPERT"'s ability to make such an analysis. 73, Bob W5OV -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave G4AON Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:20 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 There's an interesting IC-7600 review on eHam where "RFEXPERT" is comparing his new IC-7600 with his K3. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7775 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Not necessary.
Everyone is allowed to make their biased analysis. If you read carefully you will notice he mentions good and bad points for both models. And his comment is either 'recognizeable' or not. I do not need his name, I read his comment a few times carefully and I can verify his positive and negative comments on the K3. In the end it is up to everyone themselves to decide wether the comment is valid in their situation or not. 73 Mark, PA5MW Robert Naumann wrote: > It's too bad that "RFEXPERT" does not identify himself so that one could > measure "RFEXPERT"'s ability to make such an analysis. > > 73, > > Bob W5OV > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Mark,
Certainly everyone is entitled to his own opinion and I did note that he makes comments both pro and con on both radios - sort of. It is my biased personal opinion that such anonymous critiques are not worth reading nor worth taking any note of since the source is completely unknown and unverifiable. 73, Bob W5OV -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:41 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 Not necessary. Everyone is allowed to make their biased analysis. If you read carefully you will notice he mentions good and bad points for both models. And his comment is either 'recognizeable' or not. I do not need his name, I read his comment a few times carefully and I can verify his positive and negative comments on the K3. In the end it is up to everyone themselves to decide wether the comment is valid in their situation or not. 73 Mark, PA5MW Robert Naumann wrote: > It's too bad that "RFEXPERT" does not identify himself so that one could > measure "RFEXPERT"'s ability to make such an analysis. > > 73, > > Bob W5OV > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> Everyone is allowed to make their biased analysis. However, it is not appropriate to shill for a manufacturer. Analysis should be balanced and based on accurate information. > If you read carefully you will notice he mentions good and > bad points for both models. Unfortunately, each of his "complaints" about the K3 have been resolved in current software - particularly the AGC "mush" and wandering power in SSB. Compared with the K3, the 7600 is overpriced and lacking. "Dual Watch" is a joke compared to the KRX3 and even with USB pasted over the CI-V interface, the protocol still fails even to allow access to BOTH VFOs without actually making the second VFO active! 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mark > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:41 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 > > > Not necessary. > Everyone is allowed to make their biased analysis. > If you read carefully you will notice he mentions good and bad points > for both models. > And his comment is either 'recognizeable' or not. > > I do not need his name, I read his comment a few times > carefully and I can verify his positive and negative comments > on the K3. > > In the end it is up to everyone themselves to decide wether > the comment > is valid in their situation or not. > > 73 Mark, PA5MW > > > Robert Naumann wrote: > > It's too bad that "RFEXPERT" does not identify himself so that one > > could measure "RFEXPERT"'s ability to make such an analysis. > > > > 73, > > > > Bob W5OV > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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We beat this review to death two months ago. Check the archives.
Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Everyone is allowed to make their biased analysis. > > Compared with the K3, the 7600 is overpriced and lacking. > "Dual Watch" is a joke compared to the KRX3 and even with > USB pasted over the CI-V interface, the protocol still fails > even to allow access to BOTH VFOs without actually making > the second VFO active! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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No, that was his review of the IC-7700. The subject review of the
IC-7600 was just posted yesterday. Bob NW8L On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:23 AM, SidShusterman <[hidden email]> wrote: > We beat this review to death two months ago. Â Check the archives. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Universal radio lists the radio as having
"104dB dynamic range and +30dbm 3rd order intercept point ". Maybe it will soon make the top of Sherwood's list. However, I do not see any mention of "diversity receive". |
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Unlikely since thy use a high first IF with their narrowest roofing
filter at 3 kHz. signals inside that filter will overload the first mixer and subsequent stages, well before any later crystal or DSP filtering can do any good. 73, Eric WA6HHQ HowardZ wrote: > Universal radio lists the radio as having > "104dB dynamic range and +30dbm 3rd order intercept point ". > > Maybe it will soon make the top of Sherwood's list. > > However, I do not see any mention of "diversity receive". > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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The IC7600 was reviewed by Peter Hart, G3SJX, in June's RSGB RadCom. The
receiver performance is mediocre, only at 50 KHz signal spacing does the 7600 have 104 dB of dynamic range. At 3 KHz spacing it was noise limited, at 5 KHz spacing Peter squeezed 87 dB by using the 15 KHz roofing filter, but was noise limited with the 6 or 3 KHz roofing filters. The review is currently available to RSGB members via the RSGB web site. Please don't ask me to send anyone a copy. 73 Dave, G4AON ========================= Universal radio lists the radio as having "104dB dynamic range and +30dbm 3rd order intercept point ". Maybe it will soon make the top of Sherwood's list. However, I do not see any mention of "diversity receive". ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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No doubt the K3 performs better but there is one feature on the 7600 that is
nice, the USB port. You can run digital modes from the pc with only one USB cable which handles serial commands plus audio in/out. The sound card connection is no longer needed. Several users are running MixW in this fashion. Steve Ellington [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G4AON" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 > The IC7600 was reviewed by Peter Hart, G3SJX, in June's RSGB RadCom. The > receiver performance is mediocre, only at 50 KHz signal spacing does the > 7600 have 104 dB of dynamic range. At 3 KHz spacing it was noise > limited, at 5 KHz spacing Peter squeezed 87 dB by using the 15 KHz > roofing filter, but was noise limited with the 6 or 3 KHz roofing filters. > > The review is currently available to RSGB members via the RSGB web site. > Please don't ask me to send anyone a copy. > > 73 Dave, G4AON > ========================= > Universal radio lists the radio as having > "104dB dynamic range and +30dbm 3rd order intercept point ". > > Maybe it will soon make the top of Sherwood's list. > > However, I do not see any mention of "diversity receive". > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Icom may be the master of misleading advertising. The "3 kHz" BW filter Eric refers to above has actually been measured at 5.2 kHz by Sherwood (assuming it's the same one used in the IC-7800). The following is a direct quote from Sherwood regarding the 7800's "3 kHz" and "6 kHz" (actually measured 11 kHz) filters below: "The 3 kHz (5.2 kHz in my radio) roofing filter had a couple dB more IMD than the 6 kHz (11 kHz) filter." Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ic7800/message/5417 I do not believe any Icom advertising...which is what Universal Radio's comments are based on. If you wait for ARRL, RSGB (already published?) or Sherwood tests of the 7600, my guess is its close-spaced IMD performance will be about 20-25 dB worse than the K3. Remember the advertising claims for the Ultimate Transceiver (the IC-7800)? Look where it falls in close-spaced IMD performance on Sherwood's site (80 dB is actually identical to a little K2...and $10,000 less expensive!) Regarding the anonymous "RFEXPERT"...this self-proclaimed "expert" reaches different conclusions about the K3 compared to genuine RF experts like W8JI and ON4UN (both now K3 users). Talk is cheap...especially when we don't know who's doing the talking. Independent test results speak louder to me than any Icom advertising. 73, Bill |
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I still for the life of me can't understand why the K3 didn't
