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K3S - APF/RTTY question

I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and was
struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully understand how to
get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At one point the K3S
appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would sometimes see his call
and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he was calling and didn't
consistently copy. I was never able to get HRD to copy any of it. I was in
Data mode and the CWT did show split tuning but I struggled to get the right
most set of bars to stay filled even after playing with the width/filter..

I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several websites on
setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good guide on the K3/S
with/without HRD on RTTY?

Thanks in advance.

Jerry Moore

AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324

An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.

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Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: K3S - APF/RTTY question

Has there ever been a "K3S" call issued? Wink
wink.
Chas

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night
(new mode for me) and was struggling to understand
the owner's manual. I don't fully understand how
to get the dual APF to display correctly and
setup. At one point the K3S appeared be decoding
correctly sometimes as I would sometimes see his
call and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he
was calling and didn't consistently copy. I was
never able to get HRD to copy any of it. I was in
Data mode and the CWT did show split tuning but I
struggled to get the right most set of bars to
stay filled even after playing with the
width/filter..

I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've
tried several websites on setting up for RTTY with
no success. Anyone have a good guide on the K3/S
with/without HRD on RTTY?

Thanks in advance.

Jerry Moore

AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324

An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive,
Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic.

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Wes (N7WS)

Re: K3S - APF/RTTY question

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I find HRD overly complicated so I don't use it, and cannot speak to how to set
it up.

I use a variant of MMTTY that is designed to interface with DXBase, my logging
program. MMTTY would be setup the same.

I use AFSK A and low tones, 915 Hz, and set up MMTTY accordingly. Make sure
whatever decoder you use is set to TX and RX using whatever tones you set the K3 to.

Turn off the dual filter, it's mostly useless and set your RX bandwidth to 400
Hz. Some folks want to use narrower BW, but there is little, if anything, to be
gained by this.

Worry about decoding the DX station. You don't care what the other guys are
sending. and trying to tune them to decode them is unnecessary. Here is where a
P3 or other bandscope shines over a second RX, all IMHO of course.

Wes N7WS 242 DXCC countries on RTTY all worked with a K3.

On 9/24/2015 9:35 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and was
> struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully understand how to
> get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At one point the K3S
> appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would sometimes see his call
> and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he was calling and didn't
> consistently copy. I was never able to get HRD to copy any of it. I was in
> Data mode and the CWT did show split tuning but I struggled to get the right
> most set of bars to stay filled even after playing with the width/filter..
>
>
>
> I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several websites on
> setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good guide on the K3/S
> with/without HRD on RTTY?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jerry Moore
>
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>
> An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
> Patriotic.
>
>
>
>
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3S - APF/RTTY question

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Jer,

Which DATA sub-mode were you in? For RTTY, you would normally be in
AFSK A and then you could activate the dual tone filter. I believe most
use MMTTY for RTTY, but HRD/DM780, Fldigi and other waterfall oriented
software can work as well.
In AFSK A (or FSK D) the K3 is in LSB (normal for RTTY) unless you
activate REV, and the K3 dial frequency is the mark frequency. Make
certain that the mark frequency and rate in the K3 menu agree with your
software application settings.

Other soundcard data modes normally use DATA A where USB is the normal
sideband.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2015 12:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

ae4pb

Re: K3S - APF/RTTY question

If I understand the question I'm in data AFSK A 45wpm, connected to HRD
DM780, I can hear the RTTY on both the radio and computer, I think I have
the radio tuned correctly because the Text is about 70-80% correct, I'm
seeing callsign and report most of the time. Computer shows no data, I've
done 45 FSK, 45 AFSK , both reverse, I'm not sure what I'm transmitting when
I try that as I can't hear it. I found the APF button, it was hidden right
in front of me :)

I did notice at first that I did NOT have RTTY audio at the computer.
There's a bug in the audio device settings where changing the sample rate
"fixes" it. Now I have RTTY audio but still no text..

On my earlier concern about possibly damaging something when connecting USB
and RS232: I opened up and removed all of the I/O boards, they all passed
the visual and sniff test, main board top and bottom pass visual and pass
sniff test. I have noticed that my Mag Loop controller is acting funny so
maybe I'll get lucky and that is it.

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and
Patriotic.

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From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:41 PM
To: [hidden email]; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

Jer,

Which DATA sub-mode were you in? For RTTY, you would normally be in AFSK A
and then you could activate the dual tone filter. I believe most use MMTTY
for RTTY, but HRD/DM780, Fldigi and other waterfall oriented software can
work as well.
In AFSK A (or FSK D) the K3 is in LSB (normal for RTTY) unless you activate
REV, and the K3 dial frequency is the mark frequency. Make certain that the
mark frequency and rate in the K3 menu agree with your software application
settings.

Other soundcard data modes normally use DATA A where USB is the normal
sideband.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2015 12:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and
> was struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully
> understand how to get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At
> one point the K3S appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would
> sometimes see his call and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he
> was calling and didn't consistently copy. I was never able to get HRD
> to copy any of it. I was in Data mode and the CWT did show split
> tuning but I struggled to get the right most set of bars to stay filled
even after playing with the width/filter..

>
>
>
> I'm sure this is just a learning process and I've tried several
> websites on setting up for RTTY with no success. Anyone have a good
> guide on the K3/S with/without HRD on RTTY?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jerry Moore
>
> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
>
> An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced,
> and Patriotic.
>
>
>
>
>
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ae4pb

Re: K3S - APF/RTTY question

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I think I got it working. I changed the K3S Settings to 915 - 170 and
HRD/DM780 started decoding correctly. I was able to work N3P successfully
..TYTYTYTY...
What threw me off was that the K3S was decoding correctly anytime I had the
tuning close but I wasn't getting anything (not even garbage) on the
computer. I'm about ready to wipe Windows 10 and go back to win 7. Actually
with the way I operate I could almost ONLY use the laptop for logging and do
the rest by ear or at the K3!

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:41 PM
To: [hidden email]; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - APF/RTTY question

Jer,

Which DATA sub-mode were you in? For RTTY, you would normally be in AFSK A
and then you could activate the dual tone filter. I believe most use MMTTY
for RTTY, but HRD/DM780, Fldigi and other waterfall oriented software can
work as well.
In AFSK A (or FSK D) the K3 is in LSB (normal for RTTY) unless you activate
REV, and the K3 dial frequency is the mark frequency. Make certain that the
mark frequency and rate in the K3 menu agree with your software application
settings.

Other soundcard data modes normally use DATA A where USB is the normal
sideband.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2015 12:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> I was trying to work K3P on 80m RTTY last night (new mode for me) and
> was struggling to understand the owner's manual. I don't fully
> understand how to get the dual APF to display correctly and setup. At
> one point the K3S appeared be decoding correctly sometimes as I would
> sometimes see his call and 599. I rarely saw the correct station he
> was calling and didn't consistently copy. I was never able to get HRD
> to copy any of it. I was in Data mode and the CWT did show split
> tuning but I struggled to get the right most set of bars to stay filled
even after playing with the width/filter..

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