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Joe N9OK

K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a KIO3B
board. I've successfully configured most of what I need but RTTY has been a
problem.

What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3 is set
into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the radio has the
appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is no power. IE, TX
illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is silent and there is no RF
power. MIC gain is set the same for both modes. VOX is set for both (not
PTT).

The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've confirmed
the exact same problem occurs when I am running a stand-alone MMTTY
executable.

I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m looking for a
simple setup, and the documentation I've seen indicates that I should be
able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.

It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3. However,
that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the issue and it would
have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that there is a simple setup issue
that someone can direct me towards.

Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.

73, Joe N9OK
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Richard Ferch-2

Re: K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

Joe,

In AFSK A, the audio Mark frequency you choose in the software should match
(or at least be reasonably close to) the setting of the K3's PITCH control.
This is especially important if you have the CONFIG:AFSK TX setting set to
FIL ON (which is recommended). By any chance were you using a Mark tone in
the software that was different from the PITCH setting in the radio?

73,
Rich VE3KI

N9OK wrote:

Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a KIO3
Bboard. I've successfully configured most of what I need but RTTY has been
a problem.

What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3 is set
into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the radio has the
appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is no power. IE, TX
illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is silent and there is no RF
power. MIC gain is set the same for both modes. VOX is set for both (not
PTT).

The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've confirmed
the exact same problem occurs when I am running a stand-alone MMTTY
executable.

I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m looking for
asimple setup, and the documentation I've seen indicates that I should be
able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.

It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3. However,
that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the issue and it would
have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that there is a simple setup issue
that someone can direct me towards.

Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.

73, Joe N9OK
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Joe N9OK

Re: K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

In reply to this post by Joe N9OK

Line In is selected, I should have included that in my original posting.
73, Joe N9OK

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a KIO3B
> board. I've successfully configured most of what I need but RTTY has been a
> problem.
>
> What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3 is
> set into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the radio has
> the appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is no power. IE, TX
> illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is silent and there is no RF
> power. MIC gain is set the same for both modes. VOX is set for both (not
> PTT).
>
> The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've confirmed
> the exact same problem occurs when I am running a stand-alone MMTTY
> executable.
>
> I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m looking for
> a simple setup, and the documentation I've seen indicates that I should be
> able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.
>
> It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3. However,
> that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the issue and it would
> have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that there is a simple setup issue
> that someone can direct me towards.
>
> Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.
>
> 73, Joe N9OK
>

Joe N9OK

Re: K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

Can't figure out how to reply to your post Rich in your thread.
Audio Mark and Shift in MMTTY are identical to the Pitch control settings
in my K3.
MAIN:AFSK TX is set to Filter On. This makes no difference for my transmit
power, however.

73, Joe N9OK

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:06 PM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Line In is selected, I should have included that in my original posting.
> 73, Joe N9OK
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a KIO3B
>> board. I've successfully configured most of what I need but RTTY has been a
>> problem.
>>
>> What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3 is
>> set into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the radio has
>> the appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is no power. IE, TX
>> illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is silent and there is no RF
>> power. MIC gain is set the same for both modes. VOX is set for both (not
>> PTT).
>>
>> The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've confirmed
>> the exact same problem occurs when I am running a stand-alone MMTTY
>> executable.
>>
>> I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m looking for
>> a simple setup, and the documentation I've seen indicates that I should be
>> able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.
>>
>> It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3. However,
>> that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the issue and it would
>> have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that there is a simple setup issue
>> that someone can direct me towards.
>>
>> Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.
>>
>> 73, Joe N9OK
>>
>

Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

In MMTTY, check on the drop down menu under OPTIONS, then at the bottom
of the list, select SETUP menu, then TX pane.   Be sure the Digital
Output is about mid scale.   Also, make sure the computer SPKR level is
about 30 to 50% .

On the K3: From the MENU the MIC SEL should show LINE IN. The DATA MD
should be set for AFSK A and 45 BPS. The PITCH value should be 2125 -
170.    The setting for LINE gain {use the MIC control} should be about 30.

This works for my configuration when running MMTTY.

   73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/15/2020 12:14 PM, Joe N9OK wrote:

> Can't figure out how to reply to your post Rich in your thread.
> Audio Mark and Shift in MMTTY are identical to the Pitch control settings
> in my K3.
> MAIN:AFSK TX is set to Filter On. This makes no difference for my transmit
> power, however.
>
> 73, Joe N9OK
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:06 PM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Line In is selected, I should have included that in my original posting.
>> 73, Joe N9OK
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a KIO3B
>>> board. I've successfully configured most of what I need but RTTY has been a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3 is
>>> set into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the radio has
>>> the appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is no power. IE, TX
>>> illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is silent and there is no RF
>>> power. MIC gain is set the same for both modes. VOX is set for both (not
>>> PTT).
>>>
>>> The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've confirmed
>>> the exact same problem occurs when I am running a stand-alone MMTTY
>>> executable.
>>>
>>> I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m looking for
>>> a simple setup, and the documentation I've seen indicates that I should be
>>> able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.
>>>
>>> It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3. However,
>>> that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the issue and it would
>>> have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that there is a simple setup issue
>>> that someone can direct me towards.
>>>
>>> Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.
>>>
>>> 73, Joe N9OK
>>>
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Joe N9OK

Re: K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

In reply to this post by Joe N9OK

Not getting emails so my replies are not inline. Sorry...