Come with a USB port instead of the outdated com port. That is One reason I have not bought one yet. Maybe in a future mod They will address this. Dan N0DT -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steve Ellington Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:56 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 No doubt the K3 performs better but there is one feature on the 7600 that is nice, the USB port. You can run digital modes from the pc with only one USB cable which handles serial commands plus audio in/out. The sound card connection is no longer needed. Several users are running MixW in this fashion. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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That feature can be had on almost any radio, K3 included. I have got
Microham MicrokeyerII and now I can do with just one USB connection to computer. That includes audio, CAT, PTT,CW,FSK. In addition Microkeyer has winkey built in and PTT sequencer to deal with external RX and TX amps. 73, Igor UA9CDC > No doubt the K3 performs better but there is one feature on the 7600 that > is > nice, the USB port. You can run digital modes from the pc with only one > USB > cable which handles serial commands plus audio in/out. The sound card > connection is no longer needed. Several users are running MixW in this > fashion. > > Steve Ellington > [hidden email] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave G4AON" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 > > >> The IC7600 was reviewed by Peter Hart, G3SJX, in June's RSGB RadCom. The >> receiver performance is mediocre, only at 50 KHz signal spacing does the >> 7600 have 104 dB of dynamic range. At 3 KHz spacing it was noise >> limited, at 5 KHz spacing Peter squeezed 87 dB by using the 15 KHz >> roofing filter, but was noise limited with the 6 or 3 KHz roofing >> filters. >> >> The review is currently available to RSGB members via the RSGB web site. >> Please don't ask me to send anyone a copy. >> >> 73 Dave, G4AON >> ========================= >> Universal radio lists the radio as having >> "104dB dynamic range and +30dbm 3rd order intercept point ". >> >> Maybe it will soon make the top of Sherwood's list. >> >> However, I do not see any mention of "diversity receive". >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Dan Copeland wrote:
> ....can't understand why the K3 didn't > come with a USB port instead of the outdated com port. The KIO3's digital I/O module could be replaced with one that has USB rather than RS232 -- or better yet, both. We planned for this. The reason we went with RS232 initially is that many hams are still using PCs that have only RS232 ports. Those who prefer to use USB can use an inexpensive USB-to-RS232 adapter. There is no difference in I/O performance between the two methods. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Errr...How do U get the audio from the rig to that microhammicrokeyertwo
Igor om? Steve Ellington [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Sokolov" <[hidden email]> To: "Steve Ellington" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 > That feature can be had on almost any radio, K3 included. I have got > Microham MicrokeyerII and now I can do with just one USB connection to > computer. That includes audio, CAT, PTT,CW,FSK. In addition Microkeyer has > winkey built in and PTT sequencer to deal with external RX and TX amps. > > 73, Igor UA9CDC > >> No doubt the K3 performs better but there is one feature on the 7600 that >> is >> nice, the USB port. You can run digital modes from the pc with only one >> USB >> cable which handles serial commands plus audio in/out. The sound card >> connection is no longer needed. Several users are running MixW in this >> fashion. >> >> Steve Ellington >> [hidden email] >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave G4AON" <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 >> >> >>> The IC7600 was reviewed by Peter Hart, G3SJX, in June's RSGB RadCom. The >>> receiver performance is mediocre, only at 50 KHz signal spacing does the >>> 7600 have 104 dB of dynamic range. At 3 KHz spacing it was noise >>> limited, at 5 KHz spacing Peter squeezed 87 dB by using the 15 KHz >>> roofing filter, but was noise limited with the 6 or 3 KHz roofing >>> filters. >>> >>> The review is currently available to RSGB members via the RSGB web site. >>> Please don't ask me to send anyone a copy. >>> >>> 73 Dave, G4AON >>> ========================= >>> Universal radio lists the radio as having >>> "104dB dynamic range and +30dbm 3rd order intercept point ". >>> >>> Maybe it will soon make the top of Sherwood's list. >>> >>> However, I do not see any mention of "diversity receive". >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Because an RS232 port is much more nearly universal. Because it's pretty
easy to add USB support to a serial port and a problem to add serial support to a USB port. And, if you really want a USB port with sound "card" included, design one, or get one of the several vendors of standalone boxes that do that to design one for the K3 to replace the IO panel of the K3. Because with built-in USB support gets more complicated. We were talking about this at the NCCC meeting last night, in fact. And I suspect there are other reasons. 73, doug From: "Dan Copeland" <[hidden email]> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:11:29 -0500 I still for the life of me can't understand why the K3 didn't Come with a USB port instead of the outdated com port. That is One reason I have not bought one yet. Maybe in a future mod They will address this. Dan N0DT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 13:11 -0500, Dan Copeland wrote:
> I still for the life of me can't understand why the K3 didn't > Come with a USB port instead of the outdated com port. I am so glad it doesn't have USB. I have a drawer full of USB devices that are now unusable because their vendors stopped supporting them with drivers and/or did not freely publish the information required for 3rd parties to write drivers For the K3 you can get a USB-Serial cable for a few Dollars on ebay, job done. If in a few years you find your version of windows/mac/linux no longer supports this cable then buy a new one for a couple of bucks. no need to buy a new radio in this case! Many devices that are 'USB' are really serial (perhaps at TLL levels) and the USB bit is simply a USB to Serial adapter chip Icom's USB (if it's similar to that on my IC-R1500 in any case) is simply serial CI-V (*)done over USB with a proprietary USB sound-card on top, If Icom's drivers work for you great, if you run Linux / mac etc you may be out of luck.. (*) complete with no proper support for Detecting Split operation for logging purposes In a few years time when Icom decide I should have a new radio then USB driver support for the R1500 will probably cease.. RS232 is not 'outdated' it's a reliable standard that has been around a while. USB may be a standard but the software layer (drivers) needed to make USB stuff actually do anything is anything but 'standard' and this is where the manufacturers have the customer by the 'proverbials' USB, the Un-compatible Serial Bus .. > That is > One reason I have not bought one yet. Maybe in a future mod > They will address this. this is a mod I will not be buying .. > Dan N0DT > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steve Ellington > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:56 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 > > No doubt the K3 performs better but there is one feature on the 7600 that is > nice, the USB port. You can run digital modes from the pc with only one USB > cable which handles serial commands plus audio in/out. The sound card > connection is no longer needed. Several users are running MixW in this > fashion. > -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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>> ....can't understand why the K3 didn't
>> come with a USB port instead of the outdated com port. I can't speak on behalf of Elecraft but for the majority of us, it's a simple matter to convert from serial to USB and more difficult to convert in the opposite direction. USB ports are not nearly as mechanically secure as the DB-9 connector. An accidental strike of the USB plug in the lateral direction can easily cause damage the mating USB socket inside the rig (like a K3 used portable). I've broken a couple USB ports on my laptop PCs as a result of inadvertent strikes. Myself, I would like to see the beginnings of an optical S/PDIF standard that incorporates audio + data/rig control. Paul, W9AC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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FYI. The 7600 also has the serial C1-V for those who need it.
Steve Ellington [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brendan Minish" <[hidden email]> To: "Dan Copeland" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 > On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 13:11 -0500, Dan Copeland wrote: >> I still for the life of me can't understand why the K3 didn't >> Come with a USB port instead of the outdated com port. > > I am so glad it doesn't have USB. I have a drawer full of USB devices > that are now unusable because their vendors stopped supporting them with > drivers and/or did not freely publish the information required for 3rd > parties to write drivers > > For the K3 you can get a USB-Serial cable for a few Dollars on ebay, job > done. If in a few years you find your version of windows/mac/linux no > longer supports this cable then buy a new one for a couple of bucks. no > need to buy a new radio in this case! > > Many devices that are 'USB' are really serial (perhaps at TLL levels) > and the USB bit is simply a USB to Serial adapter chip > > Icom's USB (if it's similar to that on my IC-R1500 in any case) is > simply serial CI-V (*)done over USB with a proprietary USB sound-card on > top, If Icom's drivers work for you great, if you run Linux / mac etc > you may be out of luck.. > > (*) complete with no proper support for Detecting Split operation for > logging purposes > > In a few years time when Icom decide I should have a new radio then USB > driver support for the R1500 will probably cease.. > > RS232 is not 'outdated' it's a reliable standard that has been around a > while. > USB may be a standard but the software layer (drivers) needed to make > USB stuff actually do anything is anything but 'standard' and this is > where the manufacturers have the customer by the 'proverbials' > > USB, the Un-compatible Serial Bus .. > > >> That is >> One reason I have not bought one yet. Maybe in a future mod >> They will address this. > > this is a mod I will not be buying .. > > >> Dan N0DT >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steve Ellington >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:56 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 vs. Icom IC-7600 >> >> No doubt the K3 performs better but there is one feature on the 7600 that >> is >> nice, the USB port. You can run digital modes from the pc with only one >> USB >> cable which handles serial commands plus audio in/out. The sound card >> connection is no longer needed. Several users are running MixW in this >> fashion. >> > > -- > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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