Bob, with your exact settings I get the same problematic operation
originally mentioned in this thread. I'm starting to wonder if there
might be a defect in my K3?

73 Joe N9OK

"In MMTTY, check on the drop down menu under OPTIONS, then at the bottom
of the list, select SETUP menu, then TX pane. Be sure the Digital
Output is about mid scale. Also, make sure the computer SPKR level is
about 30 to 50% .

On the K3: From the MENU the MIC SEL should show LINE IN. The DATA MD
should be set for AFSK A and 45 BPS. The PITCH value should be 2125 -
170. The setting for LINE gain {use the MIC control} should be about 30.

This works for my configuration when running MMTTY.

73

Bob, K4TAX"

73, Joe N9OK

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:14 PM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can't figure out how to reply to your post Rich in your thread.
> Audio Mark and Shift in MMTTY are identical to the Pitch control settings
> in my K3.
> MAIN:AFSK TX is set to Filter On. This makes no difference for my transmit
> power, however.
>
> 73, Joe N9OK
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:06 PM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Line In is selected, I should have included that in my original posting.
>> 73, Joe N9OK
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a
>>> KIO3B board. I've successfully configured most of what I need but RTTY has
>>> been a problem.
>>>
>>> What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3 is
>>> set into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the radio has
>>> the appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is no power. IE, TX
>>> illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is silent and there is no RF
>>> power. MIC gain is set the same for both modes. VOX is set for both (not
>>> PTT).
>>>
>>> The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've confirmed
>>> the exact same problem occurs when I am running a stand-alone MMTTY
>>> executable.
>>>
>>> I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m
>>> looking for a simple setup, and the documentation I've seen indicates that
>>> I should be able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.
>>>
>>> It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3. However,
>>> that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the issue and it would
>>> have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that there is a simple setup issue
>>> that someone can direct me towards.
>>>
>>> Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.
>>>
>>> 73, Joe N9OK
>>>
>>

Rich-4

Re: K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

In reply to this post by Joe N9OK

In the Main Menu do you have:

MAIN = MIC SEL = LINE IN set ?

I think that is what fixed mine.

Rich

K3RWN

On 3/15/2020 12:42 PM, Joe N9OK wrote:

> Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a KIO3B
> board. I've successfully configured most of what I need but RTTY has been a
> problem.
>
> What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3 is set
> into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the radio has the
> appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is no power. IE, TX
> illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is silent and there is no RF
> power. MIC gain is set the same for both modes. VOX is set for both (not
> PTT).
>
> The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've confirmed
> the exact same problem occurs when I am running a stand-alone MMTTY
> executable.
>
> I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m looking for a
> simple setup, and the documentation I've seen indicates that I should be
> able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.
>
> It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3. However,
> that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the issue and it would
> have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that there is a simple setup issue
> that someone can direct me towards.
>
> Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.
>
> 73, Joe N9OK
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Ed Pflueger

Re: K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

In reply to this post by Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Also make sure your sound cards are set to USB Codecs in the software. Sometimes windows has played games with me and went back to the PC's default cards.

Ed.. AB4IQ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 w/KIO3B has confusing RTTY transmit behavior

In MMTTY, check on the drop down menu under OPTIONS, then at the bottom of the list, select SETUP menu, then TX pane. Be sure the Digital Output is about mid scale. Also, make sure the computer SPKR level is about 30 to 50% .

On the K3: From the MENU the MIC SEL should show LINE IN. The DATA MD should be set for AFSK A and 45 BPS. The PITCH value should be 2125 - 170. The setting for LINE gain {use the MIC control} should be about 30.

This works for my configuration when running MMTTY.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/15/2020 12:14 PM, Joe N9OK wrote:

> Can't figure out how to reply to your post Rich in your thread.
> Audio Mark and Shift in MMTTY are identical to the Pitch control
> settings in my K3.
> MAIN:AFSK TX is set to Filter On. This makes no difference for my
> transmit power, however.
>
> 73, Joe N9OK
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:06 PM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Line In is selected, I should have included that in my original posting.
>> 73, Joe N9OK
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe N9OK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I've recently upgraded my K3 with numerous upgrades including a
>>> KIO3B board. I've successfully configured most of what I need but
>>> RTTY has been a problem.
>>>
>>> What I see is that I am able to transmit power in RTTY mode if my K3
>>> is set into *DATA A* mode. If I set my K3 to *AFSK A* mode, the
>>> radio has the appearance of transmitting in RTTY mode but there is
>>> no power. IE, TX illuminates, the ACL meter moves. But Monitor is
>>> silent and there is no RF power. MIC gain is set the same for both
>>> modes. VOX is set for both (not PTT).
>>>
>>> The problem first showed up in DXLAB WinWarbler. However, I've
>>> confirmed the exact same problem occurs when I am running a
>>> stand-alone MMTTY executable.
>>>
>>> I realize that I could use an external FSK interface. But I"m
>>> looking for a simple setup, and the documentation I've seen
>>> indicates that I should be able to obtain output power using *AFSK A* mode.
>>>
>>> It appears to me that there is an audio routing issue in my K3.
>>> However, that seems unlikely, as others would have reported the
>>> issue and it would have been corrected. What I'm hoping is that
>>> there is a simple setup issue that someone can direct me towards.
>>>
>>> Any ideas would be extremely appreciated.
>>>
>>> 73, Joe N9OK
>>>
